Girl May Be Expelled For Taking Birth Control On Campus

[Fingolfin269]

Come on guys you just don't get it. We can't have high schoolers making the sexy time, right? The only way to fix the problem is to get rid of the birth control. No birth control, no sexy time.

 

[n yusef]

You guys are telling me that none of the girls in your schools took stuff Midol? I don't see why high schools need to monitor the legal drugs the students are taking.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Gotta love the gov't school system...

:roll:

Well who is responsible then for this stupid policy? I'll go even further.. so much for our government school system bought and paid for by the unions.

Lol, you're worse than Winnar:laugh:

Again, who is responsible then if not for them? Bush? Cheney? Karl Rove?

When was zero tolerance first used?

Zero tolerance was first implemented by the federal government in 1988, when Attorney General Edwin Meese gave US Customs agents the authority to impound a boat or vehicle that they suspected of having illicit drugs on board. The policy was expanded beyond the US Customs agency and began to be applied to a range of offenses, including drug and alcohol use at school. During that time the ACLU filed lawsuits that claimed the policy violated civil rights concerning due process and search and seizure (Skiba v. Peterson, 1999).

When was zero tolerance first used in schools?

Zero tolerance became more prevalent in school discipline after falling from favor in areas of law enforcement. In 1989, schools in both New York and California began adopting zero tolerance policies. By 1993, policies had been adopted by school districts all across the country to deal with drugs, tobacco, weapons, and general school disruptions. In 1994 President Bill Clinton signed into law the Gun-Free Schools Act, which mandates a minimum one-year expulsion for students who are found possessing any weapon. By 1996 more then 75% of school districts in the country had some sort of zero tolerance policy on the books. Local school districts have broadened the scope of zero tolerance to include threats and swearing, as well as any sort of insubordination or ?defiance of authority.? In 1998 the total number of suspensions nationwide reached 3.1 million, and the total number of expulsions reached 87,000.

http://www.aclu-il.org/legal/h...ts/zerotolerance.shtml

I blame Ed Meese for this! :laugh:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: n yusef
You guys are telling me that none of the girls in your schools took stuff Midol? I don't see why high schools need to monitor the legal drugs the students are taking.

Please think of the children. THE F-ING CHILDREN!

Id rather go after the parents that needlessly force powerful government stimulants down the throat of 10 yr old children so they concentrate on homework or not "act up".

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Hacp


Some private schools have even harsher Zero Tolerance Policies. When an area has drug problems and theres crystal meth going around the lunchrooms, something needs to be done.

How does some girl taking birth control pills have anything to do with meth?

 

[FaaR]

This is the craziest thing I read this year (all three months + change of it...) America, land of the free and the clueless school admins, it seems. Apparantly, only thing they show zero tolerance of is common sense.

How about they ban the illegal drugs only instead and otherwise stay out of individual students' business. Are they going to kick out that kid with allergies too because he had a reaction to peanuts and had to take his antihistamin medication? I just don't get it, who do they think they're helping this way?

 

[OCGuy]

Much of the blame does land on our ability to sue anyone for anything. Someone passes an asprin to her friend, the off chance they take too many or get sick, the school gets sued and settles.

 

[Orsorum]

My sister went to that high school, they never seemed too bad when she was there.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Personally, I would rather have my teenage daughter take a pill than pop one out.

By putting a blanket "Zero tolerance" on all drugs, including OTC and prescription, they are basically saying that they do not have the ability to distinguish between someone taking an Advil, and someone taking 12 Coricidin to get a DXM trip, and punish them accordingly.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/...R2009040402591_pf.html


"When a Fairfax County mother got an urgent call from school last month reporting that her teenage daughter was caught popping a pill at lunchtime, she did not panic. "It was probably her birth-control pill," she thought. She was right.

Her heart dropped that afternoon in the assistant principal's office at Oakton High School when she and her daughter heard the mandatory punishment: A two-week suspension and recommendation for expulsion."

In a society where we encourage filing lawsuits over literally _everything_, you're going to have some that just stop making judgments and follow the letter of the rules. Sucks, but I can't blame the school for the lawsuit-happy culture we live in. In this situation, the school would not be the one to blame, right? The parents would have to sue those who created the rules, not those who enforce them.

I'm sure the principle is holding to the position of passing the blame on to someone else. Again, in today's culture I can't really blame him.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Come on guys you just don't get it. We can't have high schoolers making the sexy time, right? The only way to fix the problem is to get rid of the birth control. No birth control, no sexy time.

:thumbsup:

High five!

This is another side affect of the war on drugs on overdrive. "The children, the children..think of the children!!" can be used in many ways - for good or bad.

It's not really all that different than charging teenagers with child pornography for sending photos of their bf/gf. Teenagers will always end up doing what they want to do, there is no way to suppress that kind of behavior and trying to legislate teenage rebellion in its various guises will never yield positive results.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: OCguy
Personally, I would rather have my teenage daughter take a pill than pop one out.

