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slikmunks

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: wixt0r
Corvettes and Mustangs, along with other domestics are for "<going fast as long as there are no turns involved. Throw turns in and you're screwed, that's what you get with horrible weight distribution and the likes>."

The point of this thread is to curb all the haters around here who bash import car drivers and for them to quit bashing domestic car drivers. A car's a car, if you think your preferred vehicle is better, say so using evidence without stereotyping the people who are involved or their cars. And quit with the name calling (specifically ricer). I find all these car debates to be obnoxiously ignorant with no point but to flame on either import or domestic cars. Funny comments are one thing, but ignorance should be kicked to the side. Wake up.

the above was my ignorant statement... knowing full well of course, with proper suspension work, domestics can be made to handle well... it wouldn't hurt to have a low center of gravity in a light car like *ahem*mycar*ahem* ;)

You trying to say that stock Corvettes don't handle well?

if you read carefully, that was my ignorant statement :p i didn't say they didn't handle well, but put one next to a stock 99 j-spec (same as the 95 here, pretty much) rx7 next to a stock corvette and see which one handles better on the track :) albeit, you could say take a supra and put it next to a corvette and my argument could be shot to pieces... damn supras... they're like domestic cars in an import body :p

Why, because they're actually fast? :)

nah, cuz they're big, wide, have traction problems, and have a hard time keeping up around corners on the track ;)
 

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Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Most people can't afford a Vette or a higher-end Mustang (I'm talking SVT Cobras), but then most people that own them tend to be less ignorant. Knowledgeable import guys tend to be way outnumbered by fartpiping, sticker-slapping ricers.

V6 Mustangs are gutless... just like Civic EXs are gutless. Heck, there's lots of gutless cars out there... doesn't mean squat though.
Not all domestics are dumbass pricks, not all imports are stupid ricers... unfortunately, a good majority of racers are... they never learned respect.

Exactly.
 

DanFungus

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I think you just made a thread for all car lovers to come in here and fight each other...haha

anywho, I love my WRX, and I'm glad I got it. Personally, I like newer cars. I don't like older "muscle cars". Too loud/rumbly for me. I just love my car..can't wait to mod a computer in it. (I don't need to put $$ into making it go faster as of now....I want cool stuff that makes it individualistic. Not many people-not many people around here that I know-have computers in their car. To me, this is the ultimate nerd toy :D
 

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As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: DanFungus
I think you just made a thread for all car lovers to come in here and fight each other...haha

anywho, I love my WRX, and I'm glad I got it. Personally, I like newer cars. I don't like older "muscle cars". Too loud/rumbly for me. I just love my car..can't wait to mod a computer in it. (I don't need to put $$ into making it go faster as of now....I want cool stuff that makes it individualistic. Not many people-not many people around here that I know-have computers in their car. To me, this is the ultimate nerd toy :D

i like my car too... not new, not OLD, it's kind of got a rumble... i have to say tho... at high rpm's, my car doesn't sound that great... (maybe it's cuz i have an exhaust leak) but at low rpm, the rumble is sweet, and nothing beats the sound of my rotors spinning inbetween gears... but what i wouldn't give to mix that sound with a nice all around rumble *drool*waitingfor3rotor*drool*
 

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so i was driving along the freeway the other day and this dude in a 1st gen eclipse pulls up to me and glaces at me and i can hear his exhaust and i would have raced him but it was my exit, so he speeds off pissed that i won't race him and then behind him comes this decade old accord with a huge wing on the back! it must have given him an extra 50 lbs of downforce with that big steel wing!

that guy in the eclipse sure did look pissed, he must have been a masochist because my accord dx is hella fast and he had to have known it, only a supra is faster than a honda
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

awwww.... dissed!!!!!! hahaha, small, yes, torqueless, kinda lacking on the low end, but not quite torqueless... :p, straightaway? don't doubt us... ;) so the only thing i see bad about my car is the low amount of low end torque... dAAAAHhhhhhh... :p 3 rotors... if they built all the 7's like they did cosmos and put in a 3 rotor... we'd have no problem with low end torque!!!
 

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lol....I'm so glad I grew up when I did. No internet.....and a time when REAL cars still roamed the roads.

I pity all you fools who get their kicks from driving hondas and nissans....LOL....they're nothing more than glorified lawnmowers....LOL!!!!!!!!

Serioiusly though....they might be nice cars for the family and shopping, etc......but kids these days actually cruise around in these cars and actually think they are cool or something.
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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

Anyways, I really dont care who does what. Sure, "rice" really isnt my thing, but hey. People spend money, and ALOT of money, on stickers and mufflers. If money is changin hands, capitalism is happy. If capitalism is happy, I'm happy.
 

slikmunks

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i dunno 'bout u guys... but when i had a car to drive at 16, the car itself was cool, didn't matter what type of car, as long as i had a car...
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not all of us could choose to get a awd turbo dsm mod it to hell and still have time to go to school using it as a daily driver....
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Mill

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

I know that Wankel rotary engines normally last about 3 miles.
 

