Give me a break: Windmills Take Toll on Wildlife

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Activists target site in the Bay Area where blades have killed 22,000 birds

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Now, some environmental groups that routinely supported wind power as a clean, alternative source of electric power are opposing the renewal of permits for the wind farm until steps are taken to reduce the bird deaths.

"Renewing these permits without addressing the cumulative impacts of wind energy on migratory birds, especially raptor species, will give a black eye to wind power," said Michael Boyd, president of Californians for Renewable Energy, a Santa Cruz-based organization that generally supports alternative energy sources such as wind power. Joining in the effort is the Center for Biological Diversity, a national nonprofit group known for its litigious approach to wildlife protection.
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"The county did everyone a disservice by choosing to ignore the true impacts of these turbines, which are the equivalent of a terrestrial Exxon Valdez every year," said Jeff Miller, spokesman for the Center for Biological Diversity.
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Paul Kerlinger, a New Jersey avian biologist who works regularly as an industry consultant, contends that of all the main energy sources excluding solar power, wind is the least threatening to bird life.

"When you turn on your lights you kill something, no matter what the source of electricity," said Kerlinger.

Industry officials said they felt blindsided by the recent environmental opposition at Altamont.
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Yet another "alternative" energy source getting blasted.
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These people need to realize the alternative to these windmills - either higher bills, no electricity(brown outs), or more poluting from other sources. Time for these environmentalist wackos to wake up and realize that there is no perfect energy source.

CkG
 

norcalhiker

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where do you live? do you know anything about the issue?

I do.

The windmills being targeted are old and generate very little power. I personally know one of the original designers of the project. The main issue is that they were built before much was known about windpower. So many birds die in then because they were placed in a MAJOR bird migration coridor. So if they don't generate much power, and they are killing birds, why not remove them?

Modern windfarms would not have this problem.

But any windpower is better than no windpower. Because global warming will kill all the birds anyways....
 

Piano Man

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Activists target site in the Bay Area where blades have killed 22,000 birds

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Now, some environmental groups that routinely supported wind power as a clean, alternative source of electric power are opposing the renewal of permits for the wind farm until steps are taken to reduce the bird deaths.

"Renewing these permits without addressing the cumulative impacts of wind energy on migratory birds, especially raptor species, will give a black eye to wind power," said Michael Boyd, president of Californians for Renewable Energy, a Santa Cruz-based organization that generally supports alternative energy sources such as wind power. Joining in the effort is the Center for Biological Diversity, a national nonprofit group known for its litigious approach to wildlife protection.
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"The county did everyone a disservice by choosing to ignore the true impacts of these turbines, which are the equivalent of a terrestrial Exxon Valdez every year," said Jeff Miller, spokesman for the Center for Biological Diversity.
...
Paul Kerlinger, a New Jersey avian biologist who works regularly as an industry consultant, contends that of all the main energy sources excluding solar power, wind is the least threatening to bird life.

"When you turn on your lights you kill something, no matter what the source of electricity," said Kerlinger.

Industry officials said they felt blindsided by the recent environmental opposition at Altamont.
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Yet another "alternative" energy source getting blasted.
rolleye.gif
These people need to realize the alternative to these windmills - either higher bills, no electricity(brown outs), or more poluting from other sources. Time for these environmentalist wackos to wake up and realize that there is no perfect energy source.

CkG



They should bring those babies over here in Iowa, more specifically Northwest Iowa, and let us make some bank.
 

Piano Man

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Originally posted by: norcalhiker
where do you live? do you know anything about the issue?

I do.

The windmills being targeted are old and generate very little power. I personally know one of the original designers of the project. The main issue is that they were built before much was known about windpower. So many birds die in then because they were placed in a MAJOR bird migration coridor. So if they don't generate much power, and they are killing birds, why not remove them?

Modern windfarms would not have this problem.

But any windpower is better than no windpower. Because global warming will kill all the birds anyways....


Thanks for your insight.
 

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Originally posted by: norcalhiker
where do you live? do you know anything about the issue?

I do.

The windmills being targeted are old and generate very little power. I personally know one of the original designers of the project. The main issue is that they were built before much was known about windpower. So many birds die in then because they were placed in a MAJOR bird migration coridor. So if they don't generate much power, and they are killing birds, why not remove them?

Modern windfarms would not have this problem.

But any windpower is better than no windpower. Because global warming will kill all the birds anyways....

Check my profile;) and yes I am informed on this issue of bird kills. I read up on Cali's situation when some wacko group tried to stop the Iowa wind farms because of bird kill issues. From what I read, the problem wasn't as significant as they tried to portray it as. I have been a big advocate of the wind farm that is going to be built in NW Iowa. I just find it hilarious that the enviro-wackos always find something to bitch about - this being one of them. Yes there is a point where windmills become too old to maintain and repair for the amount of energy they produce but up until that point the energy is "free" after the initial payoff.

