Give Crysis Warhead 1 star rating/review on Amazon.com if DRM pisses you off

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: drebo

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Chronoshock
It's funny, despite the 2k+ 1 star reviews, spore is still #2 on the computer games best selling list. Crysis warhead is in the top 10 as well. Goes to show that hype trumps reviews (but hey, we already knew that)

Unfortunately all this shows is that folks aren't voting with their dollars, don't care about the DRM, or just don't know about it at all. Or maybe EA's marketing is just that good.

Well, that's the point. I bought Crysis, enjoyed it, and now I bought Warhead. However, I did want to get my opinion across about how I felt about having limited activations.

To me, boycotting the game entirely defeats the purpose. I'm a gamer, so I want to play games. If my only recourse is not buy games... well, I might as well find another pastime.

So you don't like it...but you don't not like it enough to not buy it.

Sounds to me like it's not really as important to you as you're trying to let on.

I like the game, but not the DRM. Like I said though, boycotting defeats the purpose... It's also not a question of importance IMO. Clearly it is important to over 2000 potential Spore players and a few Warhead players as well, so it is important.

I really cannot see how any gamer would not take issue with this. Indifference I could see, but why you've decided to stick up for a company like this is beyond me...

Originally posted by: duragezic
^^ Agree with the previous two posts. Like I said, those who bought the game and got burned by the DRM (somehow already I don't know how) should post that 1 star review. But all I see is dozens or hundreds of idiots posting about "draconian" DRM that they know nothing about. What was someone calling it diamond head? Doesn't even know the name of the fucking game, doesn't surprise me though, he just needs to bitch about DRM is all.

I finally got to playing Warhead tonight and it is just awesome. So I fully recommend it and the DRM is unlikely to pose a problem for the vast majority of people.

I fully recommend the game also, it is really good if you liked the original Crysis. However, if the DRM bothers you should at least let EA and Crytek know by voicing your opinion. Amazon just happens to be a good place to do that.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: duragezic
My understanding is that simple reinstalling the game does not count towards an activation. I don't know of any that do.

I believe you are correct. As I understand it, there has to be a significant change in hardware for the install to count as a separate activation.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: pontifex
they need to make reviews available only if you bought the item from them.

I agree, I had actually thought that is how it worked until the whole spore mess happened.

Makes amazon look bad IMO. I know I won't trust their reviews anymore knowing that anyone can write whatever they want even if they didn't buy anything.

The point here is that people are using Amazon as a platform to air their concerns over how EA handles DRM. It may not be exactly how Amazon intended the review functionality to be used, but sometimes you have to make an exception.

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
No, you may have had one bad experience with it, but that does not mean you know how this particular iteration of the DRM will work on your PC.

Keep on trying to justify what you are doing, but it's not right no matter how you try to package it.

KT

This is incorrect. There is actually a post containing the official FAQ from Crytek that explains pretty clearly how it works.

http://www.amazon.com/Crysis-W...THKVC&store=videogames

Original FAQ directly from Crytek:

http://crysiswarhead.ea.com/blogs/news/default.aspx

Anyone doing any research at all on this topic does know how the DRM currently works.

Again, it simply baffles me that anyone would side with EA on this issue. Why the idea of just 'renting' 5 installs somehow seems good just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does it make any sense to me why anyone would take issue with others posting their opinion on Amazon. While it may not be a direct 'review', it is relevant to a potential buyer.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Again, it simply baffles me that anyone would side with EA on this issue. Why the idea of just 'renting' 5 installs somehow seems good just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does it make any sense to me why anyone would take issue with others posting their opinion on Amazon. While it may not be a direct 'review', it is relevant to a potential buyer.

I am not siding with EA, I absolutely hate the DRM, but I think it is stupid to take this action to deal with it.

 

[Extelleron]

Not buying a game because it has DRM is just stupid. I have never had a problem with any DRM solution and more often than not the publisher/devs soften up a week after release and release some kind of fix for it (such as for this game, being able to deauthorize the game if you want an authorization on a new machine/another machine).

