get Samsung 213T, not Dell 2001fp ??

[aamsel]

Well, from everything I have read about the Dell 2001fp monitor, it:
1.) puts out too much heat
2.) uses too much power
Other than that, it looks like it is a delightful monitor.
I saw the Samsung 213T yesterday, and it really looked nice. I know that the Dell is a pinch "faster" but I doubt it would make any day-to-day difference to me.
What worries me the most about buying the 213T (or any LCD) are the various "dead pixel" policies of the various local and on-line merchants. Newegg is at least 6 (or 8) for return, Circuit City, yesterday told me 8.
I would really like to buy a brand new $1100+ LCD with no dead pixels. If I was buying a 15 or 17" I wouldn't care, but a 21.3" I really do care.
What are your opinions on how to deal with this situation?? I won't pay a 15% ($165+) restocking fee to send one back, so what do I do?
Also, I already own a Samsung 191T. I would really like a true upgrade. Is there a monitor I am not considering that would be a real step up, that does not cost another $300-500 more than either the Dell or the 213T? If not, which of the two monitors (the 2001fp or the 213T) would you TRULY consider to be a real upgrade to the 191T (other than just real estate) and why? If you think the 191T is just or almost as good as either choice, please state that also.
Thanks!
Andrew
Austin, TX
Thanks,
Andrew
Austin, TX

 

[Shogun]

Last fall I looked at the Samsung 213T. It is a nice display -- sharp picture, crisp colours. But at the time it was close to $2K up here in Canada after taxes.

I ended up waiting until the Dell 2001FP was released. Sure, it is only a 20" panel compared to the 21.3" of the Samsung. I am very impressed with my Dell. I am not a huge gamers, but I do like to play the occasional FPS. I can see no motion blur on the Dell at all. Also, the scaling abilities of the Dell is very good. In fact I haven't seen another panel that looks this good when not run at its native resolution.

Have a look at the thread titled The definitive LCD thread over at Ars (I hope the link works). If you jump forward to around October of last year there is a lot of good discussion about these two panels. In fact, one individual had the Samsung and took it back. He ended up getting the Dell. He wrote up a very well articulated review between the two panels.

No matter which you choose, I am sure you will love the panel!

 

[aamsel]

Thanks, I REALLY appreciate your sending me to that link, I will check it out right now!
I am wanting to get something that is more than just...more, bigger display than what I have right now in the 191T. I do love the 191T a lot, but would rather be further down the technology curve if possible. As I had said, the only things that bugged me about the Dell were the heat and power mentions, but power is not really a big deal.
Thanks a lot!
Andrew
Austin, TX

 

[lowinor]

I haven't noticed any heat/power issues on my 2001FP. The only thing about it I'm not fond of is that the video inputs and power connector are directly below the front bezel and tend to be visible for normal use unless you aggressively pin them back. I currently have two computers (one VGA, one DVI) and my Gamecube attached to my 2001FP, so there is a bit of cabling to deal with.

Last year I decided to move from CRT to LCD because at the time I wanted to comfortably fit 2 monitors on my desktop, and 2 CRTs just wasn't going to work.

I started with a Samsung 22" CRT and a Sony 17" LCD, but eventually decided to replace the CRT with a LCD panel.

I started with a Viewsonic VP213B (I think that's the model number; it ended with 213B, at least) which I believe is very similar to the Samsung 213T. Its pixel clock wasn't terribly good and the ghosting in games was extremely noticable, especially anything colored bright red -- a red character moving across the screen in Dark Age of Camelot would leave a trail halfway across the screen.

So I sent it back, and got a Dell 2000FP for $500 less. It was a very noticable upgrade. Although it didn't have quite the color purity of the Viewsonic, ghosting was absent in any game I threw at it. A very nice panel at a very nice price. Only complaint is the size of the bezel on it as I was using it in a multiple monitor config.

So then I got a second Dell 2000FP to replace the Sony 17".

And then the 2001FP came out, and I picked one of those up too (and moved over one of my 2000FPs and hooked it up to my laptop docking station).

The 2001FP is a significant upgrade over the 2000FP as well -- it has more deep colors than the Viewsonic did and still no ghosting whatsoever. As said above, it also handles non-native resolutions very, very well. The Viewsonic didn't do this very well, and the 2000FP while passable wasn't great. The 2001FP looks great even at 1280x1024 or 1024x768.

I can't reccomend the monitor enough.

