Gigabyte 7VRXP rev. 2.0?

RDMustang1

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I'm looking for a nice mobo for a new box I'm building... After looking at all the reviews it's a very tight race between the Asus A7V333, the MSI Ultra2, and the Gigabyte 7VRXP rev. 2.0. I'm leaning toward the gigabyte since it did win both Tomshardware.com and anand's review and it offers all the features I was looking for (except maybe onboard firewire). I've heard about the problems that people have had and was wondering two things:

Are there still known issues with the gigabyte rev. 2.0 motherboard?
I know the rev. 2.0 adds the ability to read the internal diode on the Palomino/Thoroughbred cpus, but can it be set up to automatically shut down when the readings are too high (as the Asus can)?

And help is greatly appreciate!

 

Excelsior

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Hey. I have a Gigabyte 7VRXP Rev 1.1 and I know exactly what you are talking about. The problems people are having concern Geforce 4s. I have yet to try one in my system, but I will very soon since a friend of mine has one. I love this board though. Very stable, and nice features. Go here for more info: Via Forums

Good luck!
 

Epik

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I got this mobo 7vrxp rev 1.1, in my opinion.. DON'T BUY IT! a lot of troubles with geforce4 ...
 

RDMustang1

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Originally posted by: Epik
I got this mobo 7vrxp rev 1.1, in my opinion.. DON'T BUY IT! a lot of troubles with geforce4 ...

1) The 1.1 version had problems at default voltage but every case I have read was able to easily fix it by increasing the voltage a very little bit.

2) I've heard the rev 2.0 board fixed that problem (but this I'm not 100% sure about)

Anyone with the rev. 2.0 having problems?
 

VTrider

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I've been waiting to get a GA-7VRXP almost since it was released now. I would feel pretty comfortable about buying it now, just as long as it's a revision 2.0 board. It's always wise to wait a while until all the bugs are ironed out from the initial revisions. Thing is, there are many people still giving this board negative feedback, based on old news.

If you do some searches you'll find that those probs that originally plagued the first versions seem to have been fixed. I'll be getting one shortly.

-VTrider
 

AntiAMD

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Going from experience with the GA-7VRXP (2100xp, didn't see the need to spend extra money for 5% more power with the 2200xp, 512mb 333mhz ram, GForce3)
rev 1.1. I bought the board to upgrade my 'aging' A7M266 (1.33ghz, 256mb DDR) after I read the tom's and anandtech reviews of it. Sounded good, and it would mark my first motherboard purchase that didn't include a flying horse sticker in it. First, the 'features'... Remember the good old days when we could buy a board that didn't have ANYTHING but an empty cpu and ram slot? Now all the boards have built in everything...

1) The built in sound is a joke, the price of a SB Live or Audigy is so low, most people that buy only a MB would likely have thier own sound (you know, one that supports front and back channels, things like EAX, the USEFULL stuff..)

2) The built in raid is a joke, if anyone uses this to actually attempt to have faster disk access via striping, they're sadly mistaken, a single drive benchmarks faster.

3) The built in ethernet is a joke, what are we supposed to do with the growing pile of now useless add in ethernet cards on our shelf?

4) The built in Dual Bios is a joke, if I did manage to get the primary bios infected with a virus (an event so unlikely, Abe Lincoln will be president again before I see that happen) the board won't boot on the secondary bios anyways.

5) The built in overheat protection is a joke, as in GigaByte boards do not support overheat protection, pitty if your cpu fan ever shuts down, AMD cpu's could fire reactors and power small midwestern towns with that heat.

So, for the hobbiest, these so called 'features' just add to the price of the product and give zero value for the dollar (tip for MB producers, drop the features, drop the price, you're numbers will be smaller at the end of the year, so your stock prices will drop or stay the same as the year before, thereby ticking off the shareholders, and after all, the shareholders are more important than the buyers, thereby telling me the 'tip' i gave you has fallen on deaf ears..)

The board is not stable (I'm not going to comment on the rev 2.0, I don't/never_will own one). WindowsXP is almost impossible to blue screen, yet the combo that I have can do it quite regularily. The chipset is a joke, I mean it doesn't exactly exude confidence in the product when you read that it has a problem if more than 2 sticks of ram are in it (even though my board has three slots, the third one is all for show and glamour). Or how about reading that your brand new (now obsolete thanks to ATI, YEAH BABY!) GForce 4 will likely not work so well with your new MB as your MB has 'issues' with it.

