getting ready to run cable in new house

framing is almost done, as soon as electrician does his thing I'm gonna go in and run network cable.
I plan on running cat6, but as I'm shopping for cable i've ran into some confusion.

Some cable is rated for horizontal runs, some for penetrating floors and ceilings.
What I'll be running, I'll need both.

I plan on putting 2-4 cables (1 or 2 wall plates) in every room, as well as a patch panel and a built in wall rack in the basement. (2 story home)

Can someone help me out with what cable to buy and where to buy it?
 

cmetz

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FAQ, FAQ... we need a FAQ here.

Go to Home Depot, get blue conduit, install that. Makes pulling new cable later so much easier. Make sure you've got multiple pipes from attic to basement for expansion - that's the single toughest run. Home Depot carries cat5e cable and jacks at pretty good prices and very convenient availability. If you want cat6, you'll probably need to mail order it. Compgeeks sometimes has a decent deal going, and there are other more reputable places to get it. Make sure to get cat6 jacks to match the cable.

Don't go less than riser-rated cable. Plenum cable is only needed in fire sensitive plenum duct type areas - I've heard either way on whether a house's main air duct counts or not, I went ahead and used plenum there and in the upstairs because of that, but I know plenty of people who just used riser. I think the practical reality is that if your house is experiencing a structural fire, the cable is the least of your worries.
 

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You'll need to use plenum cable. Honestly cat5e will do just fine since it supports 10/100/1000.
 

Ok, one says I need plenum, other doesn't.

Is it worth it to use cat6? If not for my own use, for the value of the home (will sell in 5 years)
I wasn't planning on using conduit, just boxes.

I'll probably only have one day (or even an afternoon) to do the whole house....
 

skyking

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One day? bring some friends. Good friends who know how to help out.
I don't think CAT6 will enhance the value of your house appreciably.
If you are really on that time crunch, get two boxes of Cat5E, and unless your house has a plenum, and you are running your cable inside it, get regular 5E. Plenum is meant for plenums. Your house wiring, which is run through the same space as your planned cable runs, is not plenum rated and will put off plenty of nasty gasses in an fire. Your Cat5 will not matter a bit.
Two boxes are so you can pull two runs everywhere you go, minimum. Having a second run behind the plate is priceless, since you will not have the time to run conduit as cmetz as suggested. It takes longer than you have alloted.
Edit: I think conduit is a fine way to go, by the way, but it takes time to do it properly. A half ass conduit job is worse than none at all, when you can't get cable pulled as planned.
 

cmetz

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skyking, I got the 3/4" blue conduit and snap-together boxes from Home Depot and it was incredibly easy to do. Frankly it was only a very slight more work than pulling cable bare(*). I actually did the cable installs after closing having the conduit in place. I strongly recommend conduit to everyone.

(*- okay, there was one place that was much more difficult than bare cables - my main heating plenum, I didn't use flexible conduit, I used a lot of 2" PVC pipes, and many 2" pipes times about 30' of length is a pain to work with. Most people will be fine with a couple of the blue flexible conduits and that will be much easier to work with!)

jntdesign, cat5e should be enough for gigabit Ethernet if properly installed. cat6e will be better for gigE. One of the reasons for the conduit is that you could do the cat5e now and if you had runs that weren't working for gigabit and you wanted to use them for gigabit, you could later replace them with cat6. If you're looking to future proof your home network, conduit will help more than cat6.

As far as plenum vs. riser, I have heard conflicting things. I did plenum for my second floor, all of which was home run through my plenum (I also ran over-cat6 cable, so I took the highly expensive route - just in case you're wondering. If cost is no object, do that. But cost is typically an object!).

I know enough people who understand well what plenum vs. riser means and chose to do riser that I believe you can get away with riser. Plenum is the safer/more conservative choice, but is also twice the cost. The bottom line is as skyking said, no other wiring in your house is plenum rated and when it burns the cat5/6 cable is going to be the least of your worries. Plenum does buy a little more piece of mind, though - if you use plenum and didn't have to, the only downside is cost (well, and the jacket's often a little harder to work with). If it's only $50-$100 or so difference maybe that's worth it to you and yours.

