Ghosts and demons don't exist, here is why:

[gotsmack]

Heh, you should meet some of the Chinese graduate students I know. They claim that they are atheists, yet believe deeply in astrology.

The concept of religion is different in the East.

 

[TallBill]

They don't exist because they don't exist.

 

[02ranger]

Don't think of Demons in a Hell based sense as Hell doesn't exist to people who don't believe in it(it is a created thought form aka a Tulpa in and of itself). There are people around the world who believe in Fairies also(the Nordic countries and Iceland especially). Same thing with Dragons. When it comes to these creatures they exist not in this plane or realm rather in different realms. Think of the world in Layers where one hand doesn't know what the other hand is thinking, except in rare cases either by an enviromental disturbance or phenomeon(like a thunderstorm).

Ghosts are typically created thought forms, therefore if you don't believe in ghosts you will never witness them. In that case its better that you don't believe in ghosts as if you don't believe in ghosts you never will see them, if you do believe in ghosts you will see them. A demon on the other hand you don't have to believe in them in order to witness them. Now here is the tricky part as ghosts in some cases do exist but they are a different phenomeon of something and not typically a Haunting.

With a Tulpa if you get enough people to believe in something(aka like people believing in Hell) it will come into existance. Therefore if you get like a hundred people to believe that a location is Haunted and really have the true belief that something is haunted it will come to be true(this is why cemetaries are found to be haunted as so many people believe they are). Its kind of like a computer program almost, you can basically program the thoughtform to take on characteristics of its own(IE only comes out at night, only is such and such a place and only wants to scare people).

This reminds me of that episode of Supernatural with the Tulpa. I think it was called Hell House. Really cool concept, but I don't personally believe in ghosts, demons, tulpas, or other supernatural entities. Not saying its impossible, I just don't believe because I've seen no evidence. Still fun to talk about, though.....

 

[Printer Bandit]

are you your body? if not, then they exist.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

When I was living with my parents they claimed to see things in the house. All the years I was there I didn't see anything. Either they have special ghost detection powers or special ghost imagining powers.

 

[OutHouse]

last nights Ghost Adventures episode was awesome. they got some compelling evidence.

 

[OutHouse]

It's just a game board, sold at Wal-mart and Toys R us.

so. what does that matter??

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It's well-established that the spirit world doesn't associate with Koreans.

 

[Narse]

Not a believer myself in the paranormal. I did have one weird thing happen to me when I was about 12. I was playing sick to be able to stay hone and play megaman. I played until around noon and then made myself a sandwich. I then decided to take a nap. I turned off the TV but left the game running. I was just about to fall asleep and the TV turned on blaring the music of the game. I rolled over and grabbed the remote and turned the TV back off. This happened two or three more times and I figured it was a short or a problem with the remote. I then decided hah! I will unplug the TV!! I unplugged it and rolled back over. Couple minutes latter it powers back on...... I think huh must have unplugged the wrong thing, trace the plug and find its the one going to the TV. I stand there flabbergasted and hear a rumbling chuckle and freak the fuck out. Run outside to the grocery store a few blocks away and stay there until the time my brothers and I would normally get home. Never said a word about this to anyone. Still scares me to this day when I think about it.

 

[John Connor]

I do believe in ghosts. I have had a paranormal experience. But if I share it I will most likely be mocked. I used to watch Ghost hunters. They had some good shit on there.

Photoshop? http://artbell.com/babushka/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXVQlg22dc

 

[ProchargeMe]

I don't really believe there are real "ghosts" per se but I did have an interesting session with the ouija board. Me and some friends were using a ouija board and we're "communicating" with a ghost or whatever and he tells us his name, how he died, what age he was and so on. Well after we had enough and said goodbye to the "spirit" we Googled the name it gave us, and sure as shit we had found an article (not recent so it wasn't in the news or anything) about the guy we were supposedly talking to and the info we got from the ouija board was SPOT ON. I'm not saying I'm a believer but it has definitely given me something to think about.

 

[destrekor]

What if the ghost you contact with a Ouija board was a cryptographer?

You know - this is a fair point.


People utilize Ouija boards, and when they get "random nonsense" - have they taken into account the possibilities of language and alphabet differences? I mean, just because someone died, doesn't mean they all of a sudden learn English and can communicate with everyone just fine.

I mean, you get a Russian ghost, what's he going to do if that's the only language he knows? The English board doesn't have his complete alphabet, and even then, he can't spell out something we'd recognize in English - unless he knew to "latinize" and approximate the Russian words/sounds in the Latin alphabet.


Of course, we are talking about ouija boards. :biggrin:

 

[TallBill]

I don't really believe there are real "ghosts" per se but I did have an interesting session with the ouija board. Me and some friends were using a ouija board and we're "communicating" with a ghost or whatever and he tells us his name, how he died, what age he was and so on. Well after we had enough and said goodbye to the "spirit" we Googled the name it gave us, and sure as shit we had found an article (not recent so it wasn't in the news or anything) about the guy we were supposedly talking to and the info we got from the ouija board was SPOT ON. I'm not saying I'm a believer but it has definitely given me something to think about.

Lol because one of your friends knew about the death and spelled out the info.

