get a dui here, your mug shot goes on facebook lolz

[surfsatwerk]

Sounds like you're saying it's acceptable to drive under the influence ... no big deal? Chances are you will be hit by a sober driver rather than an intoxicated one?
I don't get your point. The drunk driver has a choice not to drink and drive.
I believe bad drivers should lose their licenses too if they endanger people.
There are bad drivers and then there are those who purposely drink and get behind the wheel.
Your strawman sucks ... try again.

All bad driving is a choice. The drunk is no different than any other wreckless driver.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I'm not going to get into this because I know I'm not going to change your mind, nor are you going to change mine. Besides, it looks like you already have your hands full. My position is that whether or not a victim is attached to a DUI is merely a matter of luck and circumstance. It's not a reflection of how guilty the perpetrator is or how dangerous he may or may not be in the future.

And on the subject of the "future"... someone who has their face slapped on the Internet because they're a repeat DUI offender is a reckless piece of shit, and I really couldn't care less about their privacy; you're slippery slope arguments notwithstanding.

If I'm going to sleight someone, it's going to be the narcissistic douchebag who didn't learn from his first offense, and I'm not going to get into an argument with someone who's turned the entire discussion into a battle of semantics. From everyone who's ever lost a loved one to a repeat DUI offender, let me say "fuck you."

I didn't know this was about repeat offenders. That wasn't what the title stipulated.

I would be curious to see how you feel about crimes like assault, unlawful discharge of a firearm, possession of a deadly weapon etc.... should these all be prosecuted as Murder 1? Because they can all lead to murder 1.

Also the bit about "luck and circumstance" is pure shenanigans.

 

[Scarpozzi]

How are you supposed to buy more beer/alcohol if you run out and are already drunk? It seems to me that the system is broken, unless someone can fix the larger supply-chain issue.

 

[Stuxnet]

I didn't know this was about repeat offenders.

Reading the article in the OP helps with stuff like that.

 

[Numenorean]

changing your story again. you said:



I listed many other scenarios that someone could get arrested for something they aren't guilty of.

What is your position exactly? Instead of answering in a story "well if such in such is driving with xyz and the cop does abc...blah blah "

Just say your damn position: "I believe xyz because abc"

simple.

No, you listed a bunch of hypothetical gibberish nonsense.

My position is pretty clear, just because you can't understand it doesn't mean much.

 

[AMDZen]

My position is pretty clear, just because you can't understand it doesn't mean much.

Yes, you've made it clear that your position is exactly the same position the other sheep in your flock want it to be, and that you have no thoughts of your own.

Congrats

 

[IceBergSLiM]

No, you listed a bunch of hypothetical gibberish nonsense.

My position is pretty clear, just because you can't understand it doesn't mean much.

Hypothetical? Nothing was hypothetical, I was stating known facts. Your positions are what seem to be hypothetical.

What is your position and why are you afraid to state it like an adult?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Reading the article in the OP helps with stuff like that.

Nobody was basing any of their commentary on this being about convicted repeat offenders. I should have read the Op but it was *I thought* pretty well summarized in the title.

 

[Numenorean]

Hypothetical? Nothing was hypothetical, I was stating known facts. Your positions are what seem to be hypothetical.

What is your position and why are you afraid to state it like an adult?

Why don't you post an actual instance where someone who was stone cold sober was arrested and charged with a DUI.

I've never seen an instance. If there is one, that might be the only one in existence.

My position is that you're a moron.

Beyond that, I have no issue with morons getting their face plastered all over for being repeat drunk drivers. They should get worse.

I think that current punishments for DUI are far too lenient. Here is what I would propose (ASSUMING nobody was killed):

1st DUI Offense - 1 year revoked license. $10,000 fine. Fined for any damage caused, including medical bills for those injured.

2nd DUI Offense - Permanent revocation of drivers license, never to be restored. 5 year imprisonment. $25,000 fine, plus damages/medical, etc.

3rd DUI Offense - Life in prison or just shoot them in the head to save us the expense.

Let's see....do you need it to be MORE clear?