As far as how many spools/boxes, it's best IMO to have one spool per cable that goes into a bunch, so you can spool them out in parallel. I prefer real spools to boxes because I'm old fashioned... and I have spoolers ;) A couple of chairs and a pipe makes a reasonable low-budget spooler in a pinch. But anyway, put them in parallel and pull out what you need, and they're more or less equal length and ready to go. I'd also suggest you plan on buying more and not less.
If you need a run of 75' and you've got 50' left on the spool, that 50' is waste even when you get another 500' spool - better to have longer spools so there are fewer forced cuts. Unfortunately, you can't take it back, but you will use more cable than you plan on no matter how much you pad, and leftover cable is plenty useful anyway if you know how to crimp (where's JackMDS and his "DO NOT CRIMP"? ;). And anyway, 1000' spools are the typical unit of sale and often the cheapest per foot - put another way, you'll pay a slight price premium per foot for a 500' spool, a slight price premium for a box rather than a spool, and if you need a custom length you can get downright ripped off if you're not careful.

As far as value on your house, I think you will get some value out of having Ethernet jacks wired. I don't think you will get any value out of the delta between a minimal wiring job and a high-end wiring job (better cable, plenum, etc.), so when doing anything more than the minimum, do it for your needs and not as investment.
 

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Originally posted by: cmetz(where's JackMDS and his "DO NOT CRIMP"? ;)
Actually, "Crimping" is a good exercise; provided that at the end you get few good inexpensive commercially made cables.

Example:

Link: Ethernet CAT5 Patch Cables.

However if you insist going your "merry" way, this is the best guide for the task.

Link: How to make CAT5

On Wiring

It not so difficult to wire a house if you follow few simple rules.

If you are not experienced with RJ-45 crimping do not crimp.

It is much easier and better results to Install in the wall Keystone Jacks, (or surface RJ-45 Keystone boxes if you do not "snake" the cable inside the walls).

The computers and other Network hardware are then connected with commercial made RJ-45 to the wall outlets. Commercially made CAT5 patches are very inexpensive these days.

The following link will provide an actual description of Keystone installation...
Link: Physical Home Networking

Link: How To Terminate & Assemble Keystone Jacks.

You can buy the Keystones and plates at Home depot, or on line here.

Link: http://www.9thtee.com/networking.htm

BTW. Long stationary CAT5 should be Solid Core.

Short Patch CAT5, should be made with stranded core.

 

skyking

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well, and the jacket's often a little harder to work with)
exactly!I am sorry, i did not have time to explain that when i first posted.Top dollar plenum is not much of a hassle, but it is very tough to find as a consumer, as well as expensive. That is the main reason I steer folks away from plenum unless they are putting it in a plenum. most say "huh?" so riser is what they get:p
Cheap plenum will make you tear your hair out on the other hand.
snagging (assho!es is another term), jacket getting hooked on most anything, tough to strip, it is the worst.
Crappy as cheap riser is, it is pleasant to work with in comparison.
 

cmetz

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skyking, Home Depot carries plenum and riser cat5e. The plenum is about double the cost. It's actually very similar otherwise, not as annoying as higher-end plenum cable.
 

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Plenum jacketing is usually much stiffer. It's usually a good idea to add some strain relief...

And, you know someone is going to try to make a patch out of it, then whine about the poor performance because the jacket doesn't stay in the crimp on an RJ.

Plenum is just not necessary ... unless specifically indicated in the code (like most people here are worried about following code...)

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Scott
 

Thanks guys. Some really great advice here.

I bought all of my boxes tonight, total of 8.
I'm gonna order cat6 online within the next day or two.
I have about 12 days before it's time to run cable at my house.

Anyone care to share links to good cat6 cable online?
 

ivwshane

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Thanks for the links!!


I'm not planning on doing any cable run anytime soon but I know in the future I will want to:D