girl not allowed to go to summer camp because she is a diabetic

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Then go to a different camp. Jesus Christ, im sick of people putting their own sh!t on other people. The girl is a walking suger bomb that could go off any second, and this mother wants the camp to take special care of her at the possible expense of all the other kids. Wake the fvck up and realize life isnt fair, and sometimes you get screwed.

exactly what does it feel like to walk around with your head up your ass all day?

The girl is not a walking "suger bomb". She is a normal girl who's pancreas doesnt produce insulin any more. Maybe she should just kill herself now to prevent any further intrusions into normal society.

 

[mugs]

Yeah I definitely see the camp's side, they're just asking for trouble if they agree to remind the girl every 3 hours.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Amused
I only have to differ with GoodDad on the fact that he isn't looking at it from the camp's side AT ALL. I don't think he's even tried.

But this IS a hard one. Anyone who takes one side or the other easily is being too simplistic about it.

Is it so hard? Doesn't seem that way to me. It's a summer camp, not a medical facility or a parental replacement. Where do you draw the line? She needs her blood sugar checked every 3 hours. Bill needs to have his lungs suctioned every 35 minutes. Jack needs dialysis every other day. Sara needs to plug her respirator in for 15 minutes every 6 hours. The camp would have to triple their staff in order to have a personal nurse for every kid with a medical condition.

If this little girl's condition is so bad that she absolutely must test her sugar every 3 hours without exception and she cannot be trusted to do so, then she's not ready to go away to camp.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: GoodDad

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Then go to a different camp. Jesus Christ, im sick of people putting their own sh!t on other people. The girl is a walking suger bomb that could go off any second, and this mother wants the camp to take special care of her at the possible expense of all the other kids. Wake the fvck up and realize life isnt fair, and sometimes you get screwed.

exactly what does it feel like to walk around with your head up your ass all day?

The girl is not a walking "suger bomb". She is a normal girl who's pancreas doesnt produce insulin any more. Maybe she should just kill herself now to prevent any further intrusions into normal society.

Whos head is up whos ass??
YOU want the camp to assume liability for this girl. YOU want the camp to make sure the girl checks it. YOU want the camp to be held accountable if the girl doesnt, OR if something should happen!!

Think about this for a minute. I seriously hope the camp wins on this issue. As has been stated, I'm tired of people pushing their libilities on others. What if the girl goes into shock? Or even dies? Will the mom press charges? Damned right she will!! Because shes a selfish self centered bitch. Babysitting this girl is NOT the camps responsibility!!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: GoodDad

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Then go to a different camp. Jesus Christ, im sick of people putting their own sh!t on other people. The girl is a walking suger bomb that could go off any second, and this mother wants the camp to take special care of her at the possible expense of all the other kids. Wake the fvck up and realize life isnt fair, and sometimes you get screwed.

exactly what does it feel like to walk around with your head up your ass all day?

The girl is not a walking "suger bomb". She is a normal girl who's pancreas doesnt produce insulin any more. Maybe she should just kill herself now to prevent any further intrusions into normal society.

GoodDad, the girl NEEDS to be able to take care of herself. Had she simply told them she was capable of remembering to test on her own, they would have been fine with her condition. It is her mother putting ALL respoinsibility on the camp that raises her needs ABOVE what the camp can, and is willing to offer. I'm sure there are MANY other special needs children they do not accept because thier needs are more than the camp can take care of.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Amused
I only have to differ with GoodDad on the fact that he isn't looking at it from the camp's side AT ALL. I don't think he's even tried.

But this IS a hard one. Anyone who takes one side or the other easily is being too simplistic about it.

Is it so hard? Doesn't seem that way to me. It's a summer camp, not a medical facility or a parental replacement. Where do you draw the line? She needs her blood sugar checked every 3 hours. Bill needs to have his lungs suctioned every 35 minutes. Jack needs dialysis every other day. Sara needs to plug her respirator in for 15 minutes every 6 hours. The camp would have to triple their staff in order to have a personal nurse for every kid with a medical condition.

