Give me a reason to get a Phenom 9600...

[batmang]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Me having own a phenom rig wishes you the best of luck.

I also hope you have a return capability on that.

As i said, i wasnt very happy playing with one, after playing with 5 kentfields. :T

Hah, I wouldn't blame you for not liking the Phenoms after having a q6600. I know just like the Intel guys know, the Q6600 out performs the Phenoms. My main goal is not overclocking and all that stuff. I'm more focused on having a solid platform that I will keep for at least a couple years. The Spider platform seemed to have exactly what I was looking for, and I'm quite pleased with it.

 

[NamelessMC]

If the 3850 played nice with OSX86, I would own one and that would be my way of donating to AMD. Otherwise, as far as my processor goes, Intel has me like a first boy's girlfriend.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Me having own a phenom rig wishes you the best of luck.

I also hope you have a return capability on that.

As i said, i wasnt very happy playing with one, after playing with 5 kentfields. :T

Hah, I wouldn't blame you for not liking the Phenoms after having a q6600. I know just like the Intel guys know, the Q6600 out performs the Phenoms. My main goal is not overclocking and all that stuff. I'm more focused on having a solid platform that I will keep for at least a couple years. The Spider platform seemed to have exactly what I was looking for, and I'm quite pleased with it.

personally i didnt care about the perfomance.

i was in it for the fun. But it wasnt fun. It was more like impossible.


If it would only hold 3.2-3.4ghz or so. i would of kept it and watercooled it. BUT 2.8ghz was asking too much on it even.

 

[v8envy]

You know you're spoiled when you consider 3 ghz an 'underclock.' My two Intel rigs are giving me the OC fever bigtime. =) 3 ghz on the 2180 in the DVR (passed 24 hour prime95 at stock volts & cooling, had 0 problems at 3.33ghz!). Time to see why my Xeon 3210 is crashy at 3.2ghz.

Good to hear that your build went problem free, batmang. Keep us informed.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: v8envy
You know you're spoiled when you consider 3 ghz an 'underclock.' My two Intel rigs are giving me the OC fever bigtime. =) 3 ghz on the 2180 in the DVR (passed 24 hour prime95 at stock volts & cooling, had 0 problems at 3.33ghz!). Time to see why my Xeon 3210 is crashy at 3.2ghz.

Good to hear that your build went problem free, batmang. Keep us informed.

Thanks, will do.

 

[perdomot]

batmang,
How's the day-to-day performance of the spider rig? I mean stuff like web surfing, opening files/folders, video playback. Always got the feeling the amd's onboard memory controller gave the system a more responsive feel on daily stuff where as intel would dominate on stuff like encoding. Also curious on the stability of the rig.

 

[Techno Pride]

Finding user reviews on AM2+ motherboards is about as hard as finding reviews of those early LGA775 i915/925 motherboards. Gigabyte P35 mobo opinions greatly outnumber AM2+ mobo opinions, just like how Asus A8N-SLI opinions outnumbered LGA775 ones back in the S939 days.

Not-so-great processor makes mobo manufacturers less willing to work on new mobos. Lack of mobo variety makes the entire platform even less attractive.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Me having own a phenom rig wishes you the best of luck.

I also hope you have a return capability on that.

As i said, i wasnt very happy playing with one, after playing with 5 kentfields. :T

Hah, I wouldn't blame you for not liking the Phenoms after having a q6600. I know just like the Intel guys know, the Q6600 out performs the Phenoms. My main goal is not overclocking and all that stuff. I'm more focused on having a solid platform that I will keep for at least a couple years. The Spider platform seemed to have exactly what I was looking for, and I'm quite pleased with it.

personally i didnt care about the perfomance.

i was in it for the fun. But it wasnt fun. It was more like impossible.


If it would only hold 3.2-3.4ghz or so. i would of kept it and watercooled it. BUT 2.8ghz was asking too much on it even.

