I don't follow. I described the fact that i like logitechs for their power, but dislike them because of their lack of proper sound reproduction, and the fact that i like the klipsches for their sound reproduction (except the sub, which even at moderate volumes and at initial quality, never reaches the true low end that a sub should reach), but dislike them due to their lack of power, and the fact that the initial quality soon deteriorates to utter garbage. I never said I preferred one system over the other. I don't value power so much that i will ignore a lack of quality, and i don't value quality so much that i will ignore a lack of power.
Ok, then who said the following:
"looking for a set of computer speakers that won't utterly disappoint me... haven't found them yet. Logitech has come close (I like the sub fairly well, but the satellites can't keep up).....
waits for someone to tell me the Klipsch systems are good... go on, do it. "
If Klipsch can't put out enough volume for you, we can deduce one of the following, you're deaf, you are in a giant room (shouldn't matter you still shouldn't be 20ft from your desk), or you listen at volumes well beyond what any music listener would.
Indeed....
Mabye he likes to listen to his mp3's during sunbathing in the backyard 20 yards away and through a few walls.... and 105db just does not cut it
Yes, I said that the Logitech system somes close... at which point, I also said that I like the sub only fairly well, and that the sats dont keep up. My point about the Klipsches is and has been that they deteriorate so much as to be a serious problem, causing them to sound awful. The Logitechs never sound as good overall as the Klipsches can, but they also keep the same level of quality over time. I don't necessarily prefer one set over the other, in fact I would not likely buy either set again... but based on the overall quality issues that plague the Klipsches, I would have to say the Logitechs would be the better investment, if those two systems were the only options. Not because they have a better sound, but because they don't crap out the way the Klispches do. If I could have new Klipsches every month or so, I'd probably take that deal... Even with the disappointing sub. However, given my complaints with both systems, I have decided to set up a true HT surround-sound package, using quality speakers and subs. From what I've heard/seen, the HT solutions from Klipsch are actually quite nice... I'm thinking of going that route, unless the expense proves to be too much.
As far as the volume comment, I am not about to be faulted for wanting my speaker systems to play at high volumes *with clarity*. Again, the Logitechs suffer, but so do the Klipsches. I am not always going to be huddled in front of my system, with the speakers sitting within 5 feet of me. At those distances, either system can definitely get more than loud enough. But in a situation like the one I have, where I have a slightly larger listening area to fill, I want a sub that can transfer its frequencies powerfully throughout the entire space, especially when listening to bass-heavy music, and I want my sats to be able to keep up with that, especially when I'm listening to rock/country music. (Country music is hell on either of these systems, by the way.) I happen to enjoy giving my eardrums a thrashing from time to time. In addition, there are various parts of some movies (LOTR, for example) that have certain frequencies I miss with the Klipsch sub. After listening on the Logitechs, I played the movie through on the Klipsches and there are a few scenes where the sub either does not reproduce the sound, or simply belches it out with that lovely distorted "whuff" that comes from its poorly designed enclosure.
Keep in mind that this is coming from somebody that just dropped $650 on speakers for a Tacoma pickup cab, and came away unsatisfied with the sound... And that is one small space to fill with sound.
I'm not one of those people who thinks you have to spend at least 50 grand before you can claim you have a decent audio system, but few people would consider a $650 car audio system reference quality.
Nor would they consider a $400-500 home audio system to be reference quality. However, it should be satisfactory, at least.
LOL, If you dropped $650 on Car Speakers and were unsatisfied then $500 on a Home Audio System isn't going to be satifactory unless you got ripped off on them Car Speakers or bought them blown!
Yes. That was my point.
Though I exaggerated my disappointment with the car system. It's decent enough, and probably worth the price I paid. And, most importantly, it can accurately reproduce every piece of music I've played through it. It's just got some problems at extremely high volumes, which I can deal with until I get some more cash. And that system hasn't turned into an unlistenable pile of trash, with buzzy and/or broken tweeters. And no, I didn't get "ripped off" on the car speakers, I bought what many people consider to be a great buy, and I didn't pay retail (They were new, I just got them at my buddy's employee discount.)
Maybe it was a bad parallel to draw, but it's the only one I've got. I just can't justify spending $500 on a system like that, is all... If it was priced at somewhere closer to $200 (retail) then I wouldn't necessarily have had the same expectations. But the $180 Klipsch 2.1s barely fill the shoes they're expected to fill, if at all. The last PC/Home Audio system I bought that was worth the money was back in '99/2000, when I paid $30 to upgrade to the Altec Lansing 2.1 system that was an option on my Dell. Those speakers worked great, especially for 30 bucks. And after I was done with them, I sold them to a friend of mine, and she's still very happy with them. Something like 35 watts total system power, but they absolutely rocked for 30 bucks. For $500, I would expect something exponentially better, and something that was similarly worth the price. Though perhaps, given my experience, that is asking too much.
How loud is extremely loud? if it is the levels I think it is then you are not listening to music how it was supposed to be listened to.
For $500 your expect something "exponentially better". This never happens in life EVER. Since when has a 50K car been more than 2x as good (probably rated on handeling and max speed) than a 25K car.
Since when is a P4 EE exponentially better than a P4 2.6? when the 2.6 is many times cheaper than the 2.6.
What you want is unrealistic and if you go through life with these expectations you will be always disapointed.
For $500 your expect something "exponentially better". This never happens in life EVER. Since when has a 50K car been more than 2x as good (probably rated on handeling and max speed) than a 25K car.
Since when is a P4 EE exponentially better than a P4 2.6? when the 2.6 is many times cheaper than the 2.6.
What you want is unrealistic and if you go through life with these expectations you will be always disapointed.
