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Getting fed up with Windows 10 bugs

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pmv

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Anyone know a fix for these? Googling just turns up others with the same problems, including posts from people trying the pre-release versions.

A/ Most Used applications list in the start menu never updates, no matter how often a program is used, it never appears there

B/ (Haven't had this on my system, but it keeps happening on a friends one) the Start menu stops opening, requiring typing a load of command-line stuff to reinstall bits of Windows to get it to work again.

C/ If you don't have passwords set for every account you just get automatically logged in to the last used account with no option to pick which account you want to log in on.
 
I can't say I've seen A. Mine updated pretty quickly once I started using it. These days it doesn't update much since it's figured out the programs I use most (chrome, visual studio, sublime edit)

B: Reinstalling bits of Windows? You mean sfc /scannow? If that is being required frequently, it's indicative of a bigger problem (virus, hard disk corruption etc.)
 
A) Never have run into that.

B) I had that on rare occasion previously, (usually was just delayed), 1511 update back in November fixed it for me. Make sure you have that.

C) Not sure... 1 letter password as a workaround? I've had a basic password (for RDP reasons) for a long time now.
 
Thanks for replies.

It wasn't sfc /scannow - tried the sfc method each time it happened, but it never found any problems. The only thing that worked was -

Get-AppXPackage -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}

...and I'm not even sure what that does, other than I guess reinstall all the standard apps. Somehow that fixes the start menu problem.

from http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/com...g-here-are-four-ways-to-fix-it-11364000314532

No idea how to fix the start menu not updating - it populated at first and then it stopped adding anything. And when I reset it by turning it off-and-on-again, it just set itself back to the (useless) default apps and now refuses to add anything at all.

Oh, and the other annoyance is updateorchestrator keeps turning the computer back on when its hibernated (and leaving it on all night or all day) for no reason, even though every option I can find is set to tell it not to do that. But that was a problem towards the end with Windows 7 as well. I have to work around it by unplugging the machine from the wall socket when I hibernate it - not even Microsoft has found a way to mess with a computer that has no power.
 
A: I'm new to Win 10 and I'm seeing the same thing. Perhaps try something like classic shell or another start menu replacement program.
 
The most used list is wierd. It only shows 6 entries (might be dependent on your screen resolution), but there are more than 6 entries in the list. Right click on the entries you don't want and choose "Don't show in this list". Keep doing this until the ones you want appear. The latest entries appear to be on the botton, which is not shown if you have more than 6 entries.

They should improve this. Also, I believe that apps/programs pinned to start won't show on this list.
 
Yea, I dont get the love for Win10 that seems to be going around. I have had my share of bugs as well, the most annoying being 30% cpu usage at idle due to the Intel RST. Can shut it off manually without any seeming ill effects, but have to repeat turning it off every time I restart the computer. And I hate the growing attempts to take over everything by the Windows Store.

End of rant/back on topic, OP, I havent noticed any of the particular bugs you mention.
 
If you're getting 30% CPU usage by Intel RST then blame RST not Windows. By the way, I've had that happen with RST on Windows 7 systems also. Fix? Disable the RST service (from services.msc or from msconfig, either works).
 
pmv said:
Thanks for replies.

It wasn't sfc /scannow - tried the sfc method each time it happened, but it never found any problems. The only thing that worked was -

Get-AppXPackage -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}

...and I'm not even sure what that does, other than I guess reinstall all the standard apps. Somehow that fixes the start menu problem.

from http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/com...g-here-are-four-ways-to-fix-it-11364000314532

No idea how to fix the start menu not updating - it populated at first and then it stopped adding anything. And when I reset it by turning it off-and-on-again, it just set itself back to the (useless) default apps and now refuses to add anything at all.