 

[OBLAMA2009]

this isnt right. drunk drivers are the whipping boys for everything that goes wrong in society

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Why don't you post an actual instance where someone who was stone cold sober was arrested and charged with a DUI.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=rge&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=sober.+arrested+for+dui&btnG=Search#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=sober+and+arrested+for+dui&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=c72bee5a4a93f9a3 Plenty of pages there for you to browse through

I've never seen an instance. If there is one, that might be the only one in existence.

Contact a DUI attorney. Ask him for some stories on the matter.

My position is that you're a moron.

you keep saying that yet its taken 20 posts from you to put together a concrete thought

Beyond that, I have no issue with morons getting their face plastered all over for being repeat drunk drivers.

I don't have issue with that either, though that wasn't the conversation thread everyone was discussing from the begging, it got thrown in late into page 1

They should get worse.

I think that current punishments for DUI are far too lenient. Here is what I would propose (ASSUMING nobody was killed):

1st DUI Offense - 1 year revoked license. $10,000 fine. Fined for any damage caused, including medical bills for those injured.

2nd DUI Offense - Permanent revocation of drivers license, never to be restored. 5 year imprisonment. $25,000 fine, plus damages/medical, etc.

3rd DUI Offense - Life in prison or just shoot them in the head to save us the expense.

Let's see....do you need it to be MORE clear?

Regarding your punishments, Do you support this punishment approach for all misdemeanors or just DUI and why?

 

[Numenorean]

I think all DUI's should be felony charges.

But I'm sure punishments for other crimes could be overhauled as well.

 

[NaOH]

This article is about repeat offenders. I don't really have a problem with their face being posted on there since it's public info anyways. But my stand is that repeaters should have their licensed irreversibly revoked and a fat fine. In my opinion, it's pretty damned hard to get arrested for a DUI more than once without trying.

Either that or lower the limit to nill so there's no question.

IMO, drinking and driving is very very common ( I always hear stories of friends doing it, my last roommate even got a DUI. He definitely shouldn't face capital punishment though, he was a little bit over the limit but was still able to function, he got caught cause his GF had to throw up so he pulled over). The punishments for repeat DUI need to be stricter or we shouldn't be allowed to even drink at all before driving.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I think all DUI's should be felony charges.

But I'm sure punishments for other crimes could be overhauled as well.

Should all victimless crimes be felony charges or just dui?

Do you know even know what a felony charge means and its consequences?

 

[Saint Nick]

What about people smoking pot and driving?

 

[Numenorean]

Should all victimless crimes be felony charges or just dui?

Do you know even know what a felony charge means and its consequences?

If you think DUI is a victimless crime, you're a moron.

Which of course I've already stated.

 

[Numenorean]

What about people smoking pot and driving?

Drag them out of the car and shoot them.

 

[Zargon]

Why don't you post an actual instance where someone who was stone cold sober was arrested and charged with a DUI.

I've never seen an instance. If there is one, that might be the only one in existence.

My position is that you're a moron.

Beyond that, I have no issue with morons getting their face plastered all over for being repeat drunk drivers. They should get worse.

I think that current punishments for DUI are far too lenient. Here is what I would propose (ASSUMING nobody was killed):

1st DUI Offense - 1 year revoked license. $10,000 fine. Fined for any damage caused, including medical bills for those injured.

2nd DUI Offense - Permanent revocation of drivers license, never to be restored. 5 year imprisonment. $25,000 fine, plus damages/medical, etc.

3rd DUI Offense - Life in prison or just shoot them in the head to save us the expense.

Let's see....do you need it to be MORE clear?

in IL your frist DUI is going to cost about 10 grand. You will lose your license for 6months to a year. IF you have insurance, it will cover the med to your mlimit and other damages and you are on the hook for the rest. so thats pretty much already happening here. You also have to go to alcohol counseling

the second is more fines, 7-10 years w/o a license.


Do you support this penalty for the asshole texting that runs someone down?

how about the lady that was doing her makeup?

because you should.

 

[Blackjack200]

Nobody was basing any of their commentary on this being about convicted repeat offenders. I should have read the Op but it was *I thought* pretty well summarized in the title.

IIRC, the punishment was for "multiple arrests" rather than "multiple convictions".

So you could get arrested for it, be aquitted, then get arrested for it again, have your pic on facebook, and then be aquitted again. I don't think that's any better