Getting Lasik Eye Surgery soon...few simple Q & A.

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gsellis

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Originally posted by: drewdogg808
lasik is not a guarantee that you will get 20/20 or if you do, will it stay perfect for distance forever. you vision can change in the next couple decades whether you get the procedure or not. thats a risk. if it was perfect and completely stable and had guaranteed results, it would be a cure and everyone would get it.
With LASIK, you can have "20/20" vision and it still be a loss in quality. 20/20 is advertised, but it is not the real benchmark. You could see 20/15 and have triple vision. The link I did above to SurgicalEyes goes into some detail on all of this.
 

TechnoKid

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: TechnoKid



Thats why you go in for a consultation so the laser eye surgeon/specialist can determine the right procedure for you. Sure you can reserch it all you want online, but until you go in for that consultation, you don't know what laser eye procedure is best for you.

Im still abit skeptical about it. so i'll research more. Did you have your vision corrected?

not yet, i've talked to a specialist at Kaiser...and I plan to attend a seminar this month about the laser eye surgurey at Kaiser. Besides, I'm 19 and my eyes are still chaging. I do not want to have to do a follow-up procedure because my eye changed again.

What role does Kaiser have to do with the surgery. Does their insurance cover such procedures?

They just recently offered it through them, though I believe they still view it as cosmetic surgurey under most circumstances, so its not fully covered in my case.
 

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: TechnoKid



Thats why you go in for a consultation so the laser eye surgeon/specialist can determine the right procedure for you. Sure you can reserch it all you want online, but until you go in for that consultation, you don't know what laser eye procedure is best for you.

Im still abit skeptical about it. so i'll research more. Did you have your vision corrected?

not yet, i've talked to a specialist at Kaiser...and I plan to attend a seminar this month about the laser eye surgurey at Kaiser. Besides, I'm 19 and my eyes are still chaging. I do not want to have to do a follow-up procedure because my eye changed again.

What role does Kaiser have to do with the surgery. Does their insurance cover such procedures?

They just recently offered it through them, though I believe they still view it as cosmetic surgurey under most circumstances, so its not fully covered in my case.

Really, I just got them as my insurance through my work. I also stuck $1800 in a health care savings plan for next year. Do they have any info on their website?
 

Solodays

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Solodays
even at $300, isn't all these docs trained and approved to do these surgeries? if not then they wont even last a week. so why worry?

laser eye surgurey is considred a cosmetic surgurey, at least i consider it to be. .



why? it's not like gonna make you look any better.
 

TechnoKid

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: TechnoKid



Thats why you go in for a consultation so the laser eye surgeon/specialist can determine the right procedure for you. Sure you can reserch it all you want online, but until you go in for that consultation, you don't know what laser eye procedure is best for you.

Im still abit skeptical about it. so i'll research more. Did you have your vision corrected?

not yet, i've talked to a specialist at Kaiser...and I plan to attend a seminar this month about the laser eye surgurey at Kaiser. Besides, I'm 19 and my eyes are still chaging. I do not want to have to do a follow-up procedure because my eye changed again.

What role does Kaiser have to do with the surgery. Does their insurance cover such procedures?

They just recently offered it through them, though I believe they still view it as cosmetic surgurey under most circumstances, so its not fully covered in my case.

Really, I just got them as my insurance through my work. I also stuck $1800 in a health care savings plan for next year. Do they have any info on their website?

as far as i know, they don't have any info on their website, though i have not checked recently. Best to go to your local Kaiser center, preferably a bigger one with many departments (not just a pediatrics/pharmacy type place) and ask the optometry department when they are going to have a seminar about laser eye surgurey. Keep in mind the last eye exam i had with Kaiser was over 8 months ago, so things could have changed.
 

TechnoKid

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Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Solodays
even at $300, isn't all these docs trained and approved to do these surgeries? if not then they wont even last a week. so why worry?

laser eye surgurey is considred a cosmetic surgurey, at least i consider it to be. .



why? it's not like gonna make you look any better.

