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vanln

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: vanln
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: vanln
I see the economic is lifted up by republican . They support Bush that is why they had to lift it
Handle a war , republican is always better . It make non sence for democratic believe John Kerry can handle Iraq . Believe me, we spend billion dollars on the war, we will not walk away with 2 empty hands. We must establish Iraq ASAP and rebuild Iraq. Smell money isn't it ? But that is reality to push up economie for our country. If you think about that , you know why people vote for Bush for now. Year 2008 , I will vote for democratic . I keep thinking why democratic sent out a weak candidate like John Kerry to run for president. But the reason behind, who know ? May be they want Republican win 4 more year
Did we ever decide whether English was not your first language or if you were simply educated in Mississippi public schools? :D
I don't know but we did vote that your brain never grown
Ahh.. I see - it was choice number 3 all along.

[ ] 1) English not first language
[ ] 2) Educated via Mississippi Pulbic School System
[x] 3) Semi-retarded 11-year-old using parent's PC without permission

Cheers! :beer:

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OK OK this is becoming unproductive now.
lets try at least to keep it civil one of the great things about atot and other forums is you get the opportunity to meet and share ideas with many different types and races of people
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I think room mod need to take oldman420 advice. Something is unproductive. Usually we dump it in the trash . We should let room mod take care his job
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: vanln

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Quote from oldman420
OK OK this is becoming unproductive now.
lets try at least to keep it civil one of the great things about atot and other forums is you get the opportunity to meet and share ideas with many different types and races of people
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I think room mod need to take oldman420 advice. Something is unproductive. Usually we dump it in the trash . We should let room mod take care his job

I was actually asking a serious question. I, as well as many others, have frequently expressed that it is near-impossible to understand what you are talking about, as your command of the English language is rather sub-par. If English is not your first language, then it might prove to be worthwhile for us to attempt to understand you and gain insights from a non-native, and perhaps help you along with your understanding of the language. Otherwise, we can just assume that you are not a foreign language-speaking individual and simply have little to no respect for the English that you are butchering into an unintelligible mess. In that case, we can simply mark your posts as appropriate and move on.

My apologies to the parties interested in this topic who have had to wade through these OT posts.
 

conjur

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FWIW, vanln is apparently a troll from Vietnam whose English is sub-par. He's trolled here before, although not quite as effectively as others have.
 

vanln

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To:Ckgunslinger
To be honest with you. I think the mouth is your best friend. If you don't understand , don't hesitate to ask what is the meaning . If you communicate with a person. If you don't get the message clearly. Don't blame the person who pass the message. Blame yourself

To Conjur:
You got that right accept the word"troll". Effective or not? Indeep you know better than anyone else . That is why you use the word troll . Your word betray you . I got that right or not?
 

oldman420

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hey vanln it may help you to use some third party spelling checker.I have gotten yelled at frequently for my poor spelling and punctuation.
i use a spell check before every post and that has helped some, I still get the "hey old man heres a "," and a "." line and that kinda stings but i just try to be patient and correct my mistakes.
regarding your comment to ckgunslinger, remember communication is a two way street and if we communicate something to someone they are right to get clarification, if they do not understand you you have the responsibility to help them understand, as you initiated the communication in the first place. Also given the fact that you posted to a highly charged forum it is much more likely that people will yell at you.
keep in mind that if you were to meet these people in the real world they would be polite and pleasant. The Internet gives us the ability to really speak our minds so folks who would in reality are very nice and polite will at times become impolite and rude.

And will somebody please set the record straight on what a troll is and does so we can get back to the meat of this discussion?
thank you all

edit: I now know what a troll is and do not consider vanln to be one IMHO
 

chowderhead

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GWB is the serial flip-flopper and on issues that are vital
Both Candidates Often Shift Positions

some of the low-lights:

_He opposed a Homeland Security Department, then embraced it.

_He opposed creation of an independent Sept. 11 commission, then supported it. He first refused to speak to its members, then agreed only if Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) came with him.

_Bush argued for free trade, then imposed three-year tariffs on steel imports in 2002, only to withdraw them after 21 months.

_Last month, he said he doubted the war on terror could be won, then reversed himself to say it could and would.

_A week after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Bush said he wanted Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) "dead or alive." But he told reporters six months later, "I truly am not that concerned about him." He did not mention bin Laden in his hour-long convention acceptance speech.


"I'm a war president," Bush told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Feb. 8. But in a July 20 speech in Iowa, he said: "Nobody wants to be the war president. I want to be the peace president."

Bush keeps revising his Iraq war rationale: The need to seize Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s weapons of mass destruction until none were found; liberating the Iraqi people from a brutal dictator; fighting terrorists in Iraq not at home; spreading democracy throughout the Middle East. Now it's a safer America and a safer world.