You know, I find it suspicious that with all the people that have had problems with the stability of this motherboard (and for more issues that I haven't mentioned) none of the people who benchmarked these boards (with this chipset) ever mentioned having trouble with them... In fact, AMD chipsets have always had stability problems, and they don't seem to get mentioned by the people benchmarking the things... I either want the boards they get for benchmarking made available for retail, or better yet, for them to come clean and tell us. AMD isn't God, and Intel ain't the devil.
 

Xtasy

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Dang antiamd, what are u looking for in mobo, 24k gold rock with a diamond? You dissed everything about the best amd mobo out there in most of the reviews. You dissed raid cause u said it was slower than a single drive. You dissed onboard sound cause it was not as good as a live! or audigy(i would understand if it was ac97 audio, but it is actually hardware creative pci audio, which can only be commendable nowadays with the ac97 crap everywhere). You dissed onboard ethernet because why?, because it didn't have 1000mbps support? or because it makes your pci network card useless? It's like you want all the features to be 100% perfect in order just for the motherboard to be good. Most mobos don't even come close to all these features. It even had usb 2.0 and firewire. If you are not a fan of built-in stuff, that's cool, but it was popular because it saves big $deniro$ if you don't want to buy a extra peripheral card for everything. If you add all the extra peripheral cards this mobo has built in ...

(price of component as a peripheral card)
usb 2.0 - $10 ~ $20
firewire - $10 ~ $20
creative 128 pci sound ~ $10
ata133 raid ~ $30
ethernet ~ $5

and it saves all those pci slots.


Anyways, this mobo is the best amd mobo overall, if you are more interested in hardcore overclocking (just a little more voltage than the 7vrxp, but the settings are really for frying stuff unless you have extreme cooling) and less in features, than the 8k3a(+) is the best.
 

woodcomp

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AntiAMD:

Seems to me you have issues with AMD, but you went from your aging A7M266 to this newer board with the 2100+. Why not buy you a Intel solution as you seem to favor them? Or do you just not have the cash for the Intel? You get what you pay for, but with the AMD you certainly get your money's worth from the product. If you are old enough to remember what boards used to cost you would appreciate all the features these newer boards have today, and the fact that you can free up slots for the most redundant parts. As I see it you are a whiner. Your entire post is nothing but a whiney complaining cry. There was no constructive critism at all to help the original post. If you do not require all the extra features why not by a stripped down board? There are plenty out there and they are half the price.

I would agree with the dual BIOS being worthless. I have used these dual BIOS Gigabyte boards and found them to be troublesome only when updating the BIOS. Seems after the updates it gets harder to choose which BIOS to boot the board with. If you choose one the secondary BIOS kicks in and it will be your older BIOS revision.

RDMustang1:

If the Gigabyte board does not work out for you, my personal favorite of the KT333 boards is the MSI brand of board. You get all the features plus lots of extra USB ports.
 

IQJUMPuw

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AntiAMD... how old are you?

Jeez... you sounded like a 5 yr old whinner. I very much doubt that you bought those AMD system... You just wanna bash this awesome motherboard. Your comments on those extra features are just... stupid... Please go somewhere else... maybe go to an elementary school and cry about it there, just not here.

The rev 2.0 fixed all those bugs from rev 1.1

It's a sweet board man. Loaded with features you need... It'll save you a great deal of money.

Have fun with your new mobo!
 

TurtleMan

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Yea i was building system too, but 7vrxp give me such a nightmare, there is a totaly of 55 returned board at newegg.com
that is a HUGE number for RMA motherboard, if you go to all the motherboard forum there is, many many problem with 7vrxp ... scary problems..
but on the other hand, almost all the review said this board is excellent, in my opinion, it is . Great price, very fast, and all the right future.

In my conclusion, this board is buy-it-at-your-own-risk , you have 50/50 chance of getting a good board,.
 

RDMustang1

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Onboard sound isn't the best but it's decent.. Won't be using it though because I have an audigy.

Onboard raid is one of the poorer excuses for raid yes, but again I won't be using it..

Onboard ethernet isn't the best but it works (I'm using a realtek ethernet card atm on my OTHER gigabyte km266 motherboard and I can get 9MB/sec between computers.. not that shabby since the max is 12.5MB/100mbps)..

Again, I haven't seen a single problem listed with the rev. 2.0 boards and both tom and anand gave the rev 1.0 board their top recommendation... If I do have a problem I can always RMA it and get a different one..

