Girl May Be Expelled For Taking Birth Control On Campus

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Gotta love the gov't school system...

:roll:

Well who is responsible then for this stupid policy? I'll go even further.. so much for our government school system bought and paid for by the unions.

Lol, you're worse than Winnar:laugh:

Again, who is responsible then if not for them? Bush? Cheney? Karl Rove?

Voters. The idiots who sue the schools for not acting like parents. The idiots who sue the schools for punishing Kid 1 for passing out Oxycodone but not Kid 2 for taking an aspirin for a headache.

This is not "the government". This is just the inevitable result of having stupid people in charge.

ZV

On point.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This kind of thing grinds my fvcking gears. It's why I will be continually on a hair-trigger when my kids get in the public school system, ready to drop the hammer on private schooling if too much of this sort of sh*t poisons their ideas about common sense.

The public school system thinks it owns kids and can do whatever the hell the union (read: invulnerable) administrations and teachers want to do.

Some private schools have even harsher Zero Tolerance Policies. When an area has drug problems and theres crystal meth going around the lunchrooms, something needs to be done.

Exactly. Call the police, and have them arrested for possession of a scheduled substance.

 

[pmv]

I had zero tolerance for school.

Seriously it sounds as if the problem is really the legal system that would allow schools to be sued if some idiot kid took a drug while in class. Beyond a very limited level its not the teacher's job to stop kids being idiots, not as far as a tiny, hard to notice, thing like popping a pill is concerned. A teachers job is to teach. If a kid _did_ want to take an illegal drug, there's plenty of opportunity to do it without being seen by a teacher so what is this zero-tolerance policy really going to accomplish in terms of stopping illegal drug use?

I'd hate to be a diabetic there, that's for sure - 'shooting up' in class, that would go down well.

There wasn't really a drug problem at my school, though kids did used to set fire to themselves with lighter fluid in class. Does this school have a zero-tolerance policy towards self-combustion? I bet they missed that one.

 

[halik]

And you wonder why people opt out for private schools...

edit:
Yes, private schools do have zero tolerance policy when it's actual drugs (aka the student gets thrown out), now when it's birth control pills. Think of it as common sense encouraged by capitalism.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: senseamp
The problem is that if some kid brings some illegal drugs into school and ODs or passes them along, the school could be hit with a major lawsuit, regardless of whether it is private or public school.
Hence the zero tolerance policies. What is to stop a girl from putting narcotics in birth control dispenser? So I am not sure it's a bad policy to ban this, my problem is more with the extent of the punishment.

How does a Zero Tolerance policy stop someone from bringing narcotics on campus if they wanted?


Why not punish the people who bring narcotics on, and not the people with a legitimate purpose? Why one-size-fits-all?

Because teachers and school administrators have no real way of knowing the difference between legit and non-legit, and therefore have to treat them the same. While I think 3chordcharlie's proposal is superior, it could be cost/time prohibitive, and definitely puts more burden on the school to administer. The real discussion should be about whether that is an appropriate burden for the school to carry. I say yes.

Yeah they do, BC are prescription pills, take a look at the prescription and that should be that.

Besides, you can lace just about any food with whatever you like, what's next, ban food?

This is just stupid.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: senseamp
The problem is that if some kid brings some illegal drugs into school and ODs or passes them along, the school could be hit with a major lawsuit, regardless of whether it is private or public school.
Hence the zero tolerance policies. What is to stop a girl from putting narcotics in birth control dispenser? So I am not sure it's a bad policy to ban this, my problem is more with the extent of the punishment.

How does a Zero Tolerance policy stop someone from bringing narcotics on campus if they wanted?


Why not punish the people who bring narcotics on, and not the people with a legitimate purpose? Why one-size-fits-all?

Because teachers and school administrators have no real way of knowing the difference between legit and non-legit, and therefore have to treat them the same. While I think 3chordcharlie's proposal is superior, it could be cost/time prohibitive, and definitely puts more burden on the school to administer. The real discussion should be about whether that is an appropriate burden for the school to carry. I say yes.

Yeah they do, BC are prescription pills, take a look at the prescription and that should be that.

Besides, you can lace just about any food with whatever you like, what's next, ban food?

This is just stupid.

No they don't. You're assuming that the teacher/admin even knows WTF the pills look like. Not every drug store prints on the bottle a description of the pill. What stopping some kid to take a bottle in their name and fill it with something else. Are we gonna send teachers to pharmacy training or provide them a handbook to know what drug is what?

its not like as if this school didn't allow students who need medication to take them. Students who require medication just have to have them filed with the nurse.

What are students gonna lace the food with? Drugs? dirt?

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: silverpig
1. I feel sorry for the diabetic kid who needs his insulin.
2. I feel sorry for the asthmatic who needs an inhaler
3. Caffeine is a drug. I guess no one is allowed to drink coffee either.

1 and 2 should be covered by the school's existing policies. Usually, you would either need a waiver signed by a doctor and your parents and then handed into the school which would give you permission to self-medicate, or you give your medicine to the school nurse (at the beginning of the school year), who will then supervise its distribution to you.

3 - caffeine isn't a controlled substance.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Gotta love the gov't school system...

:roll:

Well who is responsible then for this stupid policy? I'll go even further.. so much for our government school system bought and paid for by the unions.

Robber barons and their political minions- too easy!

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
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3 - caffeine isn't a controlled substance.

yes it is -it is controlled by coca cola amatil pty ltd!