Laser eye surgurey is not [absolutely] necessary to correct vision. Thats what glasses are for and have been for a long time. Why does Kaiser charge $99 (as do most other places) for a contact lense fitting when with glases, you only pay your co-pay (if you have one at all)? Because Kasier, and I'm sure many other health care providers, views contact lenses as a cosmetic enhancement/alternative to corrective lenses; glasses. I have not met one optometry office yet that covers contact lenses and/or laser eye surgurey, fully, under medical/health care insurance. This may, however, change in the years to come.
 

slag

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I went in for my initial appointment today and am going to get the procedure done on 12-1-04. I am having regular LASIK done on my eyes at the cost of $3600 total. Out here, this is not something you can dicker on the price.

I am looking forward to the procedure. My left eye is -8 and my right is -9.something. I have only a small astigmatism, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Slag

 

drewdogg808

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Originally posted by: gflores
Originally posted by: drewdogg808


nearsightedness

no studies in the past have shown evidence that watching alot of tv, computers, and videogames causes nearsightedness.
it.

"However, a recent study suggests that people whose professions involve large amounts of reading have higher degrees of nearsightedness."

From your link. Also, that's what my dad says, and he tells me he's never wrong ;)


thats why i said "studies in the past"....plus the study is ambiguous, it only states that they have higher degrees of nearsightedness, not that it causes it to increase.

btw, it's not just your dad that says that, it's what every parent says including mine. ;) :D

they just want you to cut back on watching tv, playing computer and videogames all the time. :D
 

drewdogg808

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Originally posted by: Solodays
also, is it recommend to stare at sunlight after Lasik?

sunlight? or the sun?

if you're referring to the sun, it's not recommended to stare at the sun anytime, post lasik or not. :)
 

OCNewbie

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Originally posted by: virtuamike
My doc was so awesome I had him do my cats too.

LOL =) We know how much the kittay's love the lasers, if you've ever played with one with one of those laser pointers.
 

OCNewbie

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I've already gone in for my Lasik consultation/testing on 11/16 of this month. Prior to going in for this, over the phone they told me the average cost per eye was $1900 (so I presume from this it could be lower as well since it is an Average). Well, the initial price they quoted me was just shy of $2600 per eye. Then they slapped on a bunch of discounts, including $160 off from my insurance provider (which was lower than I was expecting) and a $200 Gift Certificate that was in the mail. The total was around $4080 or so for both eyes after all discounts, and including the $150 charge for my initial testing (cost taken off surgery cost).

They also have 18 month no interest financing, but they charge you $150 for this, which I didn't really discover until the day prior to my scheduled surgery (11/23), so because of this, and some uncertainties about the total cost I've post-poned my operation and will schedule it at a later date. I'm allowed to schedule it within 6 months of my initial screening without losing the $150 deposit.

Here's the guy I'm going to, he's in the Central FL area. As far as I know he uses all the latest technologies including Wavefront, & IntraLase.

http://www.filutowskieye.com/Home.cfm

Nice thing about this guy, is that the procedure includes a lifetime guarantee, that as long as you have a yearly eye exam..... if you're ever deemed to need an enchancement (prescription waivers, fixing with the laser), you just get charged $150 per eye, supposedly for life.
 

slag

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Originally posted by: OCNewbie
I've already gone in for my Lasik consultation/testing on 11/16 of this month. Prior to going in for this, over the phone they told me the average cost per eye was $1900 (so I presume from this it could be lower as well since it is an Average). Well, the initial price they quoted me was just shy of $2600 per eye. Then they slapped on a bunch of discounts, including $160 off from my insurance provider (which was lower than I was expecting) and a $200 Gift Certificate that was in the mail. The total was around $4080 or so for both eyes after all discounts, and including the $150 charge for my initial testing (cost taken off surgery cost).

They also have 18 month no interest financing, but they charge you $150 for this, which I didn't really discover until the day prior to my scheduled surgery (11/23), so because of this, and some uncertainties about the total cost I've post-poned my operation and will schedule it at a later date. I'm allowed to schedule it within 6 months of my initial screening without losing the $150 deposit.