I liked this board because it had onboard ethernet and usb 2.0 and it got some top recommendations so I'll try it..

And yes, old motherboards used to have nothing but a place for ram and a cpu, but they cost a good $1000. Motherboards today are faster, smaller, better quality, and MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper. I also think it's funny how you mentioned the overheat protection which I'm pretty sure was not included in rev. 1.x boards (only rev. 2.x)... So, did you actually own this motherboard or did some gigabyte motherboard in the past piss you off because it had too many features for you?
 

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Isn't it nice when someone asks for user opinions on a board they are thinking about buying, and someone actually does give their opinion about the board (based on owner experience) and all the other people (including the guy who asked for the opinions in the first place) do is just flame the guy who gave the negative opinion (even though they all agree with what the negative opinion said)?
I mean come on, read what you guys said to me, did I call any of you names because you like the board? I am a 'whiner' cause I list deficiencies in the board. I am a '5 year old' because I have problems with my board and I listed them. I am a 'liar' because people read my post, agree with me that rev 1.1 doesn't have heat protection (which is what i said I owned in the first line) and say that rev2.0 has diode protection, "so, did you actually own this motherboard". I am 'too poor' to buy Intel. I expect 'gold and diamonds' in my motherboards because I list things _I_believe shouldn't be on the board and explain why....
I own this board, like so many others spent hard earned money on it, I and everyone else who bought it has _earned_ the right to complain if they have seen deficiencies. 4 out of 5 replies to my post attacked me as a person for having an opinion (thanks Turtle Man) they didn't want to hear..

Xtasy; You say it saves 'big $deniro$' by having those components built in. Well, let's go through your
list. USB2.0; to have this built into the 7vrxp, we did indeed buy an extra chip on the motherboard, as the vt8233a southbridge doesn't yet have this feature built into it, we bought the vt6202 chip (same chip as on add in cards) Firewire; well Xtasy, this feature isn't even on the 7vrxp, rev1.1 or rev2.0.
Creative pci sound; we paid for it, most of us will likely want EAX or 4+ channel support, so we have to pay again for another Creative product. ATA133 raid; not much to say about this one, it speaks for its own sorry self, as in the 'raid' part of it is slower than a single drive, the functionality of this chip as an extra IDE channel is limited (don't connect a 16x+ spin cdburner to it, it will only operate at 16x speed anyways. Besides, the vt8233a has ata133 built into it, but we paid for the sorry raid. Ethernet; I would have to say that most of us would already have this as an add in card, but again, we paid for it whether we use it or not. So, you add up all the 'features' (minus firewire, it doesn't have it) and you
have $55 ~ $75, if you dropped this from the price of the board, wow. (ps, I don't overclock, the added 5% increase in performance isn't worth the added instability, and wear and tear, again IMHO)

woodcomp; I must have done you wrong in another life and have to apologize for it, because why else would you attack me like that? I did buy an Intel product right after my 7vrxp purchase (still have the 7vrxp on my bookshelf, have to send it back to GigaByte for a new one, try that route anyways) The intel chipset I bought was the Asus P4T533-C, 2.26 ghz P4, 512mb 1066 kingston (I have my problems with this board having items built in I don't/will_not use, the only other issue I have with this board is that it doesn't auto-detect what kind of ram you put in...When I first put the system together, it wouldn't even give me the bios screen, which is strange because I witnessed the store POST it for me,
turns out they used pc800 ram, bios saved it that way and 1066 ram causes it not to boot, cleared the cmos, and it let me into the bios to save new ram settings as it had to be told I am using 1066 ram...)
So, is it whining when you agree with my dual bios comment?

IQJUMPuw; Not even worthy of a reply, except to say that your IQ can be JUMPed over uNDER wATER

RDMustang1; I listed sober second thoughts about all those supposed 'features' that you agree you have no use for but are going to pay for anyways (which is my problem as I stated) you even paid extra for USB 2.0 support as the south bridge doesn't yet have it built in, wait a bit longer and it will, which _should_ drop the price of the board, but likely won't. And you know, I've never paid $1000 for a motherboard, and you would be hard pressed to find me an example of *ANY* motherboard using a chipset since Triton/Triton2 that did cost that much that was meant for SOHO markets. Only recently has the trend been to make _ALL_ motherboards with all these built in 'features'. You were always able to find MB's that didn't have the 'features', now you cannot. And about the overheating thing, RDMustang1, please read the first line of my original post, then read you posts last few lines, I won't expect an apology, but please feel free to flame me as a person again, I mean I was only trying to help you out on your purchase by not giving you the 'rose colored glasses' review of the board, and for that I guess I owe you an apology, you didn't want the truth.
 

