Girl, 15, 'shot dead by man, 48, who opened fire on teens in a blind rage after they

[alkemyst]

I'll spell it out for you:

1) You post "Seeing people destroying my vehicle wouldn't have me shooting first although I am allowed to."

2) I post (perfectly kindly) "Florida allows you to step out of your house if people are vandalizing a car in your driveway and shoot them to death? I doubt it."

3) You post (rudely) "You really don't get these topics. So just take a seat."

4) I then destroy you in posts 49, 50 spelling out exactly how you are 100% wrong.

5) You then change the goalpost with this "If I come out to my vehicle in the middle of the night and see a gang attacking my property and have the fear that they are now going to attack me", which neither happened in the original case, nor in the first post in which I corrected your understanding of the law

6) You subsequently call me a troll

7) I destroy you again by calling your bluff and inviting you to a troll-off; whoever loses goes away forever

8) You act like a little bitch

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This is why you are roundly mocked in most of your threads and why people call you an internet tough guy. You can't be taken seriously.

So I take it you're not going to step up when challenged on the poll thread?

I'm not surprised. I didn't expect you to take it because you know you'd lose, just like you lost in this dialogue. You started it, I finished it; pick your battles better next time, lest you want to be humiliated further. I am sure I'll get PMs from people who enjoy this thread, now that it's in my sig.

PS - a 12 year old just whipped you

You are hoping the bandwagon carries these idiotic arguments.

You are the definition of a coward.

Good luck with OT votes.

I am going to watch a movie with a real life girl.

Go and enjoy this. With your PMs.

lol, post your badass self up since you love callouts.

Do Granimals!

 

[Doppel]

You are hoping the bandwagon carries these idiotic arguments.

You are the definition of a coward.

Good luck with OT votes.

I am going to watch a movie with a real life girl.

Go and enjoy this. With your PMs.

lol, post your badass self up since you love callouts.

Do Granimals!

So that's a no on the challenge?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Where's the poll?

 

[Doppel]

Where's the poll?

alkemyst is too scared to go with the challenge, so there isn't one unfortunately.

 

[madoka]

no, you're biased by the fear of our country, into believing that we're somehow the most horrible, the most dangerous country in the world. you somehow fail to see that despite idiots like you, countries aren't all that dissimilar. and despite all evidence to the contrary, you still believe that guns have some correlation with violent crime.

but hey, it's fine if you keep thinking that. stay out of our country. and no, your opinion is not relevant here.

What's funny are some of the comments in the original article left by Brits, like this:

"And we live in a veritable utopia don't we! People young and old walk the streets unafraid, whistling a happy tune with gumdrop smiles. There's no crime in our gun-less paradise. We don't fear being shot, stabbed, beaten or burned to death. Nobody ever complains about police incompetence or brutality. Yes, come America, follow our example. We are without doubt the poster country for a progressive, crime free, socially responsible, morally upstanding society. Didn't you see the riots?!"

I don't post much, but I have noticed that Hal9000 is opinionated moron. Like how he posts on and on about exotic cars, but in real life he is a kid who rides around on a bicycle.

 

[Perknose]

Doppel & alkemyst, please listen up: Stop this interfight now. No more in this thread.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[alkemyst]

edit...missed mod quote

 

[Newell Steamer]

Pull a prank - get shot.

Throw popcorn - get shot.

Knock on someone's door looking for help after a car crash - get shot.

Play loud music - get shot.

Inspect a shack that was built on your property - get shot.

I wonder when the crazies will start shooting one another??

 

[TerryMathews]

Pull a prank - get shot.

Throw popcorn - get shot.

Knock on someone's door looking for help after a car crash - get shot.

Play loud music - get shot.

Inspect a shack that was built on your property - get shot.

I wonder when the crazies will start shooting one another??

They already are. See Chicago.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

We were talking about this at work and I can't help but feel a little sociopathic to the situation...

People need to learn to respect each other and their property. Both parties are guilty in my mind. The guy was an idiot for stepping outside and shooting someone who was A. Fleeing and B. No threat to his life. The girl was an idiot for even taking part in the situation and vandalizing someone's car (Mayo, Eggs, and Leaves....really?).

If she would have stayed home and not been out at that hour being an idiot she would probably still be alive. Now I know "kids will be kids" and I'd have more of an issue if they were shot while TPing a house since that is a harmless act other than being messy...but I know the damage that eggs can do to a car, and also know how protective people can be of their cars.

