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Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Homeschoolers
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DealMonkey
Lifer
I'm a firm believer that anyone who chooses to home-school, needs to possess a bachelor's degree at minimum, preferably in education. Parents who meet that requirement, can go before a state board and become credentialed/certified to home-school.
BoberFett
Lifer
You sound bitter. Mad at your dad for touching you?
highland145
Lifer
freedom doesn't allow indoctrination.
Good thing I'm not a liberal.
Though it is great to see all the "toe the line" conservatives jumping in lockstep.
Modelworks
Lifer
Why a bachelor's degree ?
I had teachers in high school that were about as poor at teaching as it gets. One I had would walk in the room , write the pages he wanted us to study on the board, tell us to read those and come to him if we have any questions , then he would sit at his desk leaned back in his chair half asleep.
If you can read then you can teach reading, same for basic math and other subjects. The problem is the trend of schools not teaching people the fundamentals has gone on for so long that now those kids that made it through school not learning have become parents themselves. Home schooling can work but only if the parent is a real parent. Working all the time and making excuses like I need to work to pay the bills while never spending time with the kids isn't being a parent, that is being an owner. They are no different than someone who has no kids and a dog or cat. They give it a place to live and feed it and say hi to it when they are home.
BoberFett
Lifer
You mean public schools? Many would agree.
BoberFett
Lifer
Good thing I'm not a conservative.
You, well you're just an asshole the world would be better without.
highland145
Lifer
Yep.
werepossum
Elite Member
ROFLOL Or for Dad not allowing Government to touch him?
Good old compassionate conservatives: If you disagree with them, you should die.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Having standards is a good thing.
JSt0rm
Lifer
depends on the family...
I know 2 families that homeschool their 5 total kids together. Those kids will be your boss one day as the families are very intelligent and highly successful in your capitalistic world oh and they are artists. There is no negative in those children's lives.
Blackjack200
Lifer
This always seemed ideal to me. Hook up with another family, or even better yet, a couple other families that also want to homeschool their kids, and split the duties. Helps with the socializing, improves the learning experience etc.
Apple Of Sodom
Golden Member
I was home schooled from mid-grade school through high school. We did have a local program that helped with cirriculum as well as social gatherings.
I had plenty of friends, from both homeschool (most were actually like me, i.e. homeschooled for education reasons, not for stupid religious reasons) as well as all of the public schools. I went to a few different proms/balls and dated public school girls... I also got a job when I was 14.
I learned what everyone else learns - math, social studies, etc. I also learned english as though it were a second language (the same way someone would learn spanish) and this has helped me out tremendously.
I learned that you can do 8 hours of public school work in about 2 hours of homeschool work. I learned that I have to get my own work done because there was no teacher (aside from parents) breathing down my neck to do this or do that. That served me well in college because in college your professors do not care if you do the work and if you get an F, so be it.
I know so many people that were taught to procrastinate and I'm one of few people who were taught that you can do your work well and in a timely manner and be rewarded for it...
Homeschooling is not for every parent and not for every student. I think that parents and children should have to pass a test of sorts in order to enter into homeschooling. I've met plenty of people who homeschooled their children and did not teach them a damn thing. They were not active in the education process.
Cliffs:
1) I was homeschooled from an early age and had more social life than most publicly schooled children. I am incredibly outgoing and social.
2) I was taught fundamentals in highschool and also took college courses. I was taught english properly, as if it were a second language, and learned how to diagram a sentence, all about pronouns, infinitives, etc. I learned how to balance a check book.
3) My time was spent learning and focusing on my weak spots, not trying to teach a kid math I already knew or spending hours each day in useless classes/activites.
4) Most importantly, I learned to work on my own and that I am responsible for my ambition and success (well, luck does play a role in all of our success stories, right?)
5) Parents MUST care about their child's education, and the child MUST be motivated enough to work on their courses. Parents need to realize that homeschooling is a job for them as well, just as my mother did. She sat in our classroom at home for a few hours a day, helping us and making lesson plans.
I had plenty of friends, from both homeschool (most were actually like me, i.e. homeschooled for education reasons, not for stupid religious reasons) as well as all of the public schools. I went to a few different proms/balls and dated public school girls... I also got a job when I was 14.
I learned what everyone else learns - math, social studies, etc. I also learned english as though it were a second language (the same way someone would learn spanish) and this has helped me out tremendously.
I learned that you can do 8 hours of public school work in about 2 hours of homeschool work. I learned that I have to get my own work done because there was no teacher (aside from parents) breathing down my neck to do this or do that. That served me well in college because in college your professors do not care if you do the work and if you get an F, so be it.
I know so many people that were taught to procrastinate and I'm one of few people who were taught that you can do your work well and in a timely manner and be rewarded for it...
Homeschooling is not for every parent and not for every student. I think that parents and children should have to pass a test of sorts in order to enter into homeschooling. I've met plenty of people who homeschooled their children and did not teach them a damn thing. They were not active in the education process.
Cliffs:
1) I was homeschooled from an early age and had more social life than most publicly schooled children. I am incredibly outgoing and social.
2) I was taught fundamentals in highschool and also took college courses. I was taught english properly, as if it were a second language, and learned how to diagram a sentence, all about pronouns, infinitives, etc. I learned how to balance a check book.
