Gigabyte I-Ram, finally here

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Tostada

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Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
what is this?

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
What do you mean add ram? and how does a fast hard drive(especially this small) help?

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
What would this thing be ideal for?

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
Oh so it's like your using the actual memory as storage?

Holy brain-dead single-line posts!


Originally posted by: Googer
The iRAM has been for sale on the net for more than a month or two now, glad to see that you are just catching on.

They were on sale, but sold out everywhere very quickly.
 

Tostada

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Anyway...

I really want to get one of these, but I just don't see it as a practical design. You really have to get two in a RAID just to have enough space to be useful, and 12GB would certainly be nice if you're actually wanting to put the OS and your main apps on there.

Personally, my main system is on a DFI Ultra-D board, which only has two PCI slots, and putting two of these big things in there would probably block my extra SATA connectors.

This is a great idea, but there has to be a better package for it. There's just no reason for it to use a PCI slot. They could make a 5.25" drive bay module that fit up to 16 DIMMs and only needed a molex connector to charge the battery instead of using up an actual slot. That would be nice.
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: EODetroit
Jiggz,

I haven't yet done any quantitative measurements. Qualitatively, things feel slightly faster, level loading times are improved by some small amount, but more importantly are the reduction in "jerks" when the framerate goes real low for a split second.

Here's what I've been using it for: World of Warcraft and the Windows swap file. If you're looking for database measurements or something "more useful", I'm going to dissappoint you.

I have two I-Rams in a raid 0 config for 8GB. Contrary to what I've read in some places, I actually get within a few MBs of the full 8GB of storage, next to nothing is wasted on overhead.

WoW uses a bit more than 5 GB of space. I use a 2GB swap file. The rest is free space. Every time I swap out memory modules to test new ones, or even unplug the SATA connector and plug it back in, the Raid breaks and I have to re-create it, which wipes out all the data. I just copy the whole World of Warcraft folder from its usual location on my C drive to the I-Ram raid drive each time. Takes a few minutes to copy over, then I run it from that.

If anyone wants to know if its "worth the money" for WoW... I'd say "no". The worst bottleneck seems to be the WoW servers themselves, as it turns out. Yeah things are smoother, but 99.9% of people are going to have something better to spend $900 on.

Moving on, last night I did test the Giel sticks I borrowed from work. They are:

GeIL Value 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144322

They failed after a little while. They worked initially, but eventually the I-Ram kept getting errors. Considering that these Geil sticks have heat spreaders just like the OCZ that failed does, I'd say the heat spreaders are causing the memory to overheat. This is because when you snap them in, the heatspreaders are pressing against each other; its a tight fit. Some memory with heat spreaders probably wouldn't fit at all.


Thanks EOD! So there is a perceived improvement. That's all what I am after. I hate benchmarks which can tell you a lot of good stuff but then you can barely perceive the improvement. There's nothing like the real thing!
 

GrammatonJP

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I think of it as a toy, it'll definitely help with my adobe swap files.. trying to figure out a way to put the third one in.. maybe take out my slot cooler or something.. but I dont see myself spending more money on ram..

Basically I'm waiting till am2 comes out, Ill upgrade to DDR2, ill sell off my old mobo & cpu and keep the ram for this. I invested heavily on ram last year when 1gb was like 180.. prob by summer end, 1gb will drop to 50 or lower.. haha i wish.. but I do have 2 video editing machines that I use so I plan to use 2 card per pc.
 

EODetroit

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I guess one way would be to install them into a spare PC and run the SATA cables into another system I have Sata cables at work that are 3-4 feet long, so it should work... not pretty though. The lack of spare PCI slots is definately a problem. I can't run the two I-Rams and my Audigy sound card at the same time in my AMD system 'cause the DFI-SLI motherboard only has 2 PCI card slots. I have an MSI NF4 Ultra arriving today 'cause I really would never use SLI anyways and it has 4 PCI slots.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: GrammatonJP
I think of it as a toy, it'll definitely help with my adobe swap files.. trying to figure out a way to put the third one in.. maybe take out my slot cooler or something.. but I dont see myself spending more money on ram..

Basically I'm waiting till am2 comes out, Ill upgrade to DDR2, ill sell off my old mobo & cpu and keep the ram for this. I invested heavily on ram last year when 1gb was like 180.. prob by summer end, 1gb will drop to 50 or lower.. haha i wish.. but I do have 2 video editing machines that I use so I plan to use 2 card per pc.

am2?
 

batmanuel

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: GrammatonJP
I think of it as a toy, it'll definitely help with my adobe swap files.. trying to figure out a way to put the third one in.. maybe take out my slot cooler or something.. but I dont see myself spending more money on ram..

Basically I'm waiting till am2 comes out, Ill upgrade to DDR2, ill sell off my old mobo & cpu and keep the ram for this. I invested heavily on ram last year when 1gb was like 180.. prob by summer end, 1gb will drop to 50 or lower.. haha i wish.. but I do have 2 video editing machines that I use so I plan to use 2 card per pc.

am2?

You know, the new socket for the Athlon 64 X2s that supports DDR2 memory. Should provide a bit of a boost to the X2 (though probably not enough to best Conroe). There might even be enough memory bandwidth with dual channel DDR2 to support an X4 chip down the road, so it is probably worth waiting for.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: GrammatonJP
I think of it as a toy, it'll definitely help with my adobe swap files.. trying to figure out a way to put the third one in.. maybe take out my slot cooler or something.. but I dont see myself spending more money on ram..

Basically I'm waiting till am2 comes out, Ill upgrade to DDR2, ill sell off my old mobo & cpu and keep the ram for this. I invested heavily on ram last year when 1gb was like 180.. prob by summer end, 1gb will drop to 50 or lower.. haha i wish.. but I do have 2 video editing machines that I use so I plan to use 2 card per pc.

am2?

You know, the new socket for the Athlon 64 X2s that supports DDR2 memory. Should provide a bit of a boost to the X2 (though probably not enough to best Conroe). There might even be enough memory bandwidth with dual channel DDR2 to support an X4 chip down the road, so it is probably worth waiting for.

Dang! I live in the laptop world, maybe it's time to get a killer desktop...hehe.
 

aniruddha23

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Has anybody tried loading XP on this Dang thing. Man that me be quite a sight to see the boot times.

Anybody anybody?
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: aniruddha23
Has anybody tried loading XP on this Dang thing. Man that me be quite a sight to see the boot times.

Anybody anybody?

Yup. 9.12 second boot with XP :)
 

Kaido

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I just updated my RamDiskXP software to version 2.0. I've got 2gb on my laptop and I set aside 400 megs (399mb usable) as a ramdisk. I installed Adobe Reader 7...whoosh! It opens PDFs instantly! No more nasty wait times in Firefox. I'd forgotten how useful this software is :)
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: camara120
Kaido, you ever try Foxit PDF Reader?

Yeah, but it's not quite as good as Adobe's option. I used it for awhile, but then I started dealing with more PDF files, especially at work, and there is often missing information (a lot of engineering drawings converted to PDF would have info lost). I really liked it though!
 

her209

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Gigabyte needs to rerelease this using the U320 interface. That would own.
 

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That is amazing. I bet there will be people trying to overclock their hard drives now, lol.
 

GrammatonJP

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Seriously I dont know if those XP are stripped down or modify.. plain install, mine a8nsli never booted that fast.. even in raid 0 8 gb (2 iram)

even after adding all the drivers, i never saw 19 seconds..
 

GrammatonJP

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re-read the article, disable system restore, thats probably what I was NOT doing...

I do use it as boot, shutdown much faster.. love the unit..

A full install of Windows XP Pro can easily fit on a 4GB i-RAM and even on a 2GB i-RAM, but you have to be careful not to install applications into the C:\Program Files directory and disable System Restore for the i-RAM drive among other precautions. Why would you ever want to install your OS on an i-RAM card? We came up with two possibilities:
 

BirdDad

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Since this is on a SATA1.5 interface am I wrong to assume that 2 of these in RAID0 on a SATA3 would be twice as fast?I think that one on a 1.5 interface would completely fill it but my thinking is 2 on 3 would fill the 3 but be twice as fast as 1.5
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Also I think that this setup would be much faster than a quad SATA RAID0 hard drive setup even though the hard drives alltogether are much cheaper.
The Iram 2 is supposed to fit in a 5.25" bay but still has the SATA1.5 interface.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: alimoalem
i'll consider it when you can put 16+gigs on it and ram is $15-20 per gig

so that means never?
you are too funny today!
 

Kromis

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Oh man, if I ever move on to DDR2, I'll use my old DDR333 RAM on this shiznit!

I hope its as good as it gets.
 

T9D

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No one has these dang things in town yet. I wish some stores would carry them. Guess I'll have to order online.

And I really wish the people working at these stores would actually try to learn about new tech and keep up with what is happening in the industry. Not a single one of them even heard of an I-ram or had any idea what it was. It's kind of sad.
 

GrammatonJP

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Originally posted by: BirdDad
Since this is on a SATA1.5 interface am I wrong to assume that 2 of these in RAID0 on a SATA3 would be twice as fast?I think that one on a 1.5 interface would completely fill it but my thinking is 2 on 3 would fill the 3 but be twice as fast as 1.5
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Also I think that this setup would be much faster than a quad SATA RAID0 hard drive setup even though the hard drives alltogether are much cheaper.
The Iram 2 is supposed to fit in a 5.25" bay but still has the SATA1.5 interface.

IRAM2 specs can change any time..

IRam RAID 0 vs Single Drive