Maybe her friends will learn from this and not be so quick to do things that are risky and could threaten their lives if they run across the wrong person.

Things to live by:

• Don't be an ass to people you don't know
• Don't mess with other people's property
• Don't kill someone that is/was not a threat to you

Darwin always wins in the end.

 

[desy]

Blame the victim! cause for sure the response was appropriate
Also considering it was his teenage son who started the pranking in the first place

 

[dainthomas]

We were talking about this at work and I can't help but feel a little sociopathic to the situation...

People need to learn to respect each other and their property. Both parties are guilty in my mind. The guy was an idiot for stepping outside and shooting someone who was A. Fleeing and B. No threat to his life. The girl was an idiot for even taking part in the situation and vandalizing someone's car (Mayo, Eggs, and Leaves....really?).

If she would have stayed home and not been out at that hour being an idiot she would probably still be alive. Now I know "kids will be kids" and I'd have more of an issue if they were shot while TPing a house since that is a harmless act other than being messy...but I know the damage that eggs can do to a car, and also know how protective people can be of their cars.

Maybe her friends will learn from this and not be so quick to do things that are risky and could threaten their lives if they run across the wrong person.

Things to live by:

• Don't be an ass to people you don't know
• Don't mess with other people's property
• Don't kill someone that is/was not a threat to you

Darwin always wins in the end.

If someone put mayonaise, eggs, and leaves on my car I would probably mutter "damn kids" under my breath, hose it off, then go about my day. If I found out it was because my dimwit kid had f'ed with their car, I'd tell him to stop f'ing with other people's stuff.

I honestly can't think of the mental leap I would have to take to conclude "well, I better shoot them all".

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If someone put mayonaise, eggs, and leaves on my car I would probably mutter "damn kids" under my breath, hose it off, then go about my day. If I found out it was because my dimwit kid had f'ed with their car, I'd tell him to stop f'ing with other people's stuff.

I honestly can't think of the mental leap I would have to take to conclude "well, I better shoot them all".

It was 1am and I don't think the man knew what the kids were doing to the car. He may have thought they were trying to steal the car.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm not a gun owner, and I disagree. It is worth preserving.

Really? Why so?

Yeah! A stupid ol' rule. Like the 16th amendment and the 5th amendment and a bunch of other ones! Let's just start throwing out all those silly old rules we don't like!

I don't really know what half your amendments are, but the fact that they are amendments means that the constitution can be amended, and it some circumstances (like where thousands of people are dying) it makes sense to amend.

 

[dainthomas]

It was 1am and I don't think the man knew what the kids were doing to the car. He may have thought they were trying to steal the car.

As they were driving away? Worst car thieves ever.

Even still, I have insurance.

 

[HAL9000]

gun deaths are still *just* deaths. It's ridiculous to hold gun deaths as somehow more heinous (and more worth attempting to prevent) than stabbings and any other form of murder/manslaughter. And guess what, with all forms of homicide thrown into the mix, the USA (probably) doesn't rank significantly higher than the UK. (due to differences in counting methodologies, it's impossible to get a completely accurate assessment of how many murders occur. In the UK, a death is only counted as a murder if a trial results in a conviction.)

Well based on the statistics I've read, America is actually quite ahead of the UK in terms of homicides. Of course you can't completely compare the two countries, so you're better off comparing it to somewhere like canada. Where the mentality around guns is completely different and they have a significantly smaller percentage of gun deaths per year, and homicides in general.

Makes sense to me that a death is only counted as murder if a trial results in a conviction does it not to you?

no, you're biased by the fear of our country, into believing that we're somehow the most horrible, the most dangerous country in the world. you somehow fail to see that despite idiots like you, countries aren't all that dissimilar. and despite all evidence to the contrary, you still believe that guns have some correlation with violent crime.

You are no where near the most dangerous country in the world (to your citizens that is) Guns do have a correlation with violent crime.

If the criminals have guns, the police have guns, if both those groups have guns then joe average wants a gun, if all those people have guns and small things happen then people pull the trigger without thinking and people die. The problem with firearms being own by individuals is that it takes a nano second to decide to kill someone, even if that someone is your child out of bed in the night making noises in the dark.

but hey, it's fine if you keep thinking that. stay out of our country. and no, your opinion is not relevant here.