And if you do decide to get it, please make note of Dell's periodic specials -- while it's normally $1000, it often drops to $850 for a week at the time.

 

[aamsel]

It is on sale today. I just would REALLY like to know what the "screen door effect" really is and looks like.
Andrew
Austin, TX

Originally posted by: lowinor
I haven't noticed any heat/power issues on my 2001FP. The only thing about it I'm not fond of is that the video inputs and power connector are directly below the front bezel and tend to be visible for normal use unless you aggressively pin them back. I currently have two computers (one VGA, one DVI) and my Gamecube attached to my 2001FP, so there is a bit of cabling to deal with.

Last year I decided to move from CRT to LCD because at the time I wanted to comfortably fit 2 monitors on my desktop, and 2 CRTs just wasn't going to work.

I started with a Samsung 22" CRT and a Sony 17" LCD, but eventually decided to replace the CRT with a LCD panel.

I started with a Viewsonic VP213B (I think that's the model number; it ended with 213B, at least) which I believe is very similar to the Samsung 213T. Its pixel clock wasn't terribly good and the ghosting in games was extremely noticable, especially anything colored bright red -- a red character moving across the screen in Dark Age of Camelot would leave a trail halfway across the screen.

So I sent it back, and got a Dell 2000FP for $500 less. It was a very noticable upgrade. Although it didn't have quite the color purity of the Viewsonic, ghosting was absent in any game I threw at it. A very nice panel at a very nice price. Only complaint is the size of the bezel on it as I was using it in a multiple monitor config.

So then I got a second Dell 2000FP to replace the Sony 17".

And then the 2001FP came out, and I picked one of those up too (and moved over one of my 2000FPs and hooked it up to my laptop docking station).

The 2001FP is a significant upgrade over the 2000FP as well -- it has more deep colors than the Viewsonic did and still no ghosting whatsoever. As said above, it also handles non-native resolutions very, very well. The Viewsonic didn't do this very well, and the 2000FP while passable wasn't great. The 2001FP looks great even at 1280x1024 or 1024x768.

I can't reccomend the monitor enough.

And if you do decide to get it, please make note of Dell's periodic specials -- while it's normally $1000, it often drops to $850 for a week at the time.

 

[superspacey]

i have seen 6 samsung lcds, three 152Ts and three 173Ts... out of all of these, thats 3 x 1024 x 768 + 3 x 1280 x 1024 pixels, there was one dead pixel that was stuck off. i think samsung is pretty reliable, but also with a 21" model, the larger transistors than in a 20" are probably less susceptible to manufacturing error.

maybe you could find a store that would accept returns on the lcd if there was dead pixels, not the manufacturer...

i personally love my dual 173Ts

 

[DrumBum]

Originally posted by: aamsel
It is on sale today. I just would REALLY like to know what the "screen door effect" really is and looks like.
Andrew
Austin, TX

[/quote]

I saw a 20" viewsonic at Fry's, and I think it might have been the same panel as the 2001fp. It had the screen door effect. This means that you can see a grid that goes in between every pixel. On the monitor I looked at, the grid was pretty dark, and it really bothered me, but some people aren't bothered by it. Find out what other monitor uses the same panel and go look at it at Fry's.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: aamsel
Well, from everything I have read about the Dell 2001fp monitor, it:
1.) puts out too much heat
2.) uses too much power
Other than that, it looks like it is a delightful monitor.
I saw the Samsung 213T yesterday, and it really looked nice. I know that the Dell is a pinch "faster" but I doubt it would make any day-to-day difference to me.
What worries me the most about buying the 213T (or any LCD) are the various "dead pixel" policies of the various local and on-line merchants. Newegg is at least 6 (or 8) for return, Circuit City, yesterday told me 8.
I would really like to buy a brand new $1100+ LCD with no dead pixels. If I was buying a 15 or 17" I wouldn't care, but a 21.3" I really do care.
What are your opinions on how to deal with this situation?? I won't pay a 15% ($165+) restocking fee to send one back, so what do I do?
Also, I already own a Samsung 191T. I would really like a true upgrade. Is there a monitor I am not considering that would be a real step up, that does not cost another $300-500 more than either the Dell or the 213T? If not, which of the two monitors (the 2001fp or the 213T) would you TRULY consider to be a real upgrade to the 191T (other than just real estate) and why? If you think the 191T is just or almost as good as either choice, please state that also.
Thanks!
Andrew
Austin, TX
Thanks,
Andrew
Austin, TX

I bought the Samsung 213T about six months ago. I can honestly say it is one of the best purchases I have ever made. The monitor is fast enough and looked better (in my opinion) to the Dell. Every person that I know of (reviews I have read too) that have purchased this monitor have had no problems with dead pixels. Out of the box my monintor did not have one dead pixel.