Oh, and the other annoyance is updateorchestrator keeps turning the computer back on when its hibernated (and leaving it on all night or all day) for no reason, even though every option I can find is set to tell it not to do that. But that was a problem towards the end with Windows 7 as well. I have to work around it by unplugging the machine from the wall socket when I hibernate it - not even Microsoft has found a way to mess with a computer that has no power.
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That's reinstalling the base apps. No idea what that has to do with the start menu though...or why it needs to be reinstalled. Are they trying to uninstall the base packages (which you can do using another powershell cmdlet.)
 
quikah said:
The most used list is wierd. It only shows 6 entries (might be dependent on your screen resolution), but there are more than 6 entries in the list. Right click on the entries you don't want and choose "Don't show in this list". Keep doing this until the ones you want appear. The latest entries appear to be on the botton, which is not shown if you have more than 6 entries.

They should improve this. Also, I believe that apps/programs pinned to start won't show on this list.
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Good analysis, this does seem to be what is going on (plus for me it starts off with a completely random list of obscure apps). Removing all the nonsensical entries, and _then_ unpinning other things from the start menu, those newly-unpinned things have finally started to creep on to the most-used list - but only after I'd removed any start menu tiles referring to them.

Just wondering if once it fills up again, will the current 6 entries get stuck there long after they cease being the 'most used'?

I don't know why they couldn't have the most-used list work in a more common-sense fashion. If the music charts worked this way the top-ten would be full of Bill Hailey and Elvis until someone physically pried them out to make room for anything newer. And no acts that were mentioned anywhere else in the media would be allowed in.
 
RampantAndroid said:
That's reinstalling the base apps. No idea what that has to do with the start menu though...or why it needs to be reinstalled. Are they trying to uninstall the base packages (which you can do using another powershell cmdlet.)
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As I say, this particular bug (start menu not opening on left-click, right-click still works) hasn't happened on my PC, but its happened several time on a relative's, for no obvious reason. As with all bugs, googling it reveals others having it happen but not much explanation as to the cause. And it seems weird that reinstalling apps would fix it, but it did.

And the logging in automatically is apparently a deliberate choice, though I can't see the logic of it. Just because a multi-user machine doesn't require the security of user passwords, doesn't mean you want to have to waste time logging out and in again to get to the correct account.
 
pmv said:
Good analysis, this does seem to be what is going on (plus for me it starts off with a completely random list of obscure apps). Removing all the nonsensical entries, and _then_ unpinning other things from the start menu, those newly-unpinned things have finally started to creep on to the most-used list - but only after I'd removed any start menu tiles referring to them.

Just wondering if once it fills up again, will the current 6 entries get stuck there long after they cease being the 'most used'?
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Not showing pinned programs makes sense. You don't need them listed in 2 places. But, yeah, as far as I have observed the list is sorted in ascending order, oldest on top, so you never see the new entries. Seems like it got flipped somehow

They sent a survey out to insiders for some changes in the start menu, so maybe they will change this.
 
frozentundra123456 said:
Yea, I dont get the love for Win10 that seems to be going around.
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Not everything is 100% compatible, however. In such an event, it makes sense to stay on an older OS.

I've had different situations. Mostly older GPUs & wireless NICs not working properly on W10. So either, I replaced the affected parts, made some tweaks or just downgraded back. W10 works best with certified hardware, that's out of question, of course.
 
pmv said:
Anyone know a fix for these? Googling just turns up others with the same problems, including posts from people trying the pre-release versions.

A/ Most Used applications list in the start menu never updates, no matter how often a program is used, it never appears there

B/ (Haven't had this on my system, but it keeps happening on a friends one) the Start menu stops opening, requiring typing a load of command-line stuff to reinstall bits of Windows to get it to work again.

C/ If you don't have passwords set for every account you just get automatically logged in to the last used account with no option to pick which account you want to log in on.
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I also run into bugs in which i simply can't log on my microsoft account. It would keep telling me no wifi connection even though I am connected and able to surf the webs.
 
