Ackmed, if you read the post, it says that they WILL include AA -- it doesn't work right now. 1.1 fixed some things but still no AA.
Ackmed, if you read the post, it says that they WILL include AA -- it doesn't work right now. 1.1 fixed some things but still no AA.
I did read the post. I never said it was working right now. I said, "Now it seems it will work.", not, "Now it seems it does work." I dont have the full game to test the patch that came out, or further patches. Its a dumbed down game from previous versions, and I choose not to support it, or their choice of no "HDR" and AA.
The point is, having only "HDR" benches, and no AA benches is silly. Sadly, its what most are doing with Oblivion as well.
So it shouldnt be done? Dont be silly. There are multi-GPU solutions for a reason. And cards later this year, will be even faster, resulting in better frames with the two features enabled.
The point is, the benchmarks do not show both, just one. Thats silly. As I think, and has been shown by polls, most people prefer AA over HDR. Some games show jaggies worse than others, GRAW is a poster child for AA. It looks pretty poor without is, even at a high res.
The point is, the benchmarks do not show both, just one. Thats silly. As I think, and has been shown by polls, most people prefer AA over HDR. Some games show jaggies worse than others, GRAW is a poster child for AA. It looks pretty poor without is, even at a high res.
I understand your points and thank you for your input, but I think everyone here would appreciate it if you would wash the sand out of your vagina and stop being a prick.
You can actually force CF to work, by renaming the .exe. I did it long ago. Numbers and pics here. xbitlabs must just be behind, or doesnt want to force it.
So if you can get Crossfire to work really well, then what would you need to do to enable similar performance gains in SLI?
When I made that post, someone who is very expierenced with SLI, said that for some reason or another, it gave them more than 50% boost too. Obviously there is some sort of issue with the game. But you can get CF and SLI both to work in the game, with a little tweaking.
Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that renaming to AFR-Friendlyd3d.exe game me >48 fps constant. Average of 60 fps. I am using Vsync and DXtweaker for triple buffering. This game LOVES crossfire. Seems almost 200% increase in speed.
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We understand that the company you pimp for gets stomped in these benchmarks. Crying in public about it will not change this fact.
AA + HDR is not officially supported in GRAW or Oblivion. Even if it was most cards choke on it. Thread crapping will not improve the situation.
Stomped? 5fps is stomping? 3fps difference in min frames is stomping? Ok...
Im not wanting HDR+AA benched. I am wanting AA benched. Just as I want it benched in Oblivion, where ATi holds the crown. It doesnt matter what game it is, benching only HDR is not the best thing to do. Most review sites are going to using HDR only, and never showing AA numbers, which is not good. GRAW shots jaggies very badly, just like BF2 does.
Try taking the chip off of your shoulder, and using some common sense.
Ackmed is right. The performance hit from AA+HDR in Oblivion is very minimal.
The game isn't really deamanding in a traditional sense. The grass is the only over-bearing performance chugger. The game's AI takes up lots of CPU cycles in cities and that really brings the game to a chug. I'm shocked @ the performance in cities with my rig... the only thing that beats my rig is a FX-62 and Quad SLI.
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Originally posted by: gersson
Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that renaming to AFR-Friendlyd3d.exe game me >48 fps constant. Average of 60 fps. I am using Vsync and DXtweaker for triple buffering. This game LOVES crossfire. Seems almost 200% increase in speed.
So much for super tiling..
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: gersson
Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that renaming to AFR-Friendlyd3d.exe game me >48 fps constant. Average of 60 fps. I am using Vsync and DXtweaker for triple buffering. This game LOVES crossfire. Seems almost 200% increase in speed.
So much for super tiling..
Yeah. I'm not completely informed on the issue but from personal experience it doesnt do much... in fact may bring down lower end framerates.
Ooh, I had no idea a PC version of this game was going to come out. I almost bought a 360 just so I could play it.
Wonder how low I'll have to drop the settings to play it on my x850xt...
Wonder how low I'll have to drop the settings to play it on my x850xt...
Gee, I wonder why (to the side-TWIWMTBP title?)
What did you accomplish by that post? All I see in it is crap.
Ackmed is actually right in this case. It is ridiculous for current games to not support a very common feature such as AA and it is wrong for benchmarks to only have HDR + AF benches with no AA. (Obviously, since AA can't be used yet in GRAW, it is understood why those benches only have those two features) but in Oblivion? I've seen benches comparing Quad-SLI with SLI, Crossfire and single cards, but no benches comparing HDR + AA to only HDR???? Quad-SLI is an Nvidia only feature just like HDR + AA is an ATI only feature (sometimes). Benches should try to include all options for all probable cards, they are benches afterall.
Benches have yet to really show options such as HDR + AA in most games, and therefore all we really have to go off of are those who have the eqipment that can do it. I for one can tell you that HDR + AA is nice and playable on many titles that I'm sure you would claim isn't so, but you're not the one playing them with the hardware under question and are just speculating.
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Yeah, I think that about your posts as well.
HDR+AA is not officially supported in GRAW or Oblivion. Xbit does an excellent job of testing. Ackmed was thread crapping. You are of course on his side (no suprise).
Run your own benchmarks if you don't like the ones posted.
The OP was looking for GRAW benchmarks and a link was provided:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/nvidia-gf7950gx2_18.html
When was I arguing against the 7950GX2? Yes, it is a great performing card. My complaint was about the benches not showing corresponding performance when enabling the settings that most knowledgeable gamers would be enabling in reality. Not only that but those benchmarks that were linked here didn't even show the actual performance gains that SLI/Crossfire can really get. Ackmed provided a link that showed evidence of the real performance gains you can get with Crossfire. He also said that the same kind of gains can be reached with SLI, gains that Xbit didn't show in their bench.
gersson has seen some big performance gains through tweaking also. My main point is that Ackmed wasn't trying to thread crap, but simply trying to show that the benches have missed some things, which they have.
Also, you keep bringing up the fact that the patches for Oblivion are not supported by it, but do you think that the gamers who can utilize it really care if it is supported or not? It gives better graphics....period. As far as to why it isn't "supported" doesn't matter since I'm getting the visual effect anyway. And that doesn't mean that benches shouldn't show it, since benches should give us a real-world idea as to how certain cards perform with certain settings. Why are you so defensive and bring up the 7950's performance when the subject isn't even about that?
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