The monitor games great too! I could see a minor amount of ghosting in Battlefield 1942 (fps) but after a minute of play I couldn't see it anymore. You adjust to the slight ghosting and can no longer see it.

The 213T is also larger than the Dell (more realestate). You already know the quality of a Samsung LCD (191 T you own). Stick with Samsung and the 213T!

 

[aamsel]

I think I am about to come to that decision (stick to Samsungs).
The only other monitor I wish I could see first is the HP 23" display, but it is $500 more than the Samsung. It does have compositite video in, etc. but poorer specs (in theory). As we are all coming to realize, the specs don't say it all, but I can not imagine an HP being a higher quality display than a Samsung at this time.
Thank you!
Andrew
Austin, TX

Originally posted by: jrphoenix[/bThe 213T is also larger than the Dell (more realestate). You already know the quality of a Samsung LCD (191 T you own). Stick with Samsung and the 213T!

 

[Alptraum]

If you have the cash I would go for the 213t. Pretty much every comparision I have seen puts it ahead of the 2001fp. The 213t is the next monitor I want

 

[aamsel]

Thanks, that is what I believe I have decided to do. Like I said, would like a really "quick peek" at the 23" HP, but it can't be as good quality as a Samsung, so never mind!
Andrew
Austin, TX

Originally posted by: Alptraum
If you have the cash I would go for the 213t. Pretty much every comparision I have seen puts it ahead of the 2001fp. The 213t is the next monitor I want

 

[larciel]

i bought dell 1900fp (which is 191T) ,, and it was one of best purchase.

one reason i'll choose dell over samsung (in 20inch) is because of PNP and s-video input. (i think it'll come handy w/ my ps2)

of course, i can put aiw card, and be happy

 

[Jincuteguy]

are u sure the 213T is better than 2001fp? i thought 2001fp is better for gaming? so why would u all choose 213T over the Dell?

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
are u sure the 213T is better than 2001fp? i thought 2001fp is better for gaming? so why would u all choose 213T over the Dell?

Anandtech review of the Dell 2001FP

Anandtech review of the Samsung 213T

 

[dworley]

Andrew,

I can confirm that the 2001FP does havea noticeable"screen door effect" (You can just barely seethe pixel grid, like looking through a screen window/door)

I own a 2000FP and recently purchased several 2001FP's for the office. Brought one home to swap with my 2000FP but undecided if I like it better.

I am in Austin also and have been checking out the monitors at Fry's as they have the Viewsonic 201b(16ms) and Samsung 213t in stock.They also offer a performance service plan which I believe covers dead pixels.

Also purchased the Samsung 24" 243t from Frys' to use at the office for demo's and it is simply AMAZING!!!! I took my Shuttle in to workand have been playing UT2004 and Far Cry in Widescreen mode! It was $2199 with a $200 rebate which is a few hunderd less than any online sites! I am also happy to report that there were no dead pixels!

-Dave

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
are u sure the 213T is better than 2001fp? i thought 2001fp is better for gaming? so why would u all choose 213T over the Dell?

The Dell is a bit faster than the Samsung... I've seen both and the Samsung looks much better. I bought the Samsung and couldn't be happier (not one dead pixel). I've hear some Dell purchasers have had some pixels bad on their new displays. Honestly I could see a slight ghost (hardly noticeable) when playing FPS at the begining... your eyes / brain adjust and you can no longer see it unless you really try after a while.

Go Samsung

 

[yhelothar]

My neighbor has the 213T... I played farcry on it... TONS OF GHOSTING/STREAKING!
I can't even see ghosting to that degree from my 15" Sony LCD that's on VGA connection.

 

[Jincuteguy]

yep, all the samsung ones have a lot of ghosting, who said it has little ghostings? the dell is the one with little or no ghosting at all. Some ppl said on the samsung one, even when you move the mouse cursor around your desktop, u can see its blurry and ghosting.

 

[EarthwormJim]

Personally I'd go for the Samsung 213T, you can buy it local unlike the 2001fp meaning you can return it for pretty much any reason. If you don't like the 213T then simply return it and get the 2001fp.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
yep, all the samsung ones have a lot of ghosting, who said it has little ghostings? the dell is the one with little or no ghosting at all. Some ppl said on the samsung one, even when you move the mouse cursor around your desktop, u can see its blurry and ghosting.