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
lol....I'm so glad I grew up when I did. No internet.....and a time when REAL cars still roamed the roads. I pity all you fools who get their kicks from driving hondas and nissans....LOL....they're nothing more than glorified lawnmowers....LOL!!!!!!!! Serioiusly though....they might be nice cars for the family and shopping, etc......but kids these days actually cruise around in these cars and actually think they are cool or something.
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So you don't think there's any value into learning the internals of a car, whether it be a domestic or import, and taking the time to research parts and know their function and how they help increase power in a car? Personally that's my goal in wanting to put the time and money into my Integra, I feel the knowledge and experience will overcome the "ricer" comments, no matter how harsh they are.

I know the majority of the people who fix up their cars, primarily adolescents, could not care less about the whole issue, but I do. Their primary objective is the 1/4" time. Mine is the the total experience and wisdom gained from it.

I would be proud to drive my car around knowing this. And yes, to myself, I'd be the coolest kid on the block.
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

I know that Wankel rotary engines normally last about 3 miles.

YOU can keep your ignorance out... if you can't take care of one, don't get one. :|
 

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i drive a german car, but am really sad that the american sports car image has gone to what it has. even the corvete often seems to be referred to as a "white trash" car now. it really makes me sad to see that. i just hope that the american sports car image can be rebuilt. it seems the only american cars that still hold much respect are cadillacs and hummers
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: wixt0r
Originally posted by: Ferocious
lol....I'm so glad I grew up when I did. No internet.....and a time when REAL cars still roamed the roads. I pity all you fools who get their kicks from driving hondas and nissans....LOL....they're nothing more than glorified lawnmowers....LOL!!!!!!!! Serioiusly though....they might be nice cars for the family and shopping, etc......but kids these days actually cruise around in these cars and actually think they are cool or something.
rolleye.gif

So you don't think there's any value into learning the internals of a car, whether it be a domestic or import, and taking the time to research parts and know their function and how they help increase power in a car? Personally that's my goal in wanting to put the time and money into my Integra, I feel the knowledge and experience will overcome the "ricer" comments, no matter how harsh they are.

I know the majority of the people who fix up their cars, primarily adolescents, could not care less about the whole issue, but I do. Their primary objective is the 1/4" time. Mine is the the total experience and wisdom gained from it.

I would be proud to drive my car around knowing this. And yes, to myself, I'd be the coolest kid on the block.

i didn't say that there isn't any value to learning the internals of a car... i'm just saying... that for me and my friends at least... it was cool to have a car, not cool to have a car all fixed up... either way it's cool, as long as you have a car!!! that's the key!
 

notfred

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This really isn't an argument of Import vs. Domestic. It's an argument of Race Car vs. Show Car. And further, you can divide show car up into 2 segments: actualy show car, and POS wannabe show car.

There are two MAJOR groups building cars to race these days.
Group 1) American V8 guys. This includes old muscle cars, up through the 2003 Mustang Cobra and Corvette Z06.
Group 2) 4 cylinder guys. This includes turbo civics, the ford Focus SVT, mazdaspeed protege, dodge neon SRT-4, impreza WRX, and all other 4 cylinder cars meant to go fast.

There are a few other small groups out there, but in reality, they have a much smaller following (RX7, supra, viper, Grand National, etc)

Then there are show cars. There are several different styles of show cars:
Import style show car. whether you think this car looks good or not is not the point. The point is that everything is put together with quality workmanship. The parts look how they're supposed to. The paint is shiny, and looks nice.

Classic show cars. These are old. Some are modified, some simply look brand new. Point is, they're built to show off.

Modern domestic show car. New, V8, pretty.

Lowrider. Just another style to show off.

There's no rule that says fast cars can't look nice, or show cars cant go fast, but typically modification is geared one way or another.

The problem comes when someone wants to modify thier car, but hasn't the skill or the money. They go for performance with a K&N filter, new tires, and a strut tower brace. Or, they go for show with a body kit and wing, but can't afford to paint it (example) These are the people that are typically made fun of. The boundaries for when something counts as poorly done, and fits into these categories are subjective.
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: biffbacon
i drive a german car, but am really sad that the american sports car image has gone to what it has. even the corvete often seems to be referred to as a "white trash" car now. it really makes me sad to see that. i just hope that the american sports car image can be rebuilt. it seems the only american cars that still hold much respect are cadillacs and hummers

even the new hummers are losing the respect (at least that i had) of hummers... it looks... too refined... not rugged enough to be a hummer... it's just sad, imho... *flame suit on*
 

biffbacon

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Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: biffbacon
i drive a german car, but am really sad that the american sports car image has gone to what it has. even the corvete often seems to be referred to as a "white trash" car now. it really makes me sad to see that. i just hope that the american sports car image can be rebuilt. it seems the only american cars that still hold much respect are cadillacs and hummers

even the new hummers are losing the respect (at least that i had) of hummers... it looks... too refined... not rugged enough to be a hummer... it's just sad, imho... *flame suit on*

i agree totally. the H2 is a scaled down affordable car that crushes the hummer image (but i have seen it do impressively in off road test), but it is one of the few american cars that demands any respect when u see it on the road. Even though i would never buy one, i qould look more favorably on it than almost any domestic SUV out there in its price range
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

I know that Wankel rotary engines normally last about 3 miles.