Here's the guy I'm going to, he's in the Central FL area. As far as I know he uses all the latest technologies including Wavefront, & IntraLase.

http://www.filutowskieye.com/Home.cfm

Nice thing about this guy, is that the procedure includes a lifetime guarantee, that as long as you have a yearly eye exam..... if you're ever deemed to need an enchancement (prescription waivers, fixing with the laser), you just get charged $150 per eye, supposedly for life.


I'm getting mine done on Wednesday for $3600.00 total, including tax, etc. It's normally 2300/eye but insurance is picking up $500.00 per eye. And I get free enhancements and everything lifetime also as long as I get yearly checkups from my normal eye doctor, but dont have to pay any fee per eye or anything for this. Its included in the original cost.



LASIK in KC area.
 

slag

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Just got back from my lasik surgury. I cant see very well right now and am pretty drowsy. I'm going to sleep for a bit and then check back in. I can make out lots of stuff, but things are still hazy and not clear.

Hard to see this to type.

Joe
 

Darkstar757

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hey bud

I wish you a speedy recovery

Im going to get my eyes looked at.

I wonder if anything can be done because I have astigmatisism
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid

Laser eye surgurey is not [absolutely] necessary to correct vision. Thats what glasses are for and have been for a long time. Why does Kaiser charge $99 (as do most other places) for a contact lense fitting when with glases, you only pay your co-pay (if you have one at all)? Because Kasier, and I'm sure many other health care providers, views contact lenses as a cosmetic enhancement/alternative to corrective lenses; glasses. I have not met one optometry office yet that covers contact lenses and/or laser eye surgurey, fully, under medical/health care insurance. This may, however, change in the years to come.

Contact lenses are the only solution for some people (myself included), and they ARE covered by health insurance when medically necessary.

Unfortunately most carriers will cover one pair of lenses per year (up to $200), which barely scratches the surface of lens fitting for a keratoconus patient.

I would estimate that I've spent close to $1500 of my own money on contact lenses and related processes in the last two years, plus about $400 of insurance carrier money.

Viper GTS
 

TreyRandom

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I'm sorta late for the thread, but just in case it does anyone any good:

I had LASIK performed two years ago. It was the best money I ever spent, and no, I didn't go to a "discount LASIK provider". I had had glasses since age 7, and contacts since age 16 (I was 32 when I had the procedure done). My contact prescription was nearing -7.00 in both eyes. I couldn't see a thing without my glasses.

After the procedure, I now see clearly, without halos or dry eyes. It was miraculous to get up from the LASIK operating table and be able to (blurrily) read the writing on a dry-erase board across the room... without my glasses. And it might just be my mind playing tricks on me... but I swear colors now look brighter since I've had the procedure. No one told me that I would see colors brighter... it was just a pleasant surprise. :) Any other LASIK folks have that experience?

It takes a day or so to begin to see clearly - it is best to keep your eyes closed as much as possible for 24 hours after surgery. I was prescribed a steroid eye drop and an antibiotic eye drop to use for a couple of weeks after surgery.

All that being said, there ARE risks. For example, night halos are sorta common, in which you see halos around lights at night. There is also a very small risk of never being able to correct your eyes past 20/40 after the procedure, even with glasses - something about the LASIK procedure can mess up your vision so it's no longer correctable to 20/20. Again, the risk is small, but present. Dry eyes, eye infections, corneal flap loss, anything can happen. The better the surgeon, the less chance of anything happening.

I did have one scare not too long after my procedure. I woke up and had lost my vision. Not just blurry... totally BLACK. It returned after a few minutes, but I went straight to the eye doctor, who performed another corneal map and checked everything out. All was fine. I can't remember, but I think he prescribed me more antibiotic eye drops. I haven't had a problem since.

I would recommend the procedure, but ultimately, you have to consider: it's your eyesight. You only have one pair of eyes, which are probably correctable with glasses. Make an informed decision, and make sure that you get a good doctor, regardless of cost. Talk to several people who have used that doctor. Ask questions - not of us, but of the doctor. He or she is the only one that can give you ALL the information. And if you find one that sugarcoats the procedure, or makes ANY guarantee whatsoever, I strongly urge you to find another doc.