If this little girl's condition is so bad that she absolutely must test her sugar every 3 hours without exception and she cannot be trusted to do so, then she's not ready to go away to camp.

I see that side and I agree with it. I think it all rests with the request to remind the girl, not the fact that she is diabetic.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: GoodDad

Originally posted by: Amused
I only have to differ with GoodDad on the fact that he isn't looking at it from the camp's side AT ALL. I don't think he's even tried.

But this IS a hard one. Anyone who takes one side or the other easily is being too simplistic about it.

Of course I'm not looking at it from their side. I realize that.

But what you guys have to realize is that there is no need to segregate her. This place has to have trained medical staff on site. There is no way they could run without one. Testing blood sugar takes all of ten seconds tops. They didnt want to complicate their lives, and now their lives are going to get very complex.

"Trained medical staff" usually refers to one person who has first aid certifications. That person is not paid to babysit every child with a medical condition, and that person is also likely not trained in dealing specifically with her needs.

Her mother segregated her when she demanded special treatment.

This is another very typical example of the personal responsibility issues plaguing us today. Honestly, 20 years ago, the camp probably would have said "Sure, why not?"

But nowadays, everyone is lawsuit happy, and I'd say the mother's response pretty much proves that they guessed right about her.

Hell if she was playing with my children and her mother told me I was responsible for making sure she checks her blood sugar every 3 hours, I wouldn't let her in my house either.

 

[axelfox]

Liability is probably the reason why they aren't taking her.

 

[Entity]

Frankly, I think I have to side with the camp on this one. If they assume any legal responsibility for her, they could be in quite a bit of trouble; the ease which even diabetics with the strictest control can fall into a coma is striking, let alone one who is 10, and hasn't mastered the difficulties of the disease yet.

Why the mother didn't consider this organization for camps instead is beyond me.

Just FYI, it should be mentioned that I'm a type-1/insulin-dependent diabetic (have been since 14), so I feel like I can understand both sides of the issue. I just would think that if the girl needs a "reminder," she isn't in good enough control to go on her own and allow the camp to assume that responsibility.

Rob

 

[Shockwave]

Hell, if anything I think the mother needs to be questioned as to the abilities of her parenting. i cant see any parnet in their right mind shipping off their daughter with a potentially life threatening medical condition and expecting a non specialized camp to watch over her. I'd be looking for specialized camps in a HEARTBEAT.

Seems to me we have your typical Bad Parent Amercian trying to pass liability and just get the kid out of her hair for the summer. :|

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Entity
Frankly, I think I have to side with the camp on this one. If they assume any legal responsibility for her, they could be in quite a bit of trouble; the ease which even diabetics with the strictest control can fall into a coma is striking, let alone one who is 10, and hasn't mastered the difficulties of the disease yet.

Why the mother didn't consider this organization for camps instead is beyond me.

Just FYI, it should be mentioned that I'm a type-1/insulin-dependent diabetic (have been since 14), so I feel like I can understand both sides of the issue. I just would think that if the girl needs a "reminder," she isn't in good enough control to go on her own and allow the camp to assume that responsibility.

Rob

I believe the thread can end here.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Amused


I believe the thread can end here.

Cant we flame the stupidity of the mother for a while first?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Amused


I believe the thread can end here.

Cant we flame the stupidity of the mother for a while first?

No. She is reacting like GoodDad with the child coming first in her mind. She's being myopic, but there is a good reason behind it. She loves her kid.

We've all been a bit myopic when it comes to family or people we care about. She can be forgiven.

 

[eakers]

its the camp's choice. if they don't feel like they can meet the demands then they shouldn't have to. its better to say no than have something bad happen.
sorry about your luck, go to another camp.