By putting a blanket "Zero tolerance" on all drugs, including OTC and prescription, they are basically saying that they do not have the ability to distinguish between someone taking an Advil, and someone taking 12 Coricidin to get a DXM trip, and punish them accordingly.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/...R2009040402591_pf.html


"When a Fairfax County mother got an urgent call from school last month reporting that her teenage daughter was caught popping a pill at lunchtime, she did not panic. "It was probably her birth-control pill," she thought. She was right.

Her heart dropped that afternoon in the assistant principal's office at Oakton High School when she and her daughter heard the mandatory punishment: A two-week suspension and recommendation for expulsion."

In a society where we encourage filing lawsuits over literally _everything_, you're going to have some that just stop making judgments and follow the letter of the rules. Sucks, but I can't blame the school for the lawsuit-happy culture we live in. In this situation, the school would not be the one to blame, right? The parents would have to sue those who created the rules, not those who enforce them.

I'm sure the principle is holding to the position of passing the blame on to someone else. Again, in today's culture I can't really blame him.

Girl should get pregnant and sue the school for stopping her taking her birth control

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
stupid people in charge

Which is another way of saying government.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
When was zero tolerance first used in schools?

Zero tolerance became more prevalent in school discipline after falling from favor in areas of law enforcement. In 1989, schools in both New York and California began adopting zero tolerance policies. By 1993, policies had been adopted by school districts all across the country to deal with drugs, tobacco, weapons, and general school disruptions. In 1994 President Bill Clinton signed into law the Gun-Free Schools Act, which mandates a minimum one-year expulsion for students who are found possessing any weapon. By 1996 more then 75% of school districts in the country had some sort of zero tolerance policy on the books. Local school districts have broadened the scope of zero tolerance to include threats and swearing, as well as any sort of insubordination or ?defiance of authority.? In 1998 the total number of suspensions nationwide reached 3.1 million, and the total number of expulsions reached 87,000.

http://www.aclu-il.org/legal/h...ts/zerotolerance.shtml

[/quote]

So it really started in New York and California schools? Damn those red states!

 

[Triumph]

You know how you stop this sort of bullshit? Go to school board meetings. Go to town hall meetings. Go to city council meetings. Everyone complains about the federal government, but your local government has so much more effect on your daily life, yet so much less involvement by the common man.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Can girls in private catholic schools take birth control pills in class?

At lunch != in class. In my opinion, she should have every right to take any legal drug in whatever recommended dosage.

 

[AreaCode707]

Only reason I could think of that this reaction makes sense is...

Some kids bring bad drugs to school in Rx drug bottles
School officials have no way of knowing whether the med the kid just took from an Rx drug bottle is legit
Therefore kids are not allowed to take Rx drugs on campus

That actually makes some amount of sense. Can't truly tell what they're taking so you make a rule that nobody can take anything.

Now, as others have suggested, this would be a completely moot point if they allow the kids to take Rx meds in a controlled environment and still had a "no tolerance" policy on the campus itself (meds are kept under nurse control or something, kids come to a particular place and take them.)

I think it's as stupid as anything that she got suspended for this, but after pausing to think about it I could see a possible chain of events that makes it somewhat understandable. They should stagger the punishments though; a few days if your parent vouches for you, a longer period if you were taking actual bad drugs.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Its called a Zero Tolerance Policy. Some people will get hurt, but overall, it benefits society. The students will just have to suck it up. Or just switch schools.

Zero tolerance policies benefit no one accept administrators. The benefit for them: the ability to not have to think, ever.

 

[Ackmed]

While its idiotic to suspend over this. Its also idiotic to be taking it at school, in front of people trying to be cool.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Hacp
Its called a Zero Tolerance Policy. Some people will get hurt, but overall, it benefits society. The students will just have to suck it up. Or just switch schools.

Zero tolerance policies benefit no one accept administrators. The benefit for them: the ability to not have to think, ever.

Most public schools don't require it of the children.. why should the staff be any different?

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
stupid people in charge

Which is another way of saying government.

Which is to say bible thumping religious fanatics who think they know what's best for your child. There are girls who take birth control to regulate their menses. But everybody knows there's a secret ingredient in those pills that makes them drop their pants and kill babies!

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Gotta love the gov't school system...

I was just wondering about this: did public schools become so dysfunctional in rational decision making because the administration is so afraid of liability and lawsuits?

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Gotta love the gov't school system...

I was just wondering about this: did public schools become so dysfunctional in rational decision making because the administration is so afraid of liability and lawsuits?

I don't think it's that. It's just that people that get into administrative positions are morons. Parents don't care enough to go to school board meetings and stuff, and thus the morons are free to do whatever moronic things they feel like.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: JKing106
Which is to say bible thumping religious fanatics who think they know what's best for your child.

I think that this particular drug policy has to do more with lawyers and lawsuit happy parents than anything religious.

 

[lupi]

ah, that good ole conservative area of northern virginia.

 

[piasabird]

So why cant you take your birth control pills at home?