I'm not saying that I am siding with EA or any publisher who uses DRM, it is absolute BS, it does nothing to stop piracy, it is a PITA to people who buy the game, and some sales are lost as a result of it. But it is not going to do you any good to miss out on a good game because of that, and also to hurt Crytek and lessen the chances that they will bring out another game for PC. And posting a bunch of 1-star reviews if you didn't even play the game is just immature and idiotic.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: pontifex
they need to make reviews available only if you bought the item from them.

Well that aint gonna happen anytime soon thankfully so the pro DRM club can keep dreaming.

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Not buying a game because it has DRM is just stupid. I have never had a problem with any DRM solution and more often than not the publisher/devs soften up a week after release and release some kind of fix for it (such as for this game, being able to deauthorize the game if you want an authorization on a new machine/another machine).

I'm not saying that I am siding with EA or any publisher who uses DRM, it is absolute BS, it does nothing to stop piracy, it is a PITA to people who buy the game, and some sales are lost as a result of it. But it is not going to do you any good to miss out on a good game because of that, and also to hurt Crytek and lessen the chances that they will bring out another game for PC. And posting a bunch of 1-star reviews if you didn't even play the game is just immature and idiotic.

Wrong, people need to know about DRM, i bought mass effect on the console because of the DRM on the PC version, an informed decision that would not have been made if it wasent for reviews like those on amazon. I checked my PC for securom games, there arent any, i checked my PC for securom and for some reason its there!! Where did it come from!? Which one of my previous games left this crap behind... i have no idea because nobody told me. If you wanna be uninformed about things you buy go ahead, i choose to side with the majority in this and will help inform others about the DRM scandal.

You may think DRM isnt a problem now, but dont come back here crying when your game wont work a few months/years down the line. Buy it again at retail, thats what you signed up for.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: duragezic
^^ Agree with the previous two posts. Like I said, those who bought the game and got burned by the DRM (somehow already I don't know how) should post that 1 star review. But all I see is dozens or hundreds of idiots posting about "draconian" DRM that they know nothing about. What was someone calling it diamond head? Doesn't even know the name of the fucking game, doesn't surprise me though, he just needs to bitch about DRM is all.

I finally got to playing Warhead tonight and it is just awesome. So I fully recommend it and the DRM is unlikely to pose a problem for the vast majority of people.

How does a 5-install limit not pose a problem for most people?

i'm not saying i agree with DRM, but it most likely doesn't. i'd be willing to be that most "normal" pc users won't have any problems with it. most "normal" users probably aren't buying new hardware every few months or have no need to reformat 5 times in 8 months. thats just ridiculous. once i finish a game, i rarely replay it or reinstall it.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they remove reviews like that? At least I thought that was the case with Spore.

edit: LOLOLOL nevermind, 66 1 star reviews, that's pretty funny :laugh:

They did remove the Spore reviews, but put them back up. It currently has 2,496 1-star reviews and less than 400 reviews for 2, 3, 4, and 5 combined.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: duragezic
^^ Agree with the previous two posts. Like I said, those who bought the game and got burned by the DRM (somehow already I don't know how) should post that 1 star review. But all I see is dozens or hundreds of idiots posting about "draconian" DRM that they know nothing about. What was someone calling it diamond head? Doesn't even know the name of the fucking game, doesn't surprise me though, he just needs to bitch about DRM is all.

I finally got to playing Warhead tonight and it is just awesome. So I fully recommend it and the DRM is unlikely to pose a problem for the vast majority of people.

How does a 5-install limit not pose a problem for most people?

i'm not saying i agree with DRM, but it most likely doesn't. i'd be willing to be that most "normal" pc users won't have any problems with it. most "normal" users probably aren't buying new hardware every few months or have no need to reformat 5 times in 8 months. thats just ridiculous. once i finish a game, i rarely replay it or reinstall it.

Some people do, hence the 1-star review.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: minmaster
something similar took place when EA released Battlefield 2142 with IGA (in-game-advertising). it still has bad reviews on amazon and they lost a lot of potential customers. IGA repulsed so many people that many never even gave it a try and stayed with BF2.

And those people were stupid crybabies. Because a few TEXTURES were for advertising, they filled their diapers until it ran down their chubby pink legs and made a big stink over nothing. Who cares if a billboard texture is for Pepsi or Slurm? In a shooter game, the idea is to kill and not get killed. If you're staring at a sign so long that you can't help but want to spew your emo rage across teh Intarwebz in reaction, you're a tool, and not a very sharp one at that.

