Ghost in the Shell: Arise (coming June 2013)

JEDI

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell:_Arise

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it's a prequel, and a reimagining of the series.

i'm a huge fan but not having any warm fuzzy feelings of reimagining

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why is the new guy (on the right w/tie) that joined the team in the 2nd or 3rd movie in this prequel?!?!
 
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sdifox

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He was in the regular police force. Maybe there is some interaction that resulted in him joining section 6.

I am not holding my breath.
 

Zeze

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I can't stand most of the anime series, they're usually childish & drawn out (with rare exceptions like Cowboy Bebop, Eva, Chanploo, etc).

Anime FILMS however, are amazing- I LOVED Ghost in the Shell films (1 & 2), the series are for kids.

I'm disappointed to learn that this is also a series.
 

motsm

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Anime FILMS however, are amazing- I LOVED Ghost in the Shell films (1 & 2), the series are for kids.
Have you actually watched any of the GITS shows? They are right in line with the movies, it never even crossed my mind that they were more childish. That said, it's the only anime franchise I've ever enjoyed.
 

Zeze

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Have you actually watched any of the GITS shows? They are right in line with the movies, it never even crossed my mind that they were more childish. That said, it's the only anime franchise I've ever enjoyed.

It must've been a long ago. I watched the first 15 mins or so.

I remember I was turned off by typical anime dialogue and really bad repetitive animations (not their fault).
 

JEDI

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ok, saw this.

meh. story line is convoluted and confusing.
not as convoluted as The Wolverrine, but I couldn't follow the multiple interwined plots.

1) How did the major get control of the 3rd landmine?
2) How did she know the $ was in the locker?
3) how is the guy w/the electric attack involved?
4) who killed the lt colonel? (former head of the unit and her adoptive father)

part 2 comes out in Nov 2013.
(Arise is a 4 part series.)
 

Zeze

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ok, saw this.

meh. story line is convoluted and confusing.
not as convoluted as The Wolverrine, but I couldn't follow the multiple interwined plots.

1) How did the major get control of the 3rd landmine?
2) How did she know the $ was in the locker?
3) how is the guy w/the electric attack involved?
4) who killed the lt colonel? (former head of the unit and her adoptive father)

part 2 comes out in Nov 2013.
(Arise is a 4 part series.)

Sounds like another pretentious 'be-complex-and-convulated-for-the-sake-of-it-because-that's-cinematic-depth' bullshit just like Evangelion remake.

Meh.
 

JEDI

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saw episode 2 (of 4): Ghost whisper

like episode 1 of Arise, it's convoluted and confusing.

and just like Episode 1, they used a tech virus excuse to quickly wrap everything up at the end. :(

Episode 3 is in 6 months. and the last episode is 6months after that
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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Given the popularity of anime, whatever your likes are, why aren't there more American made series? Seems like there would be a huge demand here for anime that didn't follow the Japanese model of sacrificing plot for character development, starting in the middle and, rarely resolving endings.
 

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saw episode 2 (of 4): Ghost whisper

like episode 1 of Arise, it's convoluted and confusing.

and just like Episode 1, they used a tech virus excuse to quickly wrap everything up at the end. :(

I enjoyed it just because it's more GitS, although it's nowhere near the level of SAC. I didn't like that it used the the virus angle again, but I'm not sure what was confusing about it. The plot, at least to me, was pretty simplistic.

Given the popularity of anime, whatever your likes are, why aren't there more American made series? Seems like there would be a huge demand here for anime that didn't follow the Japanese model of sacrificing plot for character development, starting in the middle and, rarely resolving endings.

Anime is not really popular in the USA. It's obviously popular among a niche fanbase, but it doesn't have mainstream appeal. It's actually pretty much a niche in Japan as well, save for a few popular series. It costs a great deal of money to produce a series, and the typical goal, except for original works, is not just to sell the series well (sometimes this doesn't even really factor into it at all), but to increase interest in all of the tie-in media and merchandise (manga, light novels, models, figurines, drama cds, etc.). In order to be successful, the Japanese charge extremely high prices for much fewer episodes than we would pay for here.

US anime companies can survive precisely because they don't have to pay all of the initial production costs, and they still get burnt quite often when a title they license because they think it will sell well here doesn't. Of course, there are some series that do extremely well. Eva, for instance, always has and always will sell really well here. But those types of series are really the exception.

As far as anime not always starting at the beginning or having a definitive ending/resolution, that's because the shows are generally adaptations of existing properties (light novel, visual novel, manga, etc.) that are still on-going so they don't want to hurt sales of the other types of media by having a definite resolution.