YOU can keep your ignorance out... if you can't take care of one, don't get one. :|

Sorry I see you have a problem with your vocabulary. Truth does not equate to ignorance. It was a joke man lighten up.
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: notfred
This really isn't an argument of Import vs. Domestic. It's an argument of Race Car vs. Show Car. And further, you can divide show car up into 2 segments: actualy show car, and POS wannabe show car.

There are two MAJOR groups building cars to race these days.
Group 1) American V8 guys. This includes old muscle cars, up through the 2003 Mustang Cobra and Corvette Z06.
Group 2) 4 cylinder guys. This includes turbo civics, the ford Focus SVT, mazdaspeed protege, dodge neon SRT-4, impreza WRX, and all other 4 cylinder cars meant to go fast.

There are a few other small groups out there, but in reality, they have a much smaller following (RX7, supra, viper, Grand National, etc)

Then there are show cars. There are several different styles of show cars:
Import style show car. whether you think this car looks good or not is not the point. The point is that everything is put together with quality workmanship. The parts look how they're supposed to. The paint is shiny, and looks nice.

Classic show cars. These are old. Some are modified, some simply look brand new. Point is, they're built to show off.

Modern domestic show car. New, V8, pretty.

Lowrider. Just another style to show off.

There's no rule that says fast cars can't look nice, or show cars cant go fast, but typically modification is geared one way or another.

The problem comes when someone wants to modify thier car, but hasn't the skill or the money. They go for performance with a K&N filter, new tires, and a strut tower brace. Or, they go for show with a body kit and wing, but can't afford to paint it (example) These are the people that are typically made fun of. The boundaries for when something counts as poorly done, and fits into these categories are subjective.

well put! and yeah, not too many of us... :p
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

I know that Wankel rotary engines normally last about 3 miles.

YOU can keep your ignorance out... if you can't take care of one, don't get one. :|

Sorry I see you have a problem with your vocabulary. Truth does not equate to ignorance. It was a joke man lighten up.

if it's a joke, put a :) on it, and i'll take it as a joke... :D
 

BatmanNate

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

Anyways, I really dont care who does what. Sure, "rice" really isnt my thing, but hey. People spend money, and ALOT of money, on stickers and mufflers. If money is changin hands, capitalism is happy. If capitalism is happy, I'm happy.


The N/A RX-7 is neither large, nor brimming with torque, nor either as fast as the Supra to which I was comparing it. Thanks for playing.
 

Shockwave

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

Anyways, I really dont care who does what. Sure, "rice" really isnt my thing, but hey. People spend money, and ALOT of money, on stickers and mufflers. If money is changin hands, capitalism is happy. If capitalism is happy, I'm happy.


The N/A RX-7 is neither large, nor brimming with torque, nor either as fast as the Supra to which I was comparing it. Thanks for playing.

ok, and a NA Supra isnt going to be blowing barn doors off either.
Yes, I HAVE owned a RX-7. Yes, I KNOW how to take care of rotaries. Yes, they have about 6 different variants of the engine. You go ahead and name me one model of a rotary engine without googling, or name me what the most likely component to fail on a rotary engine is, or the common transmission problem with Gen I's. Until then, STFU.
 

BatmanNate

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
As opposed to RX-7 which are small, torqueless, and have trouble keeping up along the straightaway?

Obviously you dont know much about RX-7's. Please keep your ignorance to a minimium. Thanks.

Anyways, I really dont care who does what. Sure, "rice" really isnt my thing, but hey. People spend money, and ALOT of money, on stickers and mufflers. If money is changin hands, capitalism is happy. If capitalism is happy, I'm happy.


The N/A RX-7 is neither large, nor brimming with torque, nor either as fast as the Supra to which I was comparing it. Thanks for playing.

ok, and a NA Supra isnt going to be blowing barn doors off either.
Yes, I HAVE owned a RX-7. Yes, I KNOW how to take care of rotaries. Yes, they have about 6 different variants of the engine. You go ahead and name me one model of a rotary engine without googling, or name me what the most likely component to fail on a rotary engine is, or the common transmission problem with Gen I's. Until then, STFU.

Awww, did somebody get his panties in a bunch? I was merely responding to slikmunks zealotrous defense of the RX-7 and hate on the Supra with an Apple to Orange comparison. I don't even dislike RX-7's, although they certainly don't belong in the ranks of the Corvette that this thread was started about. Have some cough syrup and your angst will go away. :)