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What is that Pacifia Virtualization Technology feature within A64 X2 Windsor core ?

What's its role ? Is it going to do anything with performance or stability ?

Because I ain't gonna buy any Athlon 64 X2 this year, if just next year I'll be able to get that new technology if it's ever worth it.
 
This site suggests that K9 is going to be released as a quad-core CPU to arrive in 2006, which is when AMD's next-generation line was supposed to be released.
If that's the case, then K9 is going to be short-lived it would seem.
 
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
What concerns me is this "pacifica" security technology. I vowed never to touch a Pentium D(RM) because of what Intel has done with that stuff, and now AMD is sipping the poison as well?!? :shocked:
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It's "Presidio." The roadmap says it's in the current set of X2 processors :Q, but we have heard no indication of that. But maybe somebody should get to the bottom of this. Because if DRM is in these chips too, expect a lot of cancelled orders. Actually, if this is true, and people don't cancel their orders, I'm going to go on a verbal ass-kicking spree. If you submit to generalized hardware-enforced DRM, I will have no respect for you.
 
read:

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/2015s.pdf
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc5010.pdf
http://www.infineon.com/tpm
http://www.infineon.com/cmc_upload/documents/079/908/TPMFlyer04-2003.pdf
http://www.infineon.com/cmc_upload/documents/048/003/TPM_FAQ_1.pdf
http://www.national.com/pf/PC/PC21100.html
http://www.national.com/ds/PC/PC21100.pdf
http://www.st.com/stonline/books/ascii/docs/10425.htm
http://www.ami.com/amibios8
http://www.ami.com/support/doc/AMIBIOS8_TCPA_whitepaper.pdf
https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/downloads/TCG_Solutions_Catalog.pdf
http://www.tonymcfadden.net/tpmvendors.html
http://www.pc.ibm.com/europe/security/de/index.html
http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/do.../HP_ProtectTools_Embedded_Security.pdf
http://www.dell.com/security
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/2004_tpm.pdf
http://www.intel.com/technology/security/index.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/ngscb
http://www.utimaco.de/
http://www.wave.com/products/ets.html
http://www.bsi.bund.de/sichere_plattfor...mp/stellung/StellungnahmeTCG1_2a_e.pdf
http://www.bsi.bund.de/sichere_plattfor...ung/TCG-GG_Position_Paper_Response.pdf
http://www.europa.eu.int/comm/internal_...t/privacy/docs/wpdocs/2004/wp86_de.pdf
http://www.europa.eu.int/comm/internal_...t/privacy/docs/wpdocs/2004/wp86_en.pdf
http://www.lfd.m-v.de/informat/tcpa/tcpa.html
http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa
http://enforcer.sourceforge.net/
http://www.perseus-os.org/
http://www.perseus-os.org/
http://www.perseus-os.org/twiki/bin/view/Documentation/TrustedGrub
http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2004/Dec/2040.html
http://sourceforge.net/projects/trousers
http://www.infsec.ethz.ch/people/psevinc/TPMEmulatorTalk.pdf
http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/papers_ps/kauer-beleg.pdf
 
Originally posted by: bersl2
It's "Presidio." The roadmap says it's in the current set of X2 processors :Q, but we have heard no indication of that. But maybe somebody should get to the bottom of this. Because if DRM is in these chips too, expect a lot of cancelled orders. Actually, if this is true, and people don't cancel their orders, I'm going to go on a verbal ass-kicking spree. If you submit to generalized hardware-enforced DRM, I will have no respect for you.
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Yeah, I backed out of an Intel Pentium D idea because of the DRM, and I'm going to be really pissed if AMD does the same thing. Naturally, since both "Pacifica" and "Presidio" are mentioned in the same article, I got the wrong one. 😱
 
I lived in Pacifica for my first year of University. The Presidio is also a very very nice place, I love going there whenever I'm back at home. Wait, we're talking about processors here?? 😛

If this "Presidio" is hardware copyright protection, you have to give AMD credit for romanticizing the name! Better than "DRM" - that's something an engineer would come up with. Anyways, if Intel and AMD go with "DRM" chips, who would we go to now?? XBox360? 😉
 
This is one trade off of having an integrated memory controller. You'll have to shift sockets every time there is new memory standard out there. AMD needs to work out their sockets. They have a lot in the market right now 754, 939 socket A, 940 and now M2. Plus some brand share different sockets. Sempron have 754 and 939 etc etc.
 
Originally posted by: ryanv12
I lived in Pacifica for my first year of University. The Presidio is also a very very nice place, I love going there whenever I'm back at home. Wait, we're talking about processors here?? 😛

If this "Presidio" is hardware copyright protection, you have to give AMD credit for romanticizing the name! Better than "DRM" - that's something an engineer would come up with. Anyways, if Intel and AMD go with "DRM" chips, who would we go to now?? XBox360? 😉
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DRM is an acronym for Digital Rights Management, which is a euphamism of the general concept of copyright protection. It is a possible (read: probable) application of a concept called "trusted computing" (read: "treacherous computing"), of which the specific implementation we are discussing is called TCPA (vendor-wise, AMD's is "Presidio" and Intel's is "LaGrande").

FAQ (against)
Wikipedia article (neutrality disputed)

Finding sources in favor is left as an exercise (an easy one) to the reader.

Mind you, some of us have been trying to tell people this was coming years in advance, but of course nobody bothered to help us put more pressure on the industries involved (they're way behind schedule). Some have been flat-out dismissive (I have one person in mind on this forum, whose username---fortunately for him---I have forgotten), and I hope those people eat their words.

But that's neither here nor there. :disgust:

As an addendum, I was very recently shown the ideas of Theodor Adorno. From the little information presented in the article, it appears that he called what appears to be playing itself out right before our eyes: in the cultural sense, culture is increasingly controlled by corporations, and everything and everyone participating therein is treated as an object. And DRM is the latest in the control toolset. (I won't cover the sociopolitical angle, because I would have to drop the political F-bomb, and that would be better covered in ATOT.)
 
By the time M2 comes out, DDR2 will have much lower latencies, like DDR now. That FX-59 and X2 5000 will own! nForce 5's and nVidia 8850gtx's for everyone!
 
What concerns me is this "pacifica" security technology.
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Sorry guys, its just virtualization stuff. It allows the kernel to run two independent OS's at once, like Intel's VT. It has nothing to do with DRM.

Kristopher
 
Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
What concerns me is this "pacifica" security technology.
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Sorry guys, its just virtualization stuff. It allows the kernel to run two independent OS's at once, like Intel's VT. It has nothing to do with DRM.

Kristopher
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He meant to say "Presidio." Check the roadmap graphic.

But once again, nobody has confirmed whether AMD is going ahead with the plans or, in the case of the soon-shipping X2 on 939 (again, see graphic), actually rolling it out.

Everybody: Don't panic. (Yet.)
 
Originally posted by: ariafrost
!!! S939 Semprons! These may be overclocking KINGS! 😀
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Especially because they are winchesster with half the cache locked....Maybe they come up with a way to enable the extra cache 😛
 
Regarding cache and overclocking, San Diego seems to be overclocking atleast aswell as Venice, so I wouldn't expect S939 Semprons to be particularly good overclockers.
 
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