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girl not allowed to go to summer camp because she is a diabetic

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RALEIGH -- Tonynetia Hill was excited about spending the summer at the Raleigh Girls Club. She would do arts and crafts, splash in the pool and revel in the joy of being 10 years old.
Then last week, the Girls Club found out that Tonynetia is diabetic and that her mother wanted someone to remind the girl every three hours to check her blood sugar.

Sorry, said the camp.

Tonynetia started crying.

And her mother started fighting.


Some very large organizations are getting involved in this. I can't believe a place that is funded by the united way would even thing of doing something like this. We are trying to get some of the big news agencies to pick up on this story...but it seems they are too busy discussing Kerry and Edwards' hair.
 
The ADA's stipulations should cover this, and the camp will likely lose the court fight.

My question is, why doesn't the mother buy the girl a wristwatch with an alarm? If my child were diabetic, I sure wouldn't rely on underpaid, bored and undereducated high school-aged camp counselors to remind him or her to check their blood sugar.

EDIT: just read the article...the girl DOES have a watch. I don't see what the problem is then, and I wouldn't think the camp would object to being the SECOND line of defense, after the watch alarm.
 
Ummm and put herself in danger because she's diabetic and her blood suger levels should be monitored carefully since she's only a kid?
Its like letting someone with crippled legs be part of the TdF. Sorry bub, if you aren't fit to do what you need to do, please feel free to do something else.
 
Ah, the continued public stupidity of those in charge of America.

Hell, even as soliders out in the heat or cold, we let eachother know who's suffered temperature related injuries in the past and then we keep an eye on eachother. Damn! It's not that difficult.
 
Ralph Capps, president of Wake County's five Boys and Girls Clubs, said he feels bad about turning Tonynetia away. But he said Thorpe's expectation was unreasonable.

In the end, he said, he decided to deny the girl's application not because of her disease but because of the need to give her regular reminders. "We're not a day-care center," he said. "It's beyond our ability as an organization."

He said he doesn't think the club is violating the federal disabilities law. He called Thorpe's request a "personal assistance exception" and said it is out of the norm of the club's activities.

"The problem is the expectation that we as a staff are going to have to be responsible," he said.

It would be good to post the other side of the story
 
Originally posted by: jumpr
The ADA's stipulations should cover this, and the camp will likely lose the court fight.

My question is, why doesn't the mother buy the girl a wristwatch with an alarm? If my child were diabetic, I sure wouldn't rely on underpaid, bored and undereducated high school-aged camp counselors to remind him or her to check their blood sugar.
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She does wear one that goes off every three hours. Someone didn't read the entire article.😉

The mother just wants someone to make sure she doesn't cancel the alarm while having fun and not test herself.
 
Think about what would happen if someone at the camp forgot to remind her, and she got all fvcked up cause of her blood sugar. Lawsuit. You should have reminded my child to do her sh!t!!!

They're just protecting themselves from a potentially dangerous situation legally.
 
Originally posted by: jumpr
The ADA's stipulations should cover this, and the camp will likely lose the court fight.

My question is, why doesn't the mother buy the girl a wristwatch with an alarm? If my child were diabetic, I sure wouldn't rely on underpaid, bored and undereducated high school-aged camp counselors to remind him or her to check their blood sugar.

EDIT: just read the article...the girl DOES have a watch. I don't see what the problem is then, and I wouldn't think the camp would object to being the SECOND line of defense, after the watch alarm.
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Exactly.

Its like they dont care...between myself and another member of a website I go to, we have fired off over a hundred emails on this. Its just not right.
 
Originally posted by: silverpig
Think about what would happen if someone at the camp forgot to remind her, and she got all fvcked up cause of her blood sugar. Lawsuit. You should have reminded my child to do her sh!t!!!

They're just protecting themselves from a potentially dangerous situation legally.
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Yeah, that's the way I read it too.
 
Originally posted by: silverpig
Think about what would happen if someone at the camp forgot to remind her, and she got all fvcked up cause of her blood sugar. Lawsuit. You should have reminded my child to do her sh!t!!!

They're just protecting themselves from a potentially dangerous situation legally.
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Yep, there are two sides to this story. I can see both sides and am kinda stradling the issue right now.
 
Congrats on sensationalizing even further an already sensational article.

The girl's mom screwed up when she demanded that the counsellors be held responsible for making sure she checks her blood sugar every three hours. That's got big fat liability all over it. Little Tonynetia forgets to check her sugar after one interval and the next thing you know, Mrs. Hill is suing the United Way for everything it's got.

Nobody is going to assume that risk these days.
 
Thats a tough call actually. It isnt a simple "She cant go because she's diabetic"
Its a matter of liability. Why should the camp be liable if the girl doesnt check her sugar and goes into shock? Everyone KNOWS the mother would sue the pants off the camp if that happened. What the mother wants is unfair treatment of her daughter in my opinion. Its CAMP, not BABYSITTING.

Why should the camp be liable for damages the girl may suffer due to her own actions..ie...Not checking her blood sugar.

However, I still think the girl should be allowed to go. Dont misunderstand what i type, thats the other side of the story whether or not I agree with it.
 
Alright devil's advocate time.

This girl requires her glucose tested every 3 hours. She isn't just diabetic, she's an extremely brittle diabetic. Imagine when (not if) someone misses a check. Imagine something were to happen to her. This is a girls camp, not a medical facility.