Xtasy

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I'm just saying you are blue among a sea of red. I have never came across a person that only had negatives for a mobo full of features. By what you said above, if you reviewed mobos, you would probably hand out negative scores. Yes dual bios may not work as it sounds like it should, but at least they did implement it. And by looking at all the features and the price of the mobo, i think gigabyte has a small profit margin. If i had the opportunity to use one of these mobos, i would be pleased that the pci sound and ethernet was there to save me money. You say that they should at least have EAX or its crap, but if you look at the current mobo situation, real pci hardware sound is a gem these days with the ac97 crap everywhere. It would have been nice if they used c-media audio instead, but you totally ridicule them for not having better. If you know you weren't going to use most of these features, then why did u buy it?! From what i hear, it seems that all you need is just some ecs kt333 mobo that has no features.
 

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Xtasy; you are totally missing my point with the 'features'. Yes it is true they get negative scores from me when they put all the add in _junk_ on their motherboards. The thing here is that the 7VRXP is Gigabyte's flagship motherboard, as in they don't make a better one for the athlon at this time. What Gigabyte (and all other MB makers) have done is turn their _flagship_ into an OEM board, as in OEM boards need all this stuff added in because the OEM market isn't interested in add in cards and therefore don't want to pay extra to pick and choose options. But then again, since when is the OEM market looking for flagship MB's? This is a recent push by the industry, add in all these 'features' as it looks good on reviews, I mean reviewrs have long looked at what features a MB had and graded it better because of it. This needs to change, MB's should be looked at not by how many useless features they have, but how well the actual guts of the system works. So now MB makers add in tons of useless 'features' to make up for shortcomings in other areas. Nobody reviewed OEM boards in the past, OEM boards had all these built in features. People that read reviews were tech savy, they wanted to pick and choose their parts, so 'featureless' boards were reviewed. Now all boards are OEM... And it all started with one company releasing their flagship MB with a built in 'feature' or two, scoring better because of it, soon they all did it. And yes Xtasy, any sound 'feature' on a flagship MB that doesn't support some form of EAX or even A3D just wouldn't cut it in my review, save the cheap sound for OEM boards, put in something with real features on the flagship or better yet, leave it off. Also, the 'dual bios' feature is something we pay for, but will likely never use, so why have it? I will say this though, Gigabyte's @bios utility works great, and is foolproof (now if they'd only make an update that would cure my problem board... :)

I bought the 7VRXP because of what I read on this web site and one other. I couldn't find a flagship MB from either Asus or Gigabyte (the only two MB's I'd ever buy) that didn't have all the _junk_ built into it or I would have purchased that one instead.

It's time for the reviews to go back to their roots, as in give us an honest opinion. In the past, the best reviewers were the ones that were the most critical of the products they were testing. They had high standards, and it drove the MB makers to make better products. Reviewers now-a-days are afraid to call junk _JUNK_.
 

RDMustang1

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I will appologize.. I shouldn't have attacked you when you were responding to my question...

Obviously there isn't a motherboard out there that you like because the gigabyte has some of the top features added onto it..

Also, the reason features are important is because if they weren't included you could not possibly get all the same features and a few that aren't on there onto one motherboard because it is limited to 6 pci slots. Lets see, say I wanted some features and had to add these to my computer:

A Video Card
a second video card
an ATA Controller
an additional ATA controller
a USB controller
a firewire card
a scsi card
a sound card
a modem
a lan card
a second lan card

wow, that's 10 addon cards to fit in an agp and 6 pci slots... not possible, so onboard stuff really does help, no?

Wait, those features sound unreasonable don't they? no computer would need all those cards.. oh wait, mine does. That's the features I have in my development box right now and that's what will be going on the gigabyte, except the gigabyte has many of those already and so I can fit all of the wanted features onto my motherboard... Also keep in mind that the gigabyte boards cost much less than most of the other top ranking motherboards available (especially compared to the very expensive asus).. It has extra features AND costs less, imagine that...