Let us not forget that GWB THREATENED to VETO the 87 billion dollar funding bill for Iraq if part of it was made into a loan. In other words, if we had paid for the bill instead of asking our children and grandchildren to pay for it in terms of DEBT, GWB would have VETOED it. GWB is the biggest borrow and spending republican in the history of the world. :thumbsdown:

The liberal media is once again giving GWB the free pass. Kerry is the flip-flopper but we all know GWB is decisive and says what he means - yeah right just wait a day ... :disgust:
 

Darkhawk28

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Our foreign policy is swiss cheese and illconceived.

Our domestic policy has been ignored at best and atrocious at a little better.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Our foreign policy is swiss cheese and illconceived.

Our domestic policy has been ignored at best and atrocious at a little better.

Today's NY Times has an editorial that hits the nail on the head:
Preventive War: A Failed Doctrine
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/opinion/12sun1.html
If facts mattered in American politics, the Bush-Cheney ticket would not be basing its re-election campaign on the fear-mongering contention that the surest defense against future terrorist attacks lies in the badly discredited doctrine of preventive war. Vice President Dick Cheney took this argument to a disgraceful low last week when he implied that electing John Kerry and returning to traditional American foreign policy values would invite a devastating new strike.

So far, the preventive war doctrine has had one real test: the invasion of Iraq. Mr. Bush terrified millions of Americans into believing that forcibly changing the regime in Baghdad was the only way to keep Iraq's supposed stockpiles of unconventional weapons out of the hands of Al Qaeda. Then it turned out that there were no stockpiles and no operational links between Saddam Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda's anti-American terrorism. Meanwhile, America's longstanding defensive alliances were weakened and the bulk of America's ground combat troops tied down in Iraq for what now appears to be many years to come. If that is making this country safer, it is hard to see how. The real lesson is that America dangerously erodes its military and diplomatic defenses when it charges off unwisely after hypothetical enemies.

Before the Iraq fiasco, American leaders rightly viewed war as a last resort, appropriate only when the nation's vital interests were actively threatened and reasonable diplomatic efforts had been exhausted. That view always left room for pre-emptive attacks; America is under no obligation to sit and wait, if it is clear that some enemy is actually preparing to strike first. But it correctly drew the line at preventive wars against potential foes who might, or might not, be thinking about doing something dangerous. As the administration's disastrous experience in Iraq amply demonstrates, that is still the wisest course and the one that keeps America most secure in an increasingly dangerous era.

The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, plainly ushered in a new era of catastrophic threats to the American homeland. If these are to be met effectively, major changes in national security policy will be required. But a shift toward preventive wars is not one of them. As the 9/11 commission report clearly established, international terrorist groups like Al Qaeda are highly mobile, self-financing and largely independent of traditional states. Governments that grant them sanctuary and facilities, like Afghanistan under the Taliban or Sudan, must face strong international pressure, including American military attack. Any attempt by the president and his surrogates to lump the invasion of Afghanistan into the category of preventive wars is plain wrong. In fact, the war in Iraq has undermined the important work that American forces are doing in Afghanistan by diverting soldiers, supplies and money.

Al Qaeda has already declared war on the United States, and America needs to fight back relentlessly - in Afghanistan and through international efforts to capture terrorist leaders who function with forged passports and visas, safe houses and sleeper cells. That is why Mr. Cheney is also wrong to disparage law-enforcement cooperation with allies as an important weapon in this war.

Instead, he promises more preventive, offensive wars against hypothetical dangers like Iraq. Besides estranging America from its main European and Asian allies, and leaving Washington looking like an aggressor to much of the Arab and Muslim world, these policies kill American soldiers and civilians in the countries attacked, and they threaten to tie down the Army and Marine divisions America needs to have available for responding to real threats in the dangerous decades ahead.
 

hysperion

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Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry would bring:

Fiscal responsibility
Diplomacy (Restoring relations with a real foreign policy)
Supporting civil rights
Permanent tax breaks for families earning under $200,000
Increased tax credits for college tuition (I like this one...have a child entering college in a couple of years)
Increased protection of our borders, ports, and chemical/nuclear plants

Kerry would toss aside:

Ideologues
Chickenhawks

-If you consider the second amendment part of your civil rights then you're wrong on that one.....

-Bush had taxes for everyone including those making under 200k but I guess your part of the group that the rich should pay a higher percentage then you because their rich.....Personally I think inherited wealth should be very heavily taxed but other then that it should be even across the board......

-Again why should other people pay for your kid's college education?

-Increased protection of our borders? Wouldn't this require spending more money? How can we pay for this and still have a tax cut? O ya...just tax the rich more they don't need their money and its ok they disproportionately pay taxes already....

And personally I dislike Bush and won't be voting for him......but I'm not going to vote for Kerry either.....at least we know Bush is being honest about one thing- that being that he is for the wealthy....Unlike Kerry who wants us to believe that the rich white elitest that he is- is for the poor minorities and working class americans....guess that didn't stop heinz from sending all those jobs out of the U.S. Bush-Kerry....Whoever Wins- We lose!