 

[Entity]

I should also mention that 3 years ago, I felt just fine and went into the grocery store with my girlfriend. I had tested my sugars 15 minutes prior to leaving, and they were 78 -- within normal range. I walked to the store with her, and shopped for a while; she said that I started acting weird about 20 minutes in (I don't remember; I was blacked out at that point). Within five minutes, I had a seizure. Had she not been with me, I could have easily died.

My doctor has mentioned many times that my sugar control (testing ~8-9 times/day) is impeccable. If that can happen so easily to me, why should a camp without specialists present all the time be required to accept the liability of taking care of her?

Rob

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Amused


I believe the thread can end here.

Cant we flame the stupidity of the mother for a while first?

No. She is reacting like GoodDad with the child coming first in her mind. She's being myopic, but there is a good reason behind it. She loves her kid.

We've all been a bit myopic when it comes to family or people we care about. She can be forgiven.

:beer:

If it weren't for your Ayn Rand fixation, you and I would agree on too many things.

Maybe I'm going to have to give The Fountainhead another try. 😀

Rob

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Amused


I believe the thread can end here.

Cant we flame the stupidity of the mother for a while first?

No. She is reacting like GoodDad with the child coming first in her mind. She's being myopic, but there is a good reason behind it. She loves her kid.

We've all been a bit myopic when it comes to family or people we care about. She can be forgiven.

Awwww.....Ok, I guess.....

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: eakers
its the camp's choice. if they don't feel like they can meet the demands then they shouldn't have to. its better to say no than have something bad happen.
sorry about your luck, go to another camp.

Wow, lucky 7's.

I also agree with everyone, the camp should not have that kind of liability forced upon them.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: Entity
I should also mention that 3 years ago, I felt just fine and went into the grocery store with my girlfriend. I had tested my sugars 15 minutes prior to leaving, and they were 78 -- within normal range. I walked to the store with her, and shopped for a while; she said that I started acting weird about 20 minutes in (I don't remember; I was blacked out at that point). Within five minutes, I had a seizure. Had she not been with me, I could have easily died.

My doctor has mentioned many times that my sugar control (testing ~8-9 times/day) is impeccable. If that can happen so easily to me, why should a camp without specialists present all the time be required to accept the liability of taking care of her?

Rob

I think that shows the seriousness of the illness and that the mother is very wrong for wanted for her daughter to go.

 

[Gurck]

I don't blame the camp at all. If that girl has any incidents at the camp related to her condition, the parents could (and likely would) sue, and next thing you know a jury of crackheads with an average IQ of about 62 is awarding the family $500,000,000.

 

[thomsbrain]

you can't expect people who aren't trained to handle those kind of medical conditions to be responsible for her. if she can't handle her own meds and the mom won't be there to do it or otherwise provide someone to do it, it is completely unreasonable to ask the camp to do it.

i mean, even if they let her do it, i'd still smack the girl's mom upside the head for being so stupid as to put her child in that kind of dangerous situation.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: silverpig
Think about what would happen if someone at the camp forgot to remind her, and she got all fvcked up cause of her blood sugar. Lawsuit. You should have reminded my child to do her sh!t!!!

They're just protecting themselves from a potentially dangerous situation legally.

Yep. I agree.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: GoodDad

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Then go to a different camp. Jesus Christ, im sick of people putting their own sh!t on other people. The girl is a walking suger bomb that could go off any second, and this mother wants the camp to take special care of her at the possible expense of all the other kids. Wake the fvck up and realize life isnt fair, and sometimes you get screwed.

exactly what does it feel like to walk around with your head up your ass all day?

The girl is not a walking "suger bomb". She is a normal girl who's pancreas doesnt produce insulin any more. Maybe she should just kill herself now to prevent any further intrusions into normal society.

as someone who is hypoglycemic, at high risk for diabetes later in life, and who has numerous family members with diabetes, i concur that the girl IS a walking "sugar bomb" and it's not particularly offensive to call her one. if i don't eat protein every 3 hours i'm reduced to a miserable wretch, shaking and unable to think straight, but i don't ask anyone to remind me to eat and i'd never make my blood sugar someone else's responsibility.