CkG
 

Mrburns2007

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OMG, the tree huggers are never happy, somebody should tell them that there bad for the planet and it would be much better if they just jumped into the ocean so the dolphins would have something to eat.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
OMG, they are never happy, somebody should tell them that there bad for the planet and it would be much better if they just jumped into the ocean so the dolphins would have something to eat.
Yes, those migrating birds sure are hard to please. Always bitching about something . . .
 

dpm

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22,000 birds? :Q You can understand people being a bit concerned. I mean, any form of energy will have some adverse affects, but this does seem a little harsh on the birds.
I'm not registering with another online paper just to view this article - anyone want to tell me how big this windfarm is so I can get some perspective?

Anyway, the bill to clean the blades has to really cost them! ;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: dpm
22,000 birds? :Q You can understand people being a bit concerned. I mean, any form of energy will have some adverse affects, but this does seem a little harsh on the birds.
I'm not registering with another online paper just to view this article - anyone want to tell me how big this windfarm is so I can get some perspective?

Anyway, the bill to clean the blades has to really cost them! ;)

It doesn't specifically state how many years it took for those 22k birds to be killed.

"Since the phalanx of giant windmills began churning in the air above the Altamont Pass east of San Francisco Bay, an estimated 22,000 birds have died,"

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CkG
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dpm
22,000 birds? :Q You can understand people being a bit concerned. I mean, any form of energy will have some adverse affects, but this does seem a little harsh on the birds.
I'm not registering with another online paper just to view this article - anyone want to tell me how big this windfarm is so I can get some perspective?

Anyway, the bill to clean the blades has to really cost them! ;)

It doesn't specifically state how many years it took for those 22k birds to be killed.

"Since the phalanx of giant windmills began churning in the air above the Altamont Pass east of San Francisco Bay, an estimated 22,000 birds have died,"

Pictures
another pic
google pics

CkG
So what's that, a 1,000 birds a year? Sheesh the next thing you know they will want to ban cats!
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You guys would feel differently if you were a bird. :)

If we were birds our brains would be to small to feel anything more that the urge to reproduce, eat, and crap.
 

Fencer128

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Originally posted by: NesuD
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You guys would feel differently if you were a bird. :)

If we were birds our brains would be to small to feel anything more that the urge to reproduce, eat, and crap.

There are so many jokes to be had around here with a post like that :D

Careful now!

Cheers,

Andy
 

Fencer128

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
OMG, they are never happy, somebody should tell them that there bad for the planet and it would be much better if they just jumped into the ocean so the dolphins would have something to eat.

There are always two sides to every story.

Andy
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: NesuD
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You guys would feel differently if you were a bird. :)

If we were birds our brains would be to small to feel anything more that the urge to reproduce, eat, and crap.

And post to OT!

/obvious
 

kylebisme

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they should just catch them when they fall and serve them to the homeless in l.a.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dpm
22,000 birds? :Q You can understand people being a bit concerned. I mean, any form of energy will have some adverse affects, but this does seem a little harsh on the birds.
I'm not registering with another online paper just to view this article - anyone want to tell me how big this windfarm is so I can get some perspective?

Anyway, the bill to clean the blades has to really cost them! ;)

It doesn't specifically state how many years it took for those 22k birds to be killed.

"Since the phalanx of giant windmills began churning in the air above the Altamont Pass east of San Francisco Bay, an estimated 22,000 birds have died,"

Pictures
another pic
google pics

CkG
So what's that, a 1,000 birds a year? Sheesh the next thing you know they will want to ban cats!


if those are the ones i think they are, i've seen em there for years.. those are old ass windmills. i'm sure they've killed a decent number of birds just being there for so long. they need upgrades i bet... there are quite a few there, but i 've always wondered iwhy there weren't more. the new ones are bigger more efficient and far kewler looking:) i always see a buncha those old ones not spinning, its rather sad.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: norcalhiker
Because global warming will kill all the birds anyways....

Suuuuurrrrrreeee it will. Could you be any more wrong?
 

norcalhiker

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I think that the whole bird issue is a little over blown. The Altamont area is the only space where brid kills are really a problem. Detractors of clean, renewable energy like to point out that windpower isn't perfect either and they always use this example. It is just to detract from the momentum behind the movement.

Altamont isn't killing pigeons either. Something like 80% of the birds killed are raptors.

Below is a good quote from the Audobon society:

"At Audubon, we believe wind power is a great, non-polluting alternative to fossil fuels. We have only one reservation: wind generation plants must be located away from habitats for endangered birds, especially raptors, which have a higher chance of impacting with wind turbines. With the proper EIS work, wind plants should be a great benefit to people and the environment." - John Bianchi, Audobon society
 

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We should tap into the US's biggest energy reserve. The methane from cow farts could power the nation. Cheap reliable fuel, which burns clean.