Well even if you had the cash, I doubt if even you could put together a similar or better set up and compare it to the Klipsch or Logi's given the materials time and Labor involved plus you haven't heard the CLabs yet (or have you?) Out of curiosity what Speakers are in that Tacoma of yours @ $650 discount price?
The best sounding speaker will sound sh8y if given terrible Acoustics.
The best sounding speaker will sound sh8y if given terrible Acoustics.
Wow I just realized I have a solution!
Buy both the logitechs and the klipschs and rig the klipsch sats to the sub/amp of the logitech unit!!!
VOILA, THX CERTIFIFIEDED GOODNESS!
Yes I know no such word exists but technically it's not THX certified so it can only be Certififieded. I define Certififieded as "having individual components that are part of another group of components that are certified but are not certified when put together by some bored geek"Of course the downside is that then you'd have a weaker klipsch sub plus poorer imaging sats from the logitech leftover. My solution is to give this to your little brother if you have one and tell him it's your own custom THX certifified system...just don't mention that it's the crappy one.
Hahaha...you know I wonder if anybody has ever tried that...I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work for you to swap sats over from the promedias...
Perhaps I have just created a monster...
I misspoke; I did not literally mean exponentially better, I know as well as anyone that that's never going to happen... But for a system that costs over 10 times more, I would expect something that sounds... oh, I dunno, twice as good? Three times? But even with 5 speakers, and two 8-inch subs, I can barely say the performance is double, and certainly not triple, what I got from two speakers that are smaller than the Klipsch sats, and a 4.5-inch "sub" (maybe it was 6.5, I don't really remember), and rated at a total system wattage less than a single ProMedia satellite.
Boston Pro 6.5s ($450/pair retail), off an Alpine amp pushing 50x4 ($250), from a 50x4 Pioneer head unit ($300). Again, not hi-fi, and I know it. I also don't have subs yet. Adding those (2x10, 500w JL Audio amp) will make my experience better, but I'm also examining the quality of the mids/highs on some types of music. The acoustics are probably not the best in my truck, but I have yet to spend any serious time trying to figure those specs out. This is a system in its infancy, and I don't mind spending time/money/effort to get it right. The same goes with my PC speakers. I've given up on any and all PC speaker systems, since they have clearly fallen short of my expectations. I'm putting together a system that will sound much better, and have a much higher degree of build quality than anything found in PC speakers. The cost is not an issue, as long as it sounds good. I object to the $500 I spent on the Klipsches, not because it is a lot of money, but because they sound like garbage.
Originally posted by: TekDemon
Wow I just realized I have a solution!
Buy both the logitechs and the klipschs and rig the klipsch sats to the sub/amp of the logitech unit!!!
VOILA, THX CERTIFIFIEDED GOODNESS!
Of course the downside is that then you'd have a weaker klipsch sub plus poorer imaging sats from the logitech leftover. My solution is to give this to your little brother if you have one and tell him it's your own custom THX certifified system...just don't mention that it's the crappy one.
Hahaha...you know I wonder if anybody has ever tried that...I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work for you to swap sats over from the promedias...
Perhaps I have just created a monster...
Heh... I've already done that. I've also tried using Y-connectors and running both full systems simultaneously. Close, but no cigar. Very close, though... Leading me to believe I can probably put something together for around $1000 that I can be reasonably satisfied with. At least, I hope I can. Gotta upgrade the actual PC itself pretty soon. (Pentium 3, baby!)
So the $650 wasn't just for the Speakers and on your PC it might very well be the Sound Card...Running a Y jack lessons the signal as I'm running the Logi's and Klipsch together as well as a pair of other Brands but I have 3 outs on my Audigy....6.2 sound and I can reverse the Sats when I feel like it. Plus I can not stress enough how important Acoustics esp with those people with sensitive hearing or always wanting better.
THX is defined differently between PC's and Home Thearter but one the main reason for the specs is so there is a stable Xover point and enough power for the Subs.
THX is defined differently between PC's and Home Thearter but one the main reason for the specs is so there is a stable Xover point and enough power for the Subs.
oh and as I said before I don't really think anybody can crank these to their full volume and keep their hearing...I mean how are you going to turn them off? You'll risk losing your hearing to get to the control pod. lol.
Anyway in reality I've been very impressed with these yamaha YST-MS50's...yes they're 1998 technology, but still hold up quite well...too bad Yamaha doesn't really gun after the PC audio market on the high end anymore =(
Maybe one day they'll come back with something real special to blow everybody away...900 Watt 9.1 Yamahas, lol...with a built-in 9.1 CAVIT processor!
Anyway in reality I've been very impressed with these yamaha YST-MS50's...yes they're 1998 technology, but still hold up quite well...too bad Yamaha doesn't really gun after the PC audio market on the high end anymore =(
Maybe one day they'll come back with something real special to blow everybody away...900 Watt 9.1 Yamahas, lol...with a built-in 9.1 CAVIT processor!
Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes.
$500 doesnt just pay for speakers with the PC systems, either... You also get an amp, sub(s), and a subwoofer enclosure. But add $50 for the sound card, if you like. $650/$550, and the car speakers sound much nicer... Again, without crapping out on me. This raises the point I made about build quality. Having said that, I'm still not sure what your point was.
I'm pretty sure signal degradation is why the Y-jacks didn't do it for me... Bcause you'd think that with 10 sats and 3 subwoofers, the sound would be good enough. And, while better, it wasn't good enough.
I agree, acoustics matter more than any other single factor when you're talking about the final sound of an audio system setup.
As for the THX spec... Sure, I'll buy that, but it's pretty much a meaningless distinction anyway. My self-styled HT system won't have the THX spec... Neither will my car system. And my car already sounds better than my computer. Without subs.
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