3) My time was spent learning and focusing on my weak spots, not trying to teach a kid math I already knew or spending hours each day in useless classes/activites.
4) Most importantly, I learned to work on my own and that I am responsible for my ambition and success (well, luck does play a role in all of our success stories, right?)
5) Parents MUST care about their child's education, and the child MUST be motivated enough to work on their courses. Parents need to realize that homeschooling is a job for them as well, just as my mother did. She sat in our classroom at home for a few hours a day, helping us and making lesson plans.
StageLeft
No Lifer
Demonstrably wrong. Statistically incorrect, really.
I doubt that, but it's immaterial anyway; statistically the average home school kid does better after high school than the non-home schooled kid.
I alluded to this. There are more correlational stats than causal, which is why despite my knowledge that home school kids do generally have superior results to public, we are still at least for now going the public route because there are other factors at play.
I wonder how many of us realize that most kids receive some home schooling anyway. Who here was read to by their parents? Or asked to rehearse the alphabet or practice their numbers? I was, my wife was, our kids are. As such we all have been above our peers at various levels, presumably because of many of them received no such attention while at home.
That's fine, but you do care enough to post in this thread and I feel you should be receptive to the corrective information you're received on the topic.
BTW I know a couple of homeschooling families and know about those they deal with. All are devoutly Christian. I have no doubt that some of these will be over the top sheltered and whacky, perfectly fitting into the stereotypical hole. I'm sure many won't be, though.
Good point. Many of us don't need to be homeschooled to be socially inept, we can learn that quite well around peers, thank you very much 🙂
You cannot possibly hold that opinion after actually learning about homeschooling to any significant degree.
Apple Of Sodom
Golden Member
One other thing. In my experience it is the ultra-religious folks that churn out weird homeschooled children. They usually homeschool for the wrong reasons (e.g. "they are telling the kids about evolution!") and don't really want to pull the kids out for educational reasons but for religious reasons.
These are the people who won't vaccinate their kids and only allow them to socialize in like-minded groups. These are the kids who grow up thinking Jesus will see them through everything and that prayer is the answer to ALL of their problems. They aren't well adjusted socially because they don't have any interaction with people outside of their cookie-cutter group.
Some had smart, well educated kids. Many others didn't care about teaching their kids. They thought labeling them as "home schooled" somehow made their kids automatically smart and did nothing beyond giving them a few books.
These are the people who won't vaccinate their kids and only allow them to socialize in like-minded groups. These are the kids who grow up thinking Jesus will see them through everything and that prayer is the answer to ALL of their problems. They aren't well adjusted socially because they don't have any interaction with people outside of their cookie-cutter group.
Some had smart, well educated kids. Many others didn't care about teaching their kids. They thought labeling them as "home schooled" somehow made their kids automatically smart and did nothing beyond giving them a few books.
JSt0rm
Lifer
the public school system is such shit that homeschooling while not ideal in some cases is far far better then the alternative.
Apple Of Sodom
Golden Member
I'm not so sure... given the average parent who doesn't give a shit about their child's education to begin with I don't think that they will do much better than public school. Public education is better than no education.
A parent plays a much bigger roll in their child's education, even if they attend public school, than they think. Parents too often give their children autonomy. Kids need to be read to and encouraged to do well. Parents need to be active in the education process, ensuring classes are taken seriously and homework is done.
The parents who take part in their child's education, whether home or public, will see their children do well. Ironically, these are the type of people who could successfully home school their kids but would see the least amount of gain overall. The shit parents who don't care about education, who treat their kids as mini-adults, blame the public schools for their kids failure and want to home school, but these are the ones who shouldn't be doing it.
This happens frequently in homeschooling groups, which themselves are quite common. When ours were homeschooled, various parents volunteered to teach specialized subjects to the group, and we parents occasionally pooled our money to hire tutors. For example, we all hired a spanish tutor, and our kids received private instruction in spanish at the elementary school level. Spanish wasn't even offered in the local public schools for that same age group.
BoberFett
Lifer
BoberFett
Lifer
Do you really think parents who don't care about their child's education are the same people who are home schooling?
JSt0rm
Lifer
exactly. I forgot to mention one of the mothers WAS a teacher.
Apple Of Sodom
Golden Member
In some cases, yes. I've seen it. I didn't heard about it second hand, but seen it several times. One of the families we were close to (my father's co-worker) homeschooled their kids. They had no structure and spent all day doing chores around the house. Today they are all a bunch of half-wit losers. I think one is in jail actually. This is an example of religious idiots homeschooling their kids for no real reason and not actively teaching them.
They think it is the solution. Here is the logic:
1) Public school is terrible (usually for ideological reasons or parroting something they heard)
2) Home schoolers are supposed to be smarter
3) Therefore, if my kids are homeschooled then they will be smart
Then they pull their kids and don't teach them. They don't make lesson plans, have class time, check work, or dedicate any additional effort to attending to their child's education. It is as though they believe a label alone makes the kids smart.
What I'm saying is that if you are ACTIVELY involved in your child's education then public schools won't be so bad for them. Home schooling would be preffered, but those kids in public school who aren't learning or whose parents don't care are beyond hope and home schooling them will not help them. It isn't some magic bullet.
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