Putting up with the advertising makes you the tool, sir!

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Again, it simply baffles me that anyone would side with EA on this issue. Why the idea of just 'renting' 5 installs somehow seems good just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does it make any sense to me why anyone would take issue with others posting their opinion on Amazon. While it may not be a direct 'review', it is relevant to a potential buyer.

I am not siding with EA, I absolutely hate the DRM, but I think it is stupid to take this action to deal with it.

What else can we do? EA clearly doesn't care. Crytek's a bunch of sellout shitheads. We need to educate the public about this, and amazon's a fair medium to do so.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: duragezic
^^ Agree with the previous two posts. Like I said, those who bought the game and got burned by the DRM (somehow already I don't know how) should post that 1 star review. But all I see is dozens or hundreds of idiots posting about "draconian" DRM that they know nothing about. What was someone calling it diamond head? Doesn't even know the name of the fucking game, doesn't surprise me though, he just needs to bitch about DRM is all.

I finally got to playing Warhead tonight and it is just awesome. So I fully recommend it and the DRM is unlikely to pose a problem for the vast majority of people.

How does a 5-install limit not pose a problem for most people?

Any game I buy pretty much gets 2 installs right away, some a third. If I go a do a normal unistall and it doesn't clear the slot on one of those, I'm already starting to hit the limit through no unusual action.

On top of that, you're unable to resell the game due to this limit. That's what we in the business call 'illegal business practices'

First-sale doctrine FTW

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Not buying a game because it has DRM is just stupid. I have never had a problem with any DRM solution and more often than not the publisher/devs soften up a week after release and release some kind of fix for it (such as for this game, being able to deauthorize the game if you want an authorization on a new machine/another machine).

I'm not saying that I am siding with EA or any publisher who uses DRM, it is absolute BS, it does nothing to stop piracy, it is a PITA to people who buy the game, and some sales are lost as a result of it. But it is not going to do you any good to miss out on a good game because of that, and also to hurt Crytek and lessen the chances that they will bring out another game for PC. And posting a bunch of 1-star reviews if you didn't even play the game is just immature and idiotic.

I suppose the Boston Tea Party was also immature and idiotic :roll:

 

[Oakenfold]

Originally posted by: duragezic
I finally got to playing Warhead tonight and it is just awesome. So I fully recommend it and the DRM is unlikely to pose a problem for the vast majority of people.

I agree with your statement that the DRM is unlikely to cause a problem for most people. (i.e. you know who I'm talking about, the gamers with awesome Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets, the ones that buy a new computer when they get a virus, the ones that go to geeksquad to get their spyware removed etc etc etc!!).

The problem is that most of us that are vocal proponents of DRM is because we are in the minority. Who are we? We are the PC enthusiasts. The crowd that pays for bleeding edge hardware, the crowd that troubleshoots the hardware problems. The crowd that drives innovation because we pay a premium for high end components, of which the tech advances are eventually passed along to mainstream consumers through further process innovation. Until we can get the mainstream to understand our cause the companies are not going to change anything.

In addition we understand that DRM is an EPIC failure. You've witnessed it in the music industry. We are seeing companies move to DRM free music because consumers are starting to wake up. At the end of the day pirating is not stopped by DRM. By all means if you choose to believe any illusion that DRM is there to be a strong effective preventive control for software theft protection you go right ahead and keep on living in that dream.

What DRM does is cause the PC Enthusiasts to do exactly what's going on right now, complain. By all means if you want to sit by and idly do nothing that is your choice. But do not knock people for voicing their concerns with a product that contains DRM that isn't going to cause a problem for you in the first place.


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[Dkcode]

Originally posted by: Oakenfold

Originally posted by: duragezic
I finally got to playing Warhead tonight and it is just awesome. So I fully recommend it and the DRM is unlikely to pose a problem for the vast majority of people.

I agree with your statement that the DRM is unlikely to cause a problem for most people. (i.e. you know who I'm talking about, the gamers with awesome Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets, the ones that buy a new computer when they get a virus, the ones that go to geeksquad to get their spyware removed etc etc etc!!).