Start menu was being blocked by Cortana I believe. Attacking that process resolved the issue. That and/or a windows update a few months back.
It was experienced on 1 out of 5 Windows 10 PCs I have.
 
pmv said:
Anyone know a fix for these? Googling just turns up others with the same problems, including posts from people trying the pre-release versions.

A/ Most Used applications list in the start menu never updates, no matter how often a program is used, it never appears there

B/ (Haven't had this on my system, but it keeps happening on a friends one) the Start menu stops opening, requiring typing a load of command-line stuff to reinstall bits of Windows to get it to work again.

C/ If you don't have passwords set for every account you just get automatically logged in to the last used account with no option to pick which account you want to log in on.
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A/ I am not patient enough to wait. But I clear out the apps I really don't use that much, or the stupid list MS puts in a fresh install, and it seems to work correctly after that.

B/ Haven't seen that since an older preview build. If your friend is running preview builds (as part of the Insider Program), some bugs like that can certainly come up, which MS warns us about.

C/ I don't know why MS did that, except to encourage people to use passwords for this. Which I actually think is a good idea (the password part, not causing the pain for those who don't).

Speaking of the start menu, I did find one little quirk. The new start menu doesn't allow you to set the number of recent applications, it just adjusts to the size you set the menu to, up to 6. I noticed that mine had only 4 this morning, and showed empty space under that. A quick resize fixed this, but hopefully they will fix it at some point.
 
Ketchup said:
B/ Haven't seen that since an older preview build. If your friend is running preview builds (as part of the Insider Program), some bugs like that can certainly come up, which MS warns us about.

C/ I don't know why MS did that, except to encourage people to use passwords for this. Which I actually think is a good idea (the password part, not causing the pain for those who don't).
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B - Its not a preview build. It keeps happening, but the solutions I find all seem to relate to problems that people found in a preview build. For some reason the problem seems to still be there in the final release with regard to my friend's machine.

Simplest solution I've found is to use task manager to kill the "Runtime broker" service - which one source gave as a solution to the problem as occurring in earlier preview versions, where it was allegedly due to a memory leak in that service. No idea what is going on, the problem doesn't occur on my machine - maybe something went wrong with the win 10 update process for that box or there's some hardware-specific issue?

C is just an annoying design choice, because there are obviously cases where you don't want to log onto someone else's account automatically, but where its not necessary to have the security of a password.
 
How about this bug:

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I literally cannot delete anything in the Windows.old folder because it is saying that I need permission from the exact same account that I am on right now trying to delete the files! What utter trash software this company makes.
 
just run disk cleanup, click on clean up system files, check the 'previous installations' or whatever and it's gone.
 
nerp said:
just run disk cleanup, click on clean up system files, check the 'previous installations' or whatever and it's gone.
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Correct. You can't just delete these files. Windows configuration has to know that they are being removed.
 
Ketchup said:
Correct. You can't just delete these files. Windows configuration has to know that they are being removed.
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You can delete them. You just need to go into the the advanced security menu and change the owner from system to administrators.

But as someone else pointed out, you don't need to do that - you go through disk cleanup...which saves you the hassle of mucking around with ownership of files.

There's a bunch of stuff in Windows that an admin does not have access to by default - you have to change ownership of the files to do some things (some registry keys are protected for example.) And I've never really seen a reason to complain. The things protected like this are generally things that you should not be directly touching.
 
RampantAndroid said:
You can delete them. You just need to go into the the advanced security menu and change the owner from system to administrators.

But as someone else pointed out, you don't need to do that - you go through disk cleanup...which saves you the hassle of mucking around with ownership of files.

There's a bunch of stuff in Windows that an admin does not have access to by default - you have to change ownership of the files to do some things (some registry keys are protected for example.) And I've never really seen a reason to complain. The things protected like this are generally things that you should not be directly touching.
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Exactly. Since you can easily change it through menu options, I don't see a reason to start messing with permissions of Windows files.
 
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