 

[Jeff7]

- The human mind is very easy to fool, and is very susceptible to suggestion. Magicians demonstrate this at every performance. Politicians demonstrate this every waking minute.
- You hallucinate every night, as a normal part of sleep, though not everyone remembers the hallucinations. Some people also experience sleep paralysis from time to time, where you're partially awake, but also unable to move, and still prone to experience some pretty goddamn unsettling hallucinations.
- Memories can be colored or tainted.

In short, your brain is not terribly reliable. It's an organic computer with questionable compression routines and poor data integrity checks, with the occasional habit of spontaneously generating new data which may have no basis in reality. You've also got a genetic ancestry that is ancient, dating back to predecessors who may have found a survival advantage from imagined or dreamed threats, as something to keep them always alert, and at least a little bit paranoid.
Thought you might have seen something out there in the darkness of the night? Oh well, guess it was just imagined... *crack* NOPE, not imagined! Wake up, everyone! Something out there is going to try to eat us!

You know - this is a fair point.


People utilize Ouija boards, and when they get "random nonsense" - have they taken into account the possibilities of language and alphabet differences? I mean, just because someone died, doesn't mean they all of a sudden learn English and can communicate with everyone just fine.

I mean, you get a Russian ghost, what's he going to do if that's the only language he knows? The English board doesn't have his complete alphabet, and even then, he can't spell out something we'd recognize in English - unless he knew to "latinize" and approximate the Russian words/sounds in the Latin alphabet.


Of course, we are talking about ouija boards. :biggrin:

Or maybe the dead person had a mental illness.

Or was simply illiterate.

Or you have 5,294 ghosts all fighting for control of the board.

 

[alkemyst]

People don't want to meet most of you guys in real life, why would you think Gods or ghosts or demons would.

 

[Chiropteran]

When I was in elementary school one of my friends convinced me he had a magic rock he could use to teleport or run really fast. A few days later he admitted it was a hoax.

Since then, I've been skeptical of ghosts, religion, and global warming. Not going to fool me again!

 

[John Connor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

 

[crownjules]

I've never experienced anything paranormal. My sister has though and she's not exactly the unscientific type. She's experienced two different phenomenon.

1) My parents and her were in an old hotel in England in separate rooms. One night before dinner, she went into the bathroom. When she came out a few minutes later, all the pillows and clothes she had laid out on the bed had been tossed all over the room. She didn't hear a thing. When she mentioned it at dinner, the waitress said the hotel is known to have a ghost the doesn't like guests and does stuff like that to mess with them.

2) A few years ago, she went with her boyfriend to visit his mom outside of Rome. One night she woke suddenly and sat straight up in bed to find an old woman sitting on the bottom corner looking at her. She turned to wake up her BF and when she turned back the woman was gone. The next day they asked the neighbors who had lived in the house before his mother and they said it had been a woman had lived there for years until she died in her late 70s.

 

[Sonikku]

This one time I opened the fridge and there was like a demon dog there and it was all like "ZUUUUUUUL". Good times.

 

[IronWing]

This one time I opened the fridge and there was like a demon dog there and it was all like "ZUUUUUUUL". Good times.

Are you the key master?

 

[HeXen]

Unexplainable phenomena does certainly exist and there are plenty of known places to go right now with high chances to experience, however I always question the idea that ghosts are thinking, self conscious beings. All of the best, non hoaxed evidence suggests that they are very limited in the least and don't often show very many human attributes mentally. I mean no human thinking, self aware individual is going to stick around in a dingy basement yet can float around and go through walls. A lot of it just defy logic and there's no reason to believe any parallel world or astral plane would defy or distort our view of reality any further.

I also question why all the ghosts that are reportedly seen, always fit the description from someone within the past couple hundred years....what no neanderthal ghosts? No ancient roman ghosts? C'mon. Perhaps their energy has dissipated. Then there's cat,dog ghosts but no deer or great white shark ghosts. It seems to me that much about ghosts is more in relation to how we naturally perceive and favor things.

 

[1prophet]

Astrology doesn't include gods, as far as I know anyway, so there's no conflict. A person can believe in anything (no matter how ridiculous) and for whatever reason (no matter how ridiculous) and they're still atheist as long as they don't believe in gods.

And the reason atheists don't believe in god or gods is lack of scientific proof which they always point to,

and they always point out the burden of proof is on those claiming the existence of god/gods.

quite hypocritical of them to discard scientific proof when it comes to other beliefs which can be deemed just as irrational and superstitious.

 

[Ichinisan]

great white shark ghosts.

Why did you have to go and mention a thing like that? Now The Asylum is going to make it into another "Syfy Original Movie."

 

[HeXen]

Why did you have to go and mention a thing like that? Now The Asylum is going to make it into another "Syfy Original Movie."

Too late

 

[IronWing]

And the reason atheists don't believe in god or gods is lack of scientific proof which they always point to,

and they always point out the burden of proof is on those claiming the existence of god/gods.

quite hypocritical of them to discard scientific proof when it comes to other beliefs which can be deemed just as irrational and superstitious.

True, and I doubt many thoughtful atheists subscribe to any of these other irrational beliefs.