Hehe... not a good sign for AMD when the only portion of the enthusiest market that cares about your product is the portion that doesn't care about performance, it's the portion who just wants to build a rig for fun that buys your products. I'm pretty sure that's a small sliver of that market.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Me having own a phenom rig wishes you the best of luck.

I also hope you have a return capability on that.

As i said, i wasnt very happy playing with one, after playing with 5 kentfields. :T

Hah, I wouldn't blame you for not liking the Phenoms after having a q6600. I know just like the Intel guys know, the Q6600 out performs the Phenoms. My main goal is not overclocking and all that stuff. I'm more focused on having a solid platform that I will keep for at least a couple years. The Spider platform seemed to have exactly what I was looking for, and I'm quite pleased with it.

And the Q6600 is NOT a solid platform and will NOT keep for a couple of years? its faster so it will keep longer, and there is no TLB so its more solid. It will also OC better if that is what you are referring to to. The "platform" here provides only ONE benefit, the AMD OC utility, but even with it the OC on the phenom is pathetic compared to anything else (that is, compared to the AMD X2 processors and ANY intel processor).

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Me having own a phenom rig wishes you the best of luck.

I also hope you have a return capability on that.

As i said, i wasnt very happy playing with one, after playing with 5 kentfields. :T

Hah, I wouldn't blame you for not liking the Phenoms after having a q6600. I know just like the Intel guys know, the Q6600 out performs the Phenoms. My main goal is not overclocking and all that stuff. I'm more focused on having a solid platform that I will keep for at least a couple years. The Spider platform seemed to have exactly what I was looking for[/i], and I'm quite pleased with it.

And the Q6600 is NOT a solid platform and will NOT keep for a couple of years? its faster so it will keep longer, and there is no TLB so its more solid. It will also OC better if that is what you are referring to to. The "platform" here provides only ONE benefit, the AMD OC utility, but even with it the OC on the phenom is pathetic compared to anything else (that is, compared to the AMD X2 processors and ANY intel processor).

See bold and underlined. I love AMD. I'm a fool for not going with a Intel and NVidia machine? 95% of you guys will say YES. But the other 5% will respect what AMD is doing. I'm not denying that the Q6600 is an awesome CPU, I never said it wasn't and I never said it didn't out perform the Phenom's. I clearly said it did and will until AMD releases something ground breaking. TLB fix/patch? 95% of the people who use the Phenoms will not run into problems. People running VMWare/Virtualization will. I'm all about the underdogs and experiencing new things. I like that my machine is the underdog, that people frown upon it and think " what a friggin idiot. ". Think what you want, its my money and my decision. I like what AMD is doing and I've always liked ATi's cards better. The quality really does seem better to me. And thats all that matters.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: v8envy
You know you're spoiled when you consider 3 ghz an 'underclock.' My two Intel rigs are giving me the OC fever bigtime. =) 3 ghz on the 2180 in the DVR (passed 24 hour prime95 at stock volts & cooling, had 0 problems at 3.33ghz!). Time to see why my Xeon 3210 is crashy at 3.2ghz.

Good to hear that your build went problem free, batmang. Keep us informed.

I couldn;t get my X3210 stable over 3 ghz ! And it runs hotter than my Q6600's, even at a lower vcore ! And more vcore, just makes the heat go sky high, no more speed.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

I couldn;t get my X3210 stable over 3 ghz ! And it runs hotter than my Q6600's, even at a lower vcore ! And more vcore, just makes the heat go sky high, no more speed.

Ah well, looks like the two of us got runts of the litter. I spent a few hours this weekend tweaking this and that, and the end result is I'm going to leave the X3210 at 8x333 at stock volts and cooling. Massive bummer. 373x8 was as high as I could get running prime95 for an hour or so (didn't bother with a 24h test), but I didn't like pushing the voltage to 1.415v in bios nor the 65C temperatures I saw. I was pretty sloppy on finding my processor's FSB wall but I'm pretty sure it's right around 373 plus or minus a few mhz.

With those kinds of results I could have just bought a Phenom (except that I need to run vmware).

