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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Doodoo
Originally posted by: Oyeve
Man. I used to have a 100gal tank once and had an extremely expensive array of fish. The upkeep of this cost me a bloddy fortune. And the tank broke and floodded my apartment and several below me so I gave it up and got a cat. Much easier to maintain. :) but having a nice aquarium is so freaking relaxing and beautiful.

One of the reasons I went with an acrylic tank for my reef. I can't imagine having that much water spill out onto the floor.

OP, you don't just let the water sit to settle...you want it to cycle.

I much prefer acrylic over glass....but then you spend a little more!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
They're awesome when done right, but reef tanks pretty much require you to replace any copper plumbing in your house, or buy all your water for the tank, which is 10% of the total per week, not counting evaporation.

A 55 gallon tank, which is quite small for saltwater, requires you to replace about 6 gallons of pre-salted/elemented de-chlorinated water per week. Your startup and maintence cost for a project like this will be considerable, and it will also make quite a dent in your free time.

Have fun with that.

If you remain serious, I would consult with Old Town Aquarium in Chicago regardless of where you live.

Exactly!! Testing your water will be a ongoing process and time consuming for the Salt Water enthusiast!
 

KK

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if you were closer I'd give you my tank. Damn things been running for alittle less than 2 years with no fish in it.
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Doodoo
Originally posted by: Oyeve
Man. I used to have a 100gal tank once and had an extremely expensive array of fish. The upkeep of this cost me a bloddy fortune. And the tank broke and floodded my apartment and several below me so I gave it up and got a cat. Much easier to maintain. :) but having a nice aquarium is so freaking relaxing and beautiful.

One of the reasons I went with an acrylic tank for my reef. I can't imagine having that much water spill out onto the floor.

OP, you don't just let the water sit to settle...you want it to cycle.

I much prefer acrylic over glass....but then you spend a little more!

See I actually prefer glass over acrylic. Mainly because I know I would scratch the hell out of an acrylic tank.

My current reef is a 65, but I'm seriously considering getting rid of it for two Current Solana 34g setups, one on each side of the couch. :D

Exactly!! Testing your water will be a ongoing process and time consuming for the Salt Water enthusiast!

It depends. After awhile if you are using a salt mix you are happy with that has the correct levels (I recommend Coralife or Red Sea Coral Pro), you can pretty much just take care of any levels that you would test for by just doing your weekly or bi-weekly water changes. I honestly can't remember the last time I tested for alkalinity or calcium in my reef. I do test for nitrate maybe once a month, but thats about it. For pH I have a digital meter that I can glance at as I look at the tank.
 

bobdole369

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"I like the little "Glow" fish I saw in wallyworld the other day"

A TERRIBLE place to get fish. Go for your local fish store - they are less likely to be mistreated and diseased. Walmart gets its fish from the lowest bidder and they are inbred like you wouldn't believe. Not that thats unusual for the fish world, but think puppy mills, but with fish instead of puppies. Less cute I know. Break out your phone book and look up a mom and pop. They are more likely to have healthy excellent quality fish, and it'll get you into a store where you might have better luck actually talking to the folks who know how to take care of fish.



"As a general rule, do NOT get your fishy advice from pet stores. MOST of the time, they don't really have a clue, and their sole purpose is to sell you something...even when you don't need it or it won't help your problem.
There are some very good internet forums out there with knowledgable folks whose only goal is to help you succeed...NOT make a profit on you..."


QFT!!! The bigger the chain - the more likely this is to be true. Avoid anywhere with "supermarket", "co", "smart", "store", "discount", "mart", etc in the name like the plague.

If you happen to have a "Big Al's Emporium" around you - then THAT is the place to go. Big Al's is total win.

Otherwise your mom and pop stores are the absolute best.

Some great links - www.fishlore.com www.aquaticcommunity.com www.fishforum.com to name a few.

It's absolutely paramount that you actually learn how the cycle works - lest you be frustrated and your fish die. Don't just let the water sit overnight - sometimes it takes over a month to get the aquarium ready before you can add a SINGLE fish!








 

Leros

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Reef aquariums cost $30-40 a gallon as a good rule.

My tiny 10g nano-reef cost me $350 for tank, lights, skimmer, and live rock alone.

My small 55G reef cost me thousands.
 

Old Hippie

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Don't just let the water sit overnight - sometimes it takes over a month to get the aquarium ready before you can add a SINGLE fish!

Took about 6 weeks and a little ammonia for me.



If you happen to have a "Big Al's Emporium" around you - then THAT is the place to go. Big Al's is total win.

I've never actually been to a Big Als, but they some great sales. :thumbsup:
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: keird
Are there temperate aquariums? How about sub-tropical fish?