The problem is that most of us that are vocal proponents of DRM is because we are in the minority. Who are we? We are the PC enthusiasts. The crowd that pays for bleeding edge hardware, the crowd that troubleshoots the hardware problems. The crowd that drives innovation because we pay a premium for high end components, of which the tech advances are eventually passed along to mainstream consumers through further process innovation. Until we can get the mainstream to understand our cause the companies are not going to change anything.

In addition we understand that DRM is an EPIC failure. You've witnessed it in the music industry. We are seeing companies move to DRM free music because consumers are starting to wake up. At the end of the day pirating is not stopped by DRM. By all means if you choose to believe any illusion that DRM is there to be a strong effective preventive control for software theft protection you go right ahead and keep on living in that dream.

What DRM does is cause the PC Enthusiasts to do exactly what's going on right now, complain. By all means if you want to sit by and idly do nothing that is your choice. But do not knock people for voicing their concerns with a product that contains DRM that isn't going to cause a problem for you in the first place.


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:thumbsup:

 

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: Eeezee


On top of that, you're unable to resell the game due to this limit. That's what we in the business call 'illegal business practices'

First-sale doctrine FTW

where does it specifically state in the EULA that you can't resell the game?

Just checked the EULA - nope...nowhere does it state that the game is forever bound to my soul.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Again, it simply baffles me that anyone would side with EA on this issue. Why the idea of just 'renting' 5 installs somehow seems good just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does it make any sense to me why anyone would take issue with others posting their opinion on Amazon. While it may not be a direct 'review', it is relevant to a potential buyer.

I am not siding with EA, I absolutely hate the DRM, but I think it is stupid to take this action to deal with it.

So what action do you propose instead?

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Not buying a game because it has DRM is just stupid. I have never had a problem with any DRM solution and more often than not the publisher/devs soften up a week after release and release some kind of fix for it (such as for this game, being able to deauthorize the game if you want an authorization on a new machine/another machine).

I'm not saying that I am siding with EA or any publisher who uses DRM, it is absolute BS, it does nothing to stop piracy, it is a PITA to people who buy the game, and some sales are lost as a result of it. But it is not going to do you any good to miss out on a good game because of that, and also to hurt Crytek and lessen the chances that they will bring out another game for PC. And posting a bunch of 1-star reviews if you didn't even play the game is just immature and idiotic.

What is immature and idiotic about posting your grievances with a product in a review of the product on a retailers's site that sells the product? As I asked the last guy, what's your proposed alternative? I'm all ears, if sounds like a good idea, I might opt to do whatever your proposal might be...

If they do implement some means to de-authorize machines, I think that would be an acceptable solution. Bear in mind though, that EA/Crytek would have never even mentioned that if it had not been for all the public negative feedback they received.

 

[phexac]

I think de-authorization a la iPod, though somewhat of a pain in the ass, would be an acceptable compromised to this DRM solution. It would effectively change the focus of DRM from limiting the number of uses of the product to limiting its simultaneous install base, something that I don't really have a problem with.

Authorize/deauthorize I will agree with, but I will not buy any game that implements install limit DRM.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: coloumb

Originally posted by: Eeezee


On top of that, you're unable to resell the game due to this limit. That's what we in the business call 'illegal business practices'

First-sale doctrine FTW

where does it specifically state in the EULA that you can't resell the game?

Just checked the EULA - nope...nowhere does it state that the game is forever bound to my soul.

Well if you wanna sell your game once it has no activations left go ahead. That would be a real dick move and whoever you sell it to will be pissed. Of course i would expect someone who likes DRM to pull something like that.

The EA CEO even said DRM was to help kill the resale market... get a clue!

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Not buying a game because it has DRM is just stupid. I have never had a problem with any DRM solution and more often than not the publisher/devs soften up a week after release and release some kind of fix for it (such as for this game, being able to deauthorize the game if you want an authorization on a new machine/another machine).

I'm not saying that I am siding with EA or any publisher who uses DRM, it is absolute BS, it does nothing to stop piracy, it is a PITA to people who buy the game, and some sales are lost as a result of it. But it is not going to do you any good to miss out on a good game because of that, and also to hurt Crytek and lessen the chances that they will bring out another game for PC. And posting a bunch of 1-star reviews if you didn't even play the game is just immature and idiotic.

I suppose the Boston Tea Party was also immature and idiotic :roll:

Wow - really?