Another thing about anime is that one of the reasons it can appealing is the fact that it's made by people with a different cultural viewpoint than us, so can have different ideas and themes than we are used to coming across in everyday life.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I enjoyed it just because it's more GitS, although it's nowhere near the level of SAC. I didn't like that it used the the virus angle again, but I'm not sure what was confusing about it. The plot, at least to me, was pretty simplistic.



Anime is not really popular in the USA. It's obviously popular among a niche fanbase, but it doesn't have mainstream appeal. It's actually pretty much a niche in Japan as well, save for a few popular series. It costs a great deal of money to produce a series, and the typical goal, except for original works, is not just to sell the series well (sometimes this doesn't even really factor into it at all), but to increase interest in all of the tie-in media and merchandise (manga, light novels, models, figurines, drama cds, etc.). In order to be successful, the Japanese charge extremely high prices for much fewer episodes than we would pay for here.

US anime companies can survive precisely because they don't have to pay all of the initial production costs, and they still get burnt quite often when a title they license because they think it will sell well here doesn't. Of course, there are some series that do extremely well. Eva, for instance, always has and always will sell really well here. But those types of series are really the exception.

As far as anime not always starting at the beginning or having a definitive ending/resolution, that's because the shows are generally adaptations of existing properties (light novel, visual novel, manga, etc.) that are still on-going so they don't want to hurt sales of the other types of media by having a definite resolution.

Another thing about anime is that one of the reasons it can appealing is the fact that it's made by people with a different cultural viewpoint than us, so can have different ideas and themes than we are used to coming across in everyday life.


I'm not sure I agree it's not that popular in the US. I don't have any actual numbers but, my five year old grandson thinks he introduced me to Airbender and a few others. I think it will only increase because there is a real lack of quality American animation of any kind. As expensive as producing shows is these days, animation is still cheaper than live action shows and there's no end of those.
 

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Amine tanked in the US when the dubbing studios got drunk and tried to license EVERY single series no matter how bad it was and simultaneously got into a small scale war with the fan subbing groups. (This was around 10 years ago)

So yeah, the lesson is don't spend all your money on crap franchises while pissing off your main client base.
 

JEDI

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saw part 3 "ghost tears" which came out 6/28/2014.

like the previous chapters of this series, I'm fuzzy as to what exactly went on.
I kinda got the gist of the overall plot but I couldnt follow the details
 

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(re-posted after I was pointed towards this thread)

I've watched episodes 1-4.

I was a bit disappointed by this series. The plot was a bit impenetrable (I had trouble keeping track of what departments/factions were involved and their relationships with each other), and I had the impression that it was a heck of a lot heavier on references to previous GitS episodes/films rather than actually treading new ground. It was an interesting premise / non-canon origin story, but it didn't do much with it IMO. With regard to the plot, I wonder whether they tried to pack in a plot that could have worked, had it been properly fleshed out like 'The Laughing Man' plot in series 1 or the Hideo Kuze plot in series 2.

I've enjoyed most of the previous films/episodes of GitS (the first film, I haven't watched any of the re-makes of it), GitS: Innocence (some beautiful bits in it, though a bit pretentious in places IMO), GitS series 1 & 2, I've watched all of them repeatedly. 'Solid State Society' seemed like a re-tread as well, though perhaps that was its intention from the Major's perspective.

@ Zeze

In the two series (the Stand Alone Complex series), there are 'standalone' episodes (ie. not part of the main plot of the series), then there are the rest. I think it's about 50% standalones. Admittedly when I started to watch the first season, I was thinking "this is a bit Saturday morning cartoon isn't it?", until I got to the main plot in that series (which starts with episode 4 IIRC, 'interceptor'). The main plot of each series is anything but 'saturday morning cartoon', and the standalones help give a bit of breathing space IMO.
 
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JEDI

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part4 made the least amount of sense in this series (if that's possible).

my main problem is the cop (guy w/tie) that got hacked to help the TinMan get away is supposed to be the least cybernetic of the group.

so wtfbbq?

this whole series is a mess.
you cant keep track of all the outside groups/people/rival departments/allies + enemies in the ministry/etc.

was there even an overall plot to this series? it just seemed like mish-mash hastily thrown together.

this reminds me of episodes 1-3 of Star Wars.
I just want to forget it ever happened...
 

JEDI

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also surprised that the last part aired so soon after the 3rd part (2months), instead of the usual 6months spacing
 
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JEDI

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They added a part 5 this year as a 2 part TV show instead of a theater release:
"Pyrophoric Cult" August 26, 2015

it's continues from Part 4.

they also released parts 1-4 on TV as well, each as a 2part episode of 24min.

to make this series even more confusing, for some crazy reason they renamed the 10 episode (parts 1-5) TV release as Ghost in the Shell: Alternative Architecture.

WTF?! :confused:


and the ending of Part5 left no doubt there will be a part6.
 
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