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Giuliani warns of 'new 9/11' if Dems win

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think he makes a good point about Democrats going on the defense and returning to a ?react after the fact? mentality. But the 9-11 like comment might be a little strong.
Then again it might be what a lot of people need to hear.
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This is just liberal media sensationalism, per usual. Guiliani never said "There will be another 9/11".

And he is right. Democrats do not comprehend the threats we face and have shown time and time again they aren't up to the task. They've been on the wrong side of history on numerous occasions.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think he makes a good point about Democrats going on the defense and returning to a ?react after the fact? mentality. But the 9-11 like comment might be a little strong.
Then again it might be what a lot of people need to hear.
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This is just liberal media sensationalism, per usual. Guiliani never said "There will be another 9/11".

And he is right. Democrats do not comprehend the threats we face and have shown time and time again they aren't up to the task. They've been on the wrong side of history on numerous occasions.
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Oh chit now you've done it, I predict this thread becomes at least 8 pages by the end of the day.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think he makes a good point about Democrats going on the defense and returning to a ?react after the fact? mentality. But the 9-11 like comment might be a little strong.
Then again it might be what a lot of people need to hear.
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This is just liberal media sensationalism, per usual. Guiliani never said "There will be another 9/11".

And he is right. Democrats do not comprehend the threats we face and have shown time and time again they aren't up to the task. They've been on the wrong side of history on numerous occasions.
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As have the Republicans. In fact they haven't been right about Iraq once!
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: senseamp
He pretty much killed any chance of me voting for him with that remark. Just shows that he is more of same old stuff we heard and saw from Bush, not a change that this country needs.
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You werent going to vote for him anyways.
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Thanks, Nostradamus :roll:
I voted for Arnold for governor, so It wasn't out of the realm of possibility. A Republican would have to show me he is of a different kind than what we had for the last decade in Congress and White House, and both McCain and Giuliani are now bent on demonstrating that they are more of the same.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
As have the Republicans. In fact they haven't been right about Iraq once!
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Can you tell me which party leader recently declared "The war is lost..." ?

I'll be the first to admit mistakes have been made by Republicans as well, but if you're keeping a score card it is awful lopsided.

 
Err what exactly is the quote by Giuliani I'm supposed to be shocked about? I see the article writer saying what he thinks Giuliani said, but I guess I'm missing the direct quote...

 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think he makes a good point about Democrats going on the defense and returning to a ?react after the fact? mentality. But the 9-11 like comment might be a little strong.
Then again it might be what a lot of people need to hear.
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This is just liberal media sensationalism, per usual. Guiliani never said "There will be another 9/11".

And he is right. Democrats do not comprehend the threats we face and have shown time and time again they aren't up to the task. They've been on the wrong side of history on numerous occasions.
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What's it like to live thinking somebody is always out to get you? Psychiatrists have a term for that. They call it "****** crazy."
 
Originally posted by: Dashel
Err what exactly is the quote by Giuliani I'm supposed to be shocked about? I see the article writer saying what he thinks Giuliani said, but I guess I'm missing the direct quote...
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you will be hard pressed to find any politician to say anything directly.

maybe that will help you out some?


 
Wow, does this really surprise anyone?

Could you not see this coming from a mile away?

Rudy is the "law & order" candidate, what else could he say?

He can't run on his conservative social "values", can he?

What about 2nd amendment rights? Nope.

Immigration? Nope

Abortion? Nope.

He's just a hawkish Dem running as a Repub. If he wants to run as a peace dove, he'd better switch to the Dem party because he would then be left of HRC.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: jman19
More fear mongering... no thanks, the last 6+ years of that crap has been enough.
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4-25-2007 Democrats say Giuliani fear-mongers

The top two Democratic presidential contenders rebuked Republican rival Rudy Giuliani Wednesday for suggesting the United States could face another major terrorist attack if a Democrat is elected in 2008.

Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) said the man who served as New York mayor's during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks should not be making the serious threat that faces the country into "the punchline of another political attack."

"Rudy Giuliani today has taken the politics of fear to a new low and I believe Americans are ready to reject those kind of politics," Obama said in a statement. "America's mayor should know that when it comes to 9-11 and fighting terrorists, America is united. We know we can win this war based on shared purpose, not the same divisive politics that question your patriotism if you dare to question failed policies that have made us less secure."

New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, weighing in with a statement posted on her campaign Website, said: "One of the great tragedies of this Administration is that the president failed to keep this country unified after 9/11. We have to protect our country from terrorism ? it shouldn't be a Democratic fight or a Republican fight."

Giuliani's comment Tuesday in New Hampshire echoed sentiments expressed by other Republicans in election time. The former mayor said if a Democrat is elected, "it sounds to me like we're going on defense. We're going to wave the white flag there."

But, he said, if a Republican wins, "we will remain on offense" trying to anticipate what the terrorists are going to do and "trying to stop them before they do it."

In 2004, President Bush was re-elected after claiming that Democratic Sen. John Kerry would waver in the face of terrorist threats. Vice President Dick Cheney suggested a vote for Kerry would risk another terrorist attack.