It's a fucking video game, not the...Jesus...full of yourself much?

 

[mindcycle]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Again, it simply baffles me that anyone would side with EA on this issue. Why the idea of just 'renting' 5 installs somehow seems good just doesn't make any sense to me. Nor does it make any sense to me why anyone would take issue with others posting their opinion on Amazon. While it may not be a direct 'review', it is relevant to a potential buyer.

I am not siding with EA, I absolutely hate the DRM, but I think it is stupid to take this action to deal with it.

What else can we do? EA clearly doesn't care. Crytek's a bunch of sellout shitheads. We need to educate the public about this, and amazon's a fair medium to do so.

I agree. If EA isn't willing to specify in the description of their product that you will be installing SecuROM (which is essentially malware), then I don't see a problem letting other users know about it. If they told you up front what you were buying then there would be no need for any of this. They don't. The reviews I read talk specifically about the DRM and make no mention of the quality of the game. Anyone who's not a complete idiot will understand that.

 

[mindcycle]

Originally posted by: coloumb

Originally posted by: Eeezee


On top of that, you're unable to resell the game due to this limit. That's what we in the business call 'illegal business practices'

First-sale doctrine FTW

where does it specifically state in the EULA that you can't resell the game?

Just checked the EULA - nope...nowhere does it state that the game is forever bound to my soul.

This has already been discussed. Of course it doesn't specifically say that, as that would most likely be deemed illegal. That doesn't mean they aren't trying to severely disable the used market. With no used market good luck trying to sell your game. You're either going to have to call up EA and tell them "I want to sell the game I "bought" now, can you give me permission to do that?", or you can hope the buyer doesn't run into any problems.

Let me how that works out for you..

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Not buying a game because it has DRM is just stupid. I have never had a problem with any DRM solution and more often than not the publisher/devs soften up a week after release and release some kind of fix for it (such as for this game, being able to deauthorize the game if you want an authorization on a new machine/another machine).

I'm not saying that I am siding with EA or any publisher who uses DRM, it is absolute BS, it does nothing to stop piracy, it is a PITA to people who buy the game, and some sales are lost as a result of it. But it is not going to do you any good to miss out on a good game because of that, and also to hurt Crytek and lessen the chances that they will bring out another game for PC. And posting a bunch of 1-star reviews if you didn't even play the game is just immature and idiotic.

I suppose the Boston Tea Party was also immature and idiotic :roll:

Wow - really?

It's a fucking video game, not the...Jesus...full of yourself much?

lol, i was thinking the same thing. isn't this just like bringing up nazis for other things?

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Not buying a game because it has DRM is just stupid. I have never had a problem with any DRM solution and more often than not the publisher/devs soften up a week after release and release some kind of fix for it (such as for this game, being able to deauthorize the game if you want an authorization on a new machine/another machine).

I'm not saying that I am siding with EA or any publisher who uses DRM, it is absolute BS, it does nothing to stop piracy, it is a PITA to people who buy the game, and some sales are lost as a result of it. But it is not going to do you any good to miss out on a good game because of that, and also to hurt Crytek and lessen the chances that they will bring out another game for PC. And posting a bunch of 1-star reviews if you didn't even play the game is just immature and idiotic.

I suppose the Boston Tea Party was also immature and idiotic :roll:

Wow - really?

It's a fucking video game, not the...Jesus...full of yourself much?

lol, i was thinking the same thing. isn't this just like bringing up nazis for other things?

No, its a perfectly sane analogy, just a different scale. The boston tea party was a protest about international issues that had international repercussions. This is a bunch of nerds complaining about something that has repercussions only in the sphere of their nerdiosity and our puny wallets.

That doesnt mean it aint a fight worth fighting though. As long as they let us *painlessly* deauthorize computers and make sure theres no rootkits in it, I dont see a problem. But if the DRM is your main issue in buying the game, if youre not absolutely dying to play the game, I'd wait until the deauthorization system is actually released, and then buy it ASAP.

That way you can send the message loud and clear - I will absolutely not buy the game until the DRM is reasonable. Part of the problem is that theres so many hypotheticals - theres really no way for EA or anyone to be sure how many people arent buying cause of the DRM - if sales are directly corresponding to the loosening of the DRM, it sends a very clear message.