I don't think I will stay out of your country, I'll be back soon enough, spent three months there in 2010 and I'll probably come back for something.

My opinion is as relevant as yours is. This forum doesn't say "Merican's only" on the door, so I think I'll put my point of view across wherever I feel the urge. If it upsets you so much that people have an outside perspective on the laws your country puts in place, then can I suggest you don't engage them in conversation.

 

[peonyu]

Definitely uncalled for to shoot her, but it makes you wonder how many other "pranks" he has been a victim of. If he was being continually harassed then maybe this was the last straw...

Also car damage falls under vandalism imo and thats far more serious than simply egging a house which you can hose off. Scratch a new car's paint and it can cost a few hundred to a few grand to fix, not to mention that alot of kids who do that kind of crap would have no aversion to more serious "pranks" such as sugar in the gas tank etc, which again could cost money to fix.

 

[Tweak155]

These people who think you can just hose off the egg... have you had your car egged? You'd be extremely lucky if all you needed was a hose.

I'm not saying this guy's actions are justified (they're not), but don't trivialize what actually happened.

 

[smackababy]

These people who think you can just hose off the egg... have you had your car egged? You'd be extremely lucky if all you needed was a hose.

I'm not saying this guy's actions are justified (they're not), but don't trivialize what actually happened.

If it just happened, you can clean it off without much damage IIRC. However, it it happens at night and you don't notice until in the morning, it does real paint damage. Does that make it okay for him to shoot at them? Well, that really depends on where they were. If they were in the act of doing it, I believe Arkansas law says it is justified. If they were fleeing, he will get second degree murder. Either way, since nobody involved was white, this won't be an issue (unless the judge or prosecutor are white, then we will hear a big stink if he is convicted).

 

[dainthomas]

These people who think you can just hose off the egg... have you had your car egged? You'd be extremely lucky if all you needed was a hose.

I'm not saying this guy's actions are justified (they're not), but don't trivialize what actually happened.

If I caught someone keying my truck, I would not shoot them. Of course, I'm not a psychopath like the guy in the article. Hopefully he'll be in prison for multiple decades.

 

[l33tFuzzyLogic]

>313,000,000 people in the USA. Yes, there are going to be idiots. Doesn't mean the country's laws should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Doppel]

If it just happened, you can clean it off without much damage IIRC. However, it it happens at night and you don't notice until in the morning, it does real paint damage. Does that make it okay for him to shoot at them? Well, that really depends on where they were. If they were in the act of doing it, I believe Arkansas law says it is justified. If they were fleeing, he will get second degree murder. Either way, since nobody involved was white, this won't be an issue (unless the judge or prosecutor are white, then we will hear a big stink if he is convicted).

Ark law was posted above. You can use deadly force to protect yourself/another, or stop a forcible felony. Even this even in the act doesn't appear to qualify as a forcible felony. I haven't seen any state criminal code that would tolerate shooting these people, outside of Texas.

 

[smackababy]

Ark law was posted above. You can use deadly force to protect yourself/another, or stop a forcible felony. Even this even in the act doesn't appear to qualify as a forcible felony. I haven't seen any state criminal code that would tolerate shooting these people, outside of Texas.

Use of deadly force is permitted if a “person reasonably believes the use of deadly physical force is necessary to prevent the commission of arson or burglary by a trespasser.”

Now, what are the Arkansas definitions of burglary and trespasser might come into play, and I'd have to do more research to find though.

So, if the kids were on his property, doing anything to his vehicle, that could easily fit into trespasser AND he could reasonably believe they were attempting to buglarize his car. If the witnesses can prove otherwise (they were fleeing, for example), he murdered them.

 

[smackababy]

If I caught someone keying my truck, I would not shoot them. Of course, I'm not a psychopath like the guy in the article. Hopefully he'll be in prison for multiple decades.

If it was at night, and I had come out of my house (with a gun) and witnessed some people around my car, I'd probably assume they were going to steal it. Now, I wouldn't automatically shoot them (I'd give a verbal command to 'get down or I'd shoot') and if they did anything other than get on the ground or immediately run opposite of the sound of my voice, I would shoot them.

 

[Jaepheth]

The shooter, one Vincent Vega, was quoted as saying, "It was worth them doing it, just so I could catch them doing it."


In all seriousness though, people need to learn some self control. Both adolescents and adults need to not let their whims or their emotions dictate their actions.