Hope this helps. :)
 

TreyRandom

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Originally posted by: Darkstar757
hey bud

I wish you a speedy recovery

Im going to get my eyes looked at.

I wonder if anything can be done because I have astigmatisism

Depending on the severity of your astigmatism, the equipment used by the doctor, and the experience of the doctor, yes, LASIK can correct it.
 

slag

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Originally posted by: Darkstar757
hey bud

I wish you a speedy recovery

Im going to get my eyes looked at.

I wonder if anything can be done because I have astigmatisism

Thanks.

I just woke up from my nap and am seeing much better, but not perfect. My right eye is blurrier than my left eye, but it also needed more correction so hopefully it just needs healed better. I'm putting in the 2 drops every 4 hours and using REFRESH rewetting drops whenever I need them. I've worn glasses since 3rd grade and contacts since I was 16 and am now 30.

Hopefully after I sleep on it overnight, my eyes will get much better. I'm very hopeful and optimistic knowing that it takes time for things to heal and recover. My prescription was -8 in my left eye and -9.something in my right eye, so I was pretty blind before.

I had a minor astigmatism in my left eye that was corrected
 

TreyRandom

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Originally posted by: slag
Thanks.

I just woke up from my nap and am seeing much better, but not perfect. My right eye is blurrier than my left eye, but it also needed more correction so hopefully it just needs healed better. I'm putting in the 2 drops every 4 hours and using REFRESH rewetting drops whenever I need them. I've worn glasses since 3rd grade and contacts since I was 16 and am now 30.

Hopefully after I sleep on it overnight, my eyes will get much better. I'm very hopeful and optimistic knowing that it takes time for things to heal and recover. My prescription was -8 in my left eye and -9.something in my right eye, so I was pretty blind before.

I had a minor astigmatism in my left eye that was corrected

For the first few days, you'll notice ANY little bit of blurriness and wish you could take your "glasses" off and clean them a bit. But it will (usually) go away as your eyes heal and get used to the new focus. Keep your eyes closed as much as possible the first 24 hours. I vegged out listening to TV the whole day. :)

Our experiences are quite similar, it seems. You've had your glasses and contacts as long as I had them, and were only 2 years younger when you had the LASIK done. Your eyes were slightly worse than mine, but they should correct just fine. I, too, had slight astigmatism, which I never knew I had until the LASIK doc told me.
 

slag

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Here it is, 9:01 am and things are getting better. My right eye has caught up to my left eye, but of course, I cant see perfectly. I can see well enough to drive though.

Its pretty cool. I go in for my followup today at 3:30 so wish me luck.

Joe
 

frankie38

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I would advise you not to take the risk of eye surgery. Your cornea is very delicate and very thin.. The cornea is actually comprised of several layers. One of the most important layers of your cornea is called the endothelium. The endothelial layer of your cornea "pumps" liquid from you eye out and away from the cornea. WYou are born with all the endothelial cells you will ever have. These endothelial cells do NOT regenerate. That is once these cells are damaged or die then they NEVER grow back.

As you grow older these cells gradually die off. Any surgery to the eye and especially cornea can potentially damage the endothelial cells. As you damage cells combined with natural cell decay you could wind up with not enough endothelial cell density to do it job. That is you do not have enough cell function to kepp your Corneas clear and free from fluid. What results is Cornea edema. The cornea swells from too much fluid and you will not be able to see.

ASk your doctor about this. educate yourself about this. there is no long term history as to the LT effects of Laser surgery and cutting of cornea. You are taking a BIG RISK. There is a risk free solution called eyeglasses. They work, they do not damage your cornea and they are now fashionable. Give them a try!
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: slag
go away frankie.

Glasses are not a solution for many of us

How are they not an option? If your vision was correctable via laser obviously it was also correctable by glasses and/or contacts.

I would kill to be able to wear glasses, unfortunately I'm stuck with contacts until they no longer work. When that happens I'll be looking at cornea transplants (both eyes).

Laser eye surgery increases your risk for KC, on top of all the more commonly known risks.

Viper GTS