The one thing that I will agree with you on is that review sites need to do better testing (if they aren't finding compatability/stability problems) or else report any problems they find.. Believe me, I see that the Gigabyte won 2 top awards, I didn't decide right then to go out and buy it. Hell, I was convinced to buy the MSI's KT333 chipset motherboard for about a week, but after looking at available features and the newly revised gigabyte I decided to go with the gigabyte. In reality all that the review sites show me is a starting place to start my research and they do make nice little charts of the added features which do influence my decision as well (in this case the onboard lan really helped my decision toward gigabyte since that would've taken an extra pci slot and as you can see above mine are usually pretty full already).

Basically, features are nice, they don't really add to the total price of the motherboard, and you don't have to use them if you don't want to.. I appreciate your feedback, but this is a free country and I can disagree with you.

 

AntiAMD

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RDMustang1, why do you assume I don't like any of the motherboards that are out there (specifically the 7VRXP) as never once have I said I didn't like the motherboard, I have only pointed out its shortcomings. My board can't be used to judge the entire line, but there are enough boards like mine out there that Gigabyte did some serious work to _try_ and correct _known_ problems. Whether or not that worked, remains to be seen. I'll get a new board, it _should_ work, and I'll be able to use that computer again, of this I am sure. You wanted to buy one, I merely pointed out what others _should_ be telling you.

The more people look the other way and bash someone for calling it as it is, the more these guys who make the product can get away with. Gigabyte had to have known their board had issues before it became public, I mean they were the first out there with a kt333 MB, they rushed it and it shows. But in the process, they have caused the buying public inconvenience. My issue is also with the testers, they had multiple boards to test, they would have had the same problems, they never said anything, shame on you testers. No longer will I read their reviews and take it for granted that the product is good, their 'awards' are quite frankly, meaningless.

10 addon cards in a 'development' system, dude, you need a second computer ;) We can all make reasons why we need more, but you gave me yours and I will give you what I would do. If you are using that many devices in your computer (for development) your entire system has no choice but to be unstable, there are going to be IRQ/DMA collisions and that will bring down even WindowsXP.
Video cards (plural) why not just use an ATI or some other card that supports multiple monitors?
ATA controllers (plural) why not just use the existing 4 channel one that comes with all boards?
USB controller the chipset will usually have this built in, if VIA wasn't in a rush to release theirs...
Firewire there are other MB's that have this built in, but add in a card, what the heck.
SCSI Now we're talking, with multi-channel scsi, 15 devices per channel, this is the way to go, eliminates the need _totally_ for IDE, and it only takes up one IRQ, how perfect for stability.
Sound card Let's be real, my issue is with the MB makers putting crap sound on the board just to say they have it, why not use a chip that supports EAX or A3D at least?
Modem Well, we already paid for the USB, why not use it? USB modem to the rescue, mine works, and hey, empty slot.
Lan card for those that need more than one, this is alright, one is built in. For the rest of us, there is a device called a hub/router/switch (take your pick) that could eliminate most needs for a second card.

To have an equal setup, I would have one agp and 4 pci cards (firewire, scsi, sound, lan) and less chance of collision problems, thereby making the whole system more stable.

In fact the 'features' do add to the cost of the motherboard, the cost of all that is not negligable. The problem is Gigabyte adds these 'features' into the board and uses the cheapest parts they can source and you guessed it, none of them are worth using, but it looks good on reviewers papers. Promise has many good ide raid chipsets, why use the worst one in your flagship MB? Creative has much better sound chips than the one Gigabyte chose to cheap out on their flagship MB.
So when you use the cheapest parts, you can make the cheapest boards, but are you making the best boards? Gigabyte can do better, and they will have to to keep up with Asus. And it's problems like they're having that gives everything AMD a bad name, the cpu is decent enough, but everything around it screams REBOOT!
 

RDMustang1

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10 addon cards in a 'development' system, dude, you need a second computer ;) We can all make reasons why we need more, but you gave me yours and I will give you what I would do. If you are using that many devices in your computer (for development) your entire system has no choice but to be unstable, there are going to be IRQ/DMA collisions and that will bring down even WindowsXP.
Video cards (plural) why not just use an ATI or some other card that supports multiple monitors?
ATA controllers (plural) why not just use the existing 4 channel one that comes with all boards?
USB controller the chipset will usually have this built in, if VIA wasn't in a rush to release theirs...
Firewire there are other MB's that have this built in, but add in a card, what the heck.
SCSI Now we're talking, with multi-channel scsi, 15 devices per channel, this is the way to go, eliminates the need _totally_ for IDE, and it only takes up one IRQ, how perfect for stability.
Sound card Let's be real, my issue is with the MB makers putting crap sound on the board just to say they have it, why not use a chip that supports EAX or A3D at least?
Modem Well, we already paid for the USB, why not use it? USB modem to the rescue, mine works, and hey, empty slot.
Lan card for those that need more than one, this is alright, one is built in. For the rest of us, there is a device called a hub/router/switch (take your pick) that could eliminate most needs for a second card.