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Markfw900

I couldn;t get my X3210 stable over 3 ghz ! And it runs hotter than my Q6600's, even at a lower vcore ! And more vcore, just makes the heat go sky high, no more speed.

Ah well, looks like the two of us got runts of the litter. I spent a few hours this weekend tweaking this and that, and the end result is I'm going to leave the X3210 at 8x333 at stock volts and cooling. Massive bummer. 373x8 was as high as I could get running prime95 for an hour or so (didn't bother with a 24h test), but I didn't like pushing the voltage to 1.415v in bios nor the 65C temperatures I saw. I was pretty sloppy on finding my processor's FSB wall but I'm pretty sure it's right around 373 plus or minus a few mhz.

With those kinds of results I could have just bought a Phenom (except that I need to run vmware).

Hah!

 

[piasabird]

You are an AMD Fanboy and you like to waste your money.

 

[mooseracing]

I have yet to see how its wasting money. In the end Intel needs competitors or else it's going to cost us all more.

 

[Extelleron]

I'm not ready to upgrade to Phenom yet, but I'll probably do so when the B3 chips come in April (latest rumors say 9550-9750 will be released in April) as long as they are better than the B2 chips in overclocking. I'm hoping that Intel's price cut on the Q6600 to $225 will push down prices and I could buy a 9650 or 9750 for $200~.

AMD might be a bit slower and Intel a better option overall, but something brings me back to AMD all the time. Core 2 Quad just doesn't excite me like Phenom does, even if Phenom is slower, hotter, and overclocks less. I would get more satisfaction from pushing a Phenom to 3GHz than a Q6600 to 3.6GHz. It seems that one of the limiting factors on current Phenoms is that the 3rd core (Core 2) is very bad on most CPUs and sometimes is not stable at stock. If this is fixed in the B3 revision, then I think most Phenoms should be capable of near 3GHz.

 

[batmang]

I was planning to play with the overclocking more when I have a better heatsink fan combo. 200mhz seems to be the most stable oc for people with stock heatsink and fan's. I'm saving for my second 3870 and once I get that I will get a better air cooler. All I really want to get is 2.6, so a measly 100MHz more. Water is pretty much required if 3.0 is the goal.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Markfw900

I couldn;t get my X3210 stable over 3 ghz ! And it runs hotter than my Q6600's, even at a lower vcore ! And more vcore, just makes the heat go sky high, no more speed.

Ah well, looks like the two of us got runts of the litter. I spent a few hours this weekend tweaking this and that, and the end result is I'm going to leave the X3210 at 8x333 at stock volts and cooling. Massive bummer. 373x8 was as high as I could get running prime95 for an hour or so (didn't bother with a 24h test), but I didn't like pushing the voltage to 1.415v in bios nor the 65C temperatures I saw. I was pretty sloppy on finding my processor's FSB wall but I'm pretty sure it's right around 373 plus or minus a few mhz.

With those kinds of results I could have just bought a Phenom (except that I need to run vmware).

Hah!

Except I have yet to see a Phemon close to 3 ghz.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: batmang
See bold and underlined. I love AMD. I'm a fool for not going with a Intel and NVidia machine? 95% of you guys will say YES. But the other 5% will respect what AMD is doing. I'm not denying that the Q6600 is an awesome CPU, I never said it wasn't and I never said it didn't out perform the Phenom's. I clearly said it did and will until AMD releases something ground breaking. TLB fix/patch? 95% of the people who use the Phenoms will not run into problems. People running VMWare/Virtualization will. I'm all about the underdogs and experiencing new things. I like that my machine is the underdog, that people frown upon it and think " what a friggin idiot. ". Think what you want, its my money and my decision. I like what AMD is doing and I've always liked ATi's cards better. The quality really does seem better to me. And thats all that matters.

I think the succinct version would be 'I'm an AMD fanboy'.

No offence.