You can stick anything that swims in a tank. The key is understanding EVERYTHING about every animal you plop in there, because you have to make the conditions correct for the life.

My immediate advice to anyone wishing to get a salt water fish tank, because they think it's "cool looking", is not to bother. Salt water tanks are well beyond hobby, and start-up costs are just the tip of the iceberg. These things are serious time and money gobblers, and if you fuck up, living things die. So just imagine what it would be like drowning in a pool of your own urine, before you decide to subject some poor animal to that.
 

keird

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Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Originally posted by: keird
Are there temperate aquariums? How about sub-tropical fish?

You can stick anything that swims in a tank. The key is understanding EVERYTHING about every animal you plop in there, because you have to make the conditions correct for the life.

My immediate advice to anyone wishing to get a salt water fish tank, because they think it's "cool looking", is not to bother. Salt water tanks are well beyond hobby, and start-up costs are just the tip of the iceberg. These things are serious time and money gobblers, and if you fuck up, living things die. So just imagine what it would be like drowning in a pool of your own urine, before you decide to subject some poor animal to that.

I have a funny story about a half of a 55 gallon drum of fermented urine, a highly motivated First Sergeant and an open mouth.





 

Hayabusa Rider

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look here too

Before you do anything, read and make sure you understand about how your tank will cycle.

If you understand what that term means and what to do and what NOT to do, then you will enjoy keeping fish. If not, then you will be posting questions like "Why do my fish keep dying?"

If I were you, I'd go with the 29 gallon and an Eheim canister or a Cascade filter if you want to hang something on the back. Then get a Coralife compact lighting unit and a glass top. DO NOT waste your time with the standard hood. It's not enough light.

Don't be lazy. Be prepared to do regular water changes. It's isn't a huge deal to do, but you will have all sorts of water chemistry issues if you don't, and that's life or death to your fish.

You will need to have and use a water testing kit that measures pH, ammonia, and nitrite at the very least. If you do water changes, then nitrate isn't a big deal, but if you have the test kit for the above, then nitrate will be included. It's useful if you have a planted aquarium to know what nitrate is, because plants will take it up. Not as critical as ammonia and nitrite though.

Don't forget that you will have to dechlorinate your water if you get it from your city or town. Well water doesn't have chlorine of course. You will kill your fish if you do not remove the chlorine.

Once upon a time, chlorine was used, but now longer lasting compounds that bind chlorine to the water are what you'll find coming out of the tap. Chloramines and such don't evaporate, and you'll have to chemically neutralize them. No biggie, but you must remember to treat.

Someone mentioned snails. Snails are a PIA, because they can overrun a tank. There are exceptions. One are the Nerites. They are often found in marine tanks, but freshwater people use them too. They will do fine, but they won't breed in freshwater, which IMO is perfect. They can be quite attractive on their own. Nerites are beautiful creatures in their own right.

Do be careful about what fish you select. I would avoid Walmart like the plague, as well as other large pet chains. Mail order is fine, and you can probably find reviews of local pet stores. In any case, find a store and go in and look around. If you see a fish you like DON'T buy it. Go read up on it.

African cichlids are beautiful fish. So are South American rams, also cichlids. If you try to keep them together, something will die. Why? Because the former need hard alkaline water. The latter need soft acid conditions. They are mutually exclusive in the same tank.

Then there is the question of temperment. Some fish just don't get along and will kill others of their own kind. Others will suffer unless kept in groups of half a dozen.

Sometimes one fish becomes anothers meal. You don't want that grief, so read, read, read, and THEN set up the tank. You'll not become discouraged and "wish you knew then what you know now". Don't be "that" guy.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: BoomerD

Some of the worst aquarium advice I've ever seen has been on ATOT...NOT the place I'd recommend. While there are a few knowledgable people here, the vast majority are clueless about aquariums...

So true. :laugh:
 

BoomerD

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Allow me to introduce you to my old friend Bob Fenner's site:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/

He's been involved in the hobby in one form or another for nearly his own life.
IF your searching skills suck, there's even a link where you can ask questions via e-mail, but odds are, your questions have been asked numerous times already.
 

nonameo

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You're going to at least need a 5,000 gal tank if you want any room to swim around in it.
 

evident

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thanks to this and another aquarium post, i am thinking about getting a freshwater aquarium going again!!! I had three different aquariums in 3rd grade and lasted me all the way to HS. there was a 10 gal goldfish tank, a 3 gal betta tank and a 10 gal fresh tropical fishtwater tank. I think i want to go with a 55 gal tank with some friendly tropical fish and a betta.