I have no stability issues in any of my computers, even ones packed with 'features'... And please stop saying that WinXP is so hard to crash and so stable, it's just not true. Maybe for you but overall it is no better than Win2k... (Just to add, I hate WinXP, I would take Win2k over it any day of the week.. My average uptime is around 4-6 weeks on Win2k and it would be MUCH higher except I like to tinker on stuff and most of my tinkering involves turning off the computer.. Last time one of my computers crashed must have been close to 2 years ago on Win2k, but of course OS debates is another story)...

I use two dualhead matrox g450's for quad monitors
while my new system will not be packed full of drives as my current system is, additional ata cards were necessary for the 10 ide hard drives (and 4 scsi hard drives) I had in there
The dual lan cards are necessary because the computer is on two subnets (which is needed)...

The other issues were mostly in responce to your remark where motherboards should have no added on features since they are not OEM boards. While yes, many motherboards have them onboard, apparently they are not up to par for YOU and thus you cannot use them and would have to substitute add-on cards to please your needs. The main point in following up this was to show you how absurd it would be to continue producing motherboards today with no features... And as to why they don't put decent sound on, I really can't say since I don't produce motherboards but I imagine it is because they do not want to raise the cost and for most people the added 'features' would be more than enough. Please note that manufacturers produce products for the masses, not the individual. If their design pleases the majority of users then they are doing what is best for their clientel. Just because you want surround sound doesn't mean the majority of computer buyers want surround sound.

My belief is that your main problem is that pretty much every consumer-based motherboard manufacturer isn't producing the top quality product they could produce. The reason behind this is because top quality costs a lot and sells very few. The profit margin is not nearly as big as selling a decent quality item with decent quality features, especially when the features probably do not cost more than total of $1 per motherboard (please note this is a guess and not known evidence, this is based soley on knowledge of the production of a few gaming consoles which added features cost pennis when licensing was not required as in this case... the only real cost is the main product and licensing from other companies).. The first example of this that comes to mind is mainframes. Almost every major computer manufacturer used to produce their own mainframe until companies realized that these computers sold a few dozen every year and they had to make a huge profit on each system in order to turn a profit for the total project. Thus, almost every company dropped out of making these supercomputers and started making PCs because they could sell in much larger bulk and make a smaller profit on each system and still turn a profit on the overall project...

I'm sure you have plenty to argue about now, but honestly I grow tired.. I chose my motherboard and I will let everyone know how it goes (the good AND the bad)..

[EDIT]: Oh, I think I said this before but I'll say it again.. I believe onboard sound is crappy too and thus I never use it.. But in reality it doesn't bother me that they put it on because I see it as a backup. My main 3 systems have 'decent' soundcards and the rest use onboard since I never listen to anything on them. Also, my non-main systems tend to always be created from previous main systems and thus if a current main system does not have onboard sound then a later non-main system will not have sound at all... not really relevant but I don't care... Also, as far as raid goes, I think IDE raid is a complete waste and shouldn't be included on any motherboard but pretty much all the 'flagship' motherboards include crappy IDE raid but oh well... In other words I can see what you are getting at but I don't agree totally. Most features are a waste but it's not a big deal that they are given since the cost doesn't increase very much. Also, onboard USB whatever, firewire, and onboard lan are definitely good enough for almost every user out there... They aren't using the top chipsets you can get but in reality almost nobody needs the top chipsets. So what if my realtek nic can only get 9MB/sec where as a 3com can get 10MB/sec.. In reality only major servers need to worry about problems like that...

[EDIT 2]: Also, as far as IRQ conflicts, Windows and linux handle IRQs much better than before and I haven't had one of these (even with a system with all features listed 2 posts above) ever since the days when I ran Windows98. If you are having such stability issues and IRQ conflicts then I imagine it is user error (of course except unless it truely is the motherboards fault in which case I would suggest getting a new motherboard.. Hopefully the 7VRXP rev. 2.0 will not have problems like that but if they do I will surely return it).