Unless camps have a trained diabetic expert for each child, then the child and consequently the camp is at risk.

I am sympathetic, but she needs to be in a trained care setting.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: silverpig
Think about what would happen if someone at the camp forgot to remind her, and she got all fvcked up cause of her blood sugar. Lawsuit. You should have reminded my child to do her sh!t!!!

They're just protecting themselves from a potentially dangerous situation legally.
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Yep, there are two sides to this story. I can see both sides and am kinda stradling the issue right now.
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I say let her go, but make her sign a waiver.
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Alright devil's advocate time.

This girl requires her glucose tested every 3 hours. She isn't just diabetic, she's an extremely brittle diabetic. Imagine when (not if) someone misses a check. Imagine something were to happen to her. This is a girls camp, not a medical facility.

Unless camps have a trained diabetic expert for each child, then the child and consequently the camp is at risk.

I am sympathetic, but she needs to be in a trained care setting.
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Beatchya by 1 minute 😛
 
Sorry GoodDad, but I have to differ with you on this.

The girl has a potentially life threatening diseas and needs to be monitored. It is not the problem of a camp to offer said monitoring. If they should fvck up and she dies the camp is responsible.

If parents with children want their kids to go to camps and take part in other activities, then they, the parents, should make themselves available for their children.

I think I understand where you are coming from, but you are wrong in my humble opinion.
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Alright devil's advocate time.

This girl requires her glucose tested every 3 hours. She isn't just diabetic, she's an extremely brittle diabetic. Imagine when (not if) someone misses a check. Imagine something were to happen to her. This is a girls camp, not a medical facility.

Unless camps have a trained diabetic expert for each child, then the child and consequently the camp is at risk.

I am sympathetic, but she needs to be in a trained care setting.
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Beatchya by 1 minute 😛
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And I beat ya by 2 🙂
 
I only have to differ with GoodDad on the fact that he isn't looking at it from the camp's side AT ALL. I don't think he's even tried.

But this IS a hard one. Anyone who takes one side or the other easily is being too simplistic about it.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
I only have to differ with GoodDad on the fact that he isn't looking at it from the camp's side AT ALL. I don't think he's even tried.

But this IS a hard one. Anyone who takes one side or the other easily is being too simplistic about it.
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There is a fair chance of her going into a diabetic coma if these untrained people fsck up.

Like I said, I am sympathetic, but her chances of coming home in a box are real.
 
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Alright devil's advocate time.

This girl requires her glucose tested every 3 hours. She isn't just diabetic, she's an extremely brittle diabetic. Imagine when (not if) someone misses a check. Imagine something were to happen to her. This is a girls camp, not a medical facility.

Unless camps have a trained diabetic expert for each child, then the child and consequently the camp is at risk.

I am sympathetic, but she needs to be in a trained care setting.
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Beatchya by 1 minute 😛
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And I beat ya by 2 🙂
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My dad can beat up your dad 😛

😀
 
Originally posted by: Amused
I only have to differ with GoodDad on the fact that he isn't looking at it from the camp's side AT ALL. I don't think he's even tried.

But this IS a hard one. Anyone who takes one side or the other easily is being too simplistic about it.
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Of course I'm not looking at it from their side. I realize that.

But what you guys have to realize is that there is no need to segregate her. This place has to have trained medical staff on site. There is no way they could run without one. Testing blood sugar takes all of ten seconds tops. They didnt want to complicate their lives, and now their lives are going to get very complex.
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Alright devil's advocate time.

This girl requires her glucose tested every 3 hours. She isn't just diabetic, she's an extremely brittle diabetic. Imagine when (not if) someone misses a check. Imagine something were to happen to her. This is a girls camp, not a medical facility.

Unless camps have a trained diabetic expert for each child, then the child and consequently the camp is at risk.

I am sympathetic, but she needs to be in a trained care setting.
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Beatchya by 1 minute 😛
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And I beat ya by 2 🙂
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My dad can beat up your dad 😛

😀
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I AM your dad!
 
Then go to a different camp. Jesus Christ, im sick of people putting their own sh!t on other people. The girl is a walking suger bomb that could go off any second, and this mother wants the camp to take special care of her at the possible expense of all the other kids. Wake the fvck up and realize life isnt fair, and sometimes you get screwed.
 
Originally posted by: GoodDad
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RALEIGH -- Tonynetia Hill was excited about spending the summer at the Raleigh Girls Club. She would do arts and crafts, splash in the pool and revel in the joy of being 10 years old.
Then last week, the Girls Club found out that Tonynetia is diabetic and that her mother wanted someone to remind the girl every three hours to check her blood sugar.

Sorry, said the camp.

Tonynetia started crying.

And her mother started fighting.


Some very large organizations are getting involved in this. I can't believe a place that is funded by the united way would even thing of doing something like this. We are trying to get some of the big news agencies to pick up on this story...but it seems they are too busy discussing Kerry and Edwards' hair.
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You're making a big fuss over nothing. It's not the camp organization's responsibility to deal with this girl's medical problems. They face tremendous liability should something go wrong with this girl.
 
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: silverpig
Think about what would happen if someone at the camp forgot to remind her, and she got all fvcked up cause of her blood sugar. Lawsuit. You should have reminded my child to do her sh!t!!!

They're just protecting themselves from a potentially dangerous situation legally.
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Yeah, that's the way I read it too.
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yeah, they just want to cover their butt.
 
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