Do you know what you're talking about? Have you seen the monitors in action? I played Max Payne 2 on a samsung 213t and it was just fine, no serious ghosting, I wouldn't say any more than my 16ms 17" LCD. But the desktop is so crystal clear compared to the Dell 2001fp panel, which I saw in the Viewsonic VP201s

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy

yep, all the samsung ones have a lot of ghosting, who said it has little ghostings? the dell is the one with little or no ghosting at all. Some ppl said on the samsung one, even when you move the mouse cursor around your desktop, u can see its blurry and ghosting.

Do you know what you're talking about? Have you seen the monitors in action? I played Max Payne 2 on a samsung 213t and it was just fine, no serious ghosting, I wouldn't say any more than my 16ms 17" LCD. But the desktop is so crystal clear compared to the Dell 2001fp panel, which I saw in the Viewsonic VP201s

2vs1.. you lose..

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy

yep, all the samsung ones have a lot of ghosting, who said it has little ghostings? the dell is the one with little or no ghosting at all. Some ppl said on the samsung one, even when you move the mouse cursor around your desktop, u can see its blurry and ghosting.

Do you know what you're talking about? Have you seen the monitors in action? I played Max Payne 2 on a samsung 213t and it was just fine, no serious ghosting, I wouldn't say any more than my 16ms 17" LCD. But the desktop is so crystal clear compared to the Dell 2001fp panel, which I saw in the Viewsonic VP201s

Some people are real sensitive to ghosting and will be bothered greatly while some are not. Same way some are bothered by "screen door effect" on Dell 2001fp and others are not.

If some ghosting bothers you, DO NOT get Samsung 213T.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy



yep, all the samsung ones have a lot of ghosting, who said it has little ghostings? the dell is the one with little or no ghosting at all. Some ppl said on the samsung one, even when you move the mouse cursor around your desktop, u can see its blurry and ghosting.

Do you know what you're talking about? Have you seen the monitors in action? I played Max Payne 2 on a samsung 213t and it was just fine, no serious ghosting, I wouldn't say any more than my 16ms 17" LCD. But the desktop is so crystal clear compared to the Dell 2001fp panel, which I saw in the Viewsonic VP201s

Some people are real sensitive to ghosting and will be bothered greatly while some are not. Same way some are bothered by "screen door effect" on Dell 2001fp and others are not.



If some ghosting bothers you, DO NOT get Samsung 213T.

At least you can try the Samsung 213t without it costing you anything to return it. The Dell 2001fp panel ghosts too, so does the 17" 16ms panel that's in so many monitors.... It's just not that noticable. Having seen and gamed on both the Samsung 213t and the Viewsonic vp201s, I can say that the Samsung 213t is better than the Dell.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy



yep, all the samsung ones have a lot of ghosting, who said it has little ghostings? the dell is the one with little or no ghosting at all. Some ppl said on the samsung one, even when you move the mouse cursor around your desktop, u can see its blurry and ghosting.

Do you know what you're talking about? Have you seen the monitors in action? I played Max Payne 2 on a samsung 213t and it was just fine, no serious ghosting, I wouldn't say any more than my 16ms 17" LCD. But the desktop is so crystal clear compared to the Dell 2001fp panel, which I saw in the Viewsonic VP201s

Some people are real sensitive to ghosting and will be bothered greatly while some are not. Same way some are bothered by "screen door effect" on Dell 2001fp and others are not.



If some ghosting bothers you, DO NOT get Samsung 213T.

At least you can try the Samsung 213t without it costing you anything to return it. The Dell 2001fp panel ghosts too, so does the 17" 16ms panel that's in so many monitors.... It's just not that noticable. Having seen and gamed on both the Samsung 213t and the Viewsonic vp201s, I can say that the Samsung 213t is better than the Dell.

Then get the Samsung. No one is stopping you.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Jincuteguy
yep, all the samsung ones have a lot of ghosting, who said it has little ghostings? the dell is the one with little or no ghosting at all. Some ppl said on the samsung one, even when you move the mouse cursor around your desktop, u can see its blurry and ghosting.

The ghosting isn't bad at all.... Have you ever used the 213 for gaming like I do everyday???? Come on... Here is a link to a review of the Samsung specifically for gaming: Review