 

[nerp]

Quad for under $1000 is pretty sweet if you ask me and it's not like he built some Packard Bell. Once some new steppings are out and DDR3 is cheaper I'll probably go with Phenom.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: v8envy
You know you're spoiled when you consider 3 ghz an 'underclock.' My two Intel rigs are giving me the OC fever bigtime. =) 3 ghz on the 2180 in the DVR (passed 24 hour prime95 at stock volts & cooling, had 0 problems at 3.33ghz!). Time to see why my Xeon 3210 is crashy at 3.2ghz.

Good to hear that your build went problem free, batmang. Keep us informed.

I couldn;t get my X3210 stable over 3 ghz ! And it runs hotter than my Q6600's, even at a lower vcore ! And more vcore, just makes the heat go sky high, no more speed.

Wasnt that a B3 though?

The G0s are much much better.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: nerp
Quad for under $1000 is pretty sweet if you ask me and it's not like he built some Packard Bell. Once some new steppings are out and DDR3 is cheaper I'll probably go with Phenom.

Word.

As for me being a Fanboy... not true at all. I'm just going with my gut thats all. I like what AMD is doing, so I went with AMD this time around. I've built plenty of Intel machines so I'm not one sided by any means. I jumped on the 2.4C bandwagon and was running it at 3.2Ghz for well over a year, I absolutely loved that machine. Fanboy's bash on the oppposing competition. I know better than that. So no, I'm not a fanboy.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: v8envy
You know you're spoiled when you consider 3 ghz an 'underclock.' My two Intel rigs are giving me the OC fever bigtime. =) 3 ghz on the 2180 in the DVR (passed 24 hour prime95 at stock volts & cooling, had 0 problems at 3.33ghz!). Time to see why my Xeon 3210 is crashy at 3.2ghz.

Good to hear that your build went problem free, batmang. Keep us informed.

I couldn;t get my X3210 stable over 3 ghz ! And it runs hotter than my Q6600's, even at a lower vcore ! And more vcore, just makes the heat go sky high, no more speed.

Wasnt that a B3 though?

The G0s are much much better.

I know mine is a B3 (in sig) not sure about his. And my own personal results verify, G0's take less vcore, run cooler(10c), and OC better (200-300 mhz)

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: nerp
Quad for under $1000 is pretty sweet if you ask me and it's not like he built some Packard Bell. Once some new steppings are out and DDR3 is cheaper I'll probably go with Phenom.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115018

Q6600 quad core 2.4ghz and faster per clock then the phenom... 259$ (including shipping)
The cheapest phenom is what...
The 2.2 ghz phenom is 199$ at the egg and the 2.3ghz is 239$

Keep in mind that this is just the first result I found on gouge egg. So I haven't looked for the best deals on each.

There is no validity to the 1000$ claim.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: nerp
Quad for under $1000 is pretty sweet if you ask me and it's not like he built some Packard Bell. Once some new steppings are out and DDR3 is cheaper I'll probably go with Phenom.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115018

Q6600 quad core 2.4ghz and faster per clock then the phenom... 259$ (including shipping)
The cheapest phenom is what...
The 2.2 ghz phenom is 199$ at the egg and the 2.3ghz is 239$

Keep in mind that this is just the first result I found on gouge egg. So I haven't looked for the best deals on each.

There is no validity to the 1000$ claim.

My build up was about $990 shipped. Everything except the hard drive. The hard drive I already had. When I bought my stuff the CPU was $224.99 and the motherboard had a combo discount of $15. The video card I paid $209 shipped from AllStarShop, was a very good deal. So yeah, it was under $1,000 for everything.

Heres what I got:
AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition - 2.3GHz (link) - Was $224.99
MSI K9A2 Platinum 790FX Motherboard (link) - Was $179.99 with $15 CPU combo discount
HEC Black case with 585w PSU (link) - Was $44.99
Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 512MB *** Was $209 SHIPPED *** Damn good deal! (link)
Samsung SATA Black DVD Burner (link) - Was $29.99
G.Skill DDRII 800MHz RAM - Four 1GB sticks (link) - Was $93.98
20" Acer AL2016WCbd LCD, free shipping FTW (link) - was $189.99 shipped