In the 2006 election, Bush political strategist Karl Rove accused Democrats of clinging to a pre-Sept. 11 mind-set ? but Democrats came out on top in the majority of midterm races.
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To Hillary - We are united you dolt, united against Republicans.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: thraashman
I like how he said that the terrorists hate us because of our freedoms, yet he's against us having those freedoms because he's for the Patriot act and the illegal electronic surveillance. What better way to stop terrorist attacks than to get rid of those freedoms of ours they hate so much! Guilliani is a dumbass, plain and simple.
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If it's illegal how come the Democratic congress has not said a thing about changing the law? And the courts have not stopped it either hmmmm
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Um, several parts of the Patriot act have been and are being challenged, Democrats prevented some parts from being renewed, the wiretapping was declared unconstitutional by the court and the admin stopped it while it's in appeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act#Challenges_to_Limit_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act_controversy
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Dashel
Err what exactly is the quote by Giuliani I'm supposed to be shocked about? I see the article writer saying what he thinks Giuliani said, but I guess I'm missing the direct quote...
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you will be hard pressed to find any politician to say anything directly.

maybe that will help you out some?
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lol. Translation: I dont know, I just read the headline and got outraged.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think he makes a good point about Democrats going on the defense and returning to a ?react after the fact? mentality. But the 9-11 like comment might be a little strong.
Then again it might be what a lot of people need to hear.
Click to expand...

This is just liberal media sensationalism, per usual. Guiliani never said "There will be another 9/11".

And he is right. Democrats do not comprehend the threats we face and have shown time and time again they aren't up to the task. They've been on the wrong side of history on numerous occasions.
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They've been doing pretty well since Bush took office. Basically, any statement diametrically opposite to (or at least different from) Bush/GOP would have been a better choice.

?If any Republican is elected president ?- and I think obviously I would be the best at this ?- we will remain on offense and will anticipate what [the terrorists] will do and try to stop them before they do it,? Giuliani said.
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So where did Giuliani put the command center for NYC?
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OKLAHOMA CITY - Rudolph Giuliani offered a fresh defense yesterday of his decision to locate New York's emergency command center near the World Trade Center, suggesting the command center would not have been up to the task on 9/11 even if it had survived the attacks.

Giuliani, speaking at a seminar on the 12th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, said the main New York command center, at 7 World Trade Center, and two backups were inadequate because none foresaw an attack on the scale of 9/11. Even if the main center had survived, "they were all one-third the size of what it turned out that we needed," he said. He also said the center was probably half the size needed to cope with the volume of calls after the attacks.

Some critics have questioned why Giuliani built the command center so close to such an attractive terror target, and some 9/11 families have used the issue to challenge the former mayor's reputation as a forceful leader.

Giuliani advised public officials to think big as they plan emergency response capability. "If you find the things that were done wrong [in New York], almost all ... come back to the fact that no one quite projected something of this magnitude."
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Sometimes you have to wonder if these people actually bother to listen to the words that come out of that vocal orifice.:roll:

1) Seems like if the NYC command center wouldn't be up to task then that's a poor job of anticipation.

2) Giuliani says no one foresaw the scale of 9/11 so it seems it would be pretty hard to prevent . . .

3) Either way Giuliani was The Man . . . yet failed miserably except for being a good cheerleader after the fact.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Giuliani, speaking at a seminar on the 12th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, said the main New York command center, at 7 World Trade Center, and two backups were inadequate because none foresaw an attack on the scale of 9/11.

Even if the main center had survived, "they were all one-third the size of what it turned out that we needed," he said. He also said the center was probably half the size needed to cope with the volume of calls after the attacks.
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I didn't know that the Command Center was there.

It was built after I left the Dept and New York apparently.

So that explains the giant generator that was in the basement of 7 World with the two giant fuel tanks that burned.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Giuliani, speaking at a seminar on the 12th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, said the main New York command center, at 7 World Trade Center, and two backups were inadequate because none foresaw an attack on the scale of 9/11.

Even if the main center had survived, "they were all one-third the size of what it turned out that we needed," he said. He also said the center was probably half the size needed to cope with the volume of calls after the attacks.
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I didn't know that the Command Center was there.

It was built after I left the Dept and New York apparently.

So that explains the giant generator that was in the basement of 7 World with the two giant fuel tanks that burned.
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If a Republican had been mayor of NYC, s/he would have planned better . . .

If a Republican had been President, s/he would have prevented the attack . . . I wonder what a Republican would have done with a PDB titled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US' . . .
 
Well that kills any support for him from me. Sure dont want a continuation of old GW in 2008. Sorry Giuli, bye bye...
 
Olberman just shredded him for this. He is acting a bit too much like cheney.

As for people who say "dems don't understand the risks" .... the risks are pretty damn low. Terrorism is not as important as non proliferation and you'll find report after report from departments in the us government saying we are failing at it.
 
Originally posted by: Dashel
Err what exactly is the quote by Giuliani I'm supposed to be shocked about? I see the article writer saying what he thinks Giuliani said, but I guess I'm missing the direct quote...
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Lurker alert.
 
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Well a win for the Dems is a win for Al Qaeda since they have almost the same agenda
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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
"Vote for us or you'll be killed"

Could someone define terrorism for me?
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As you can see above Democrats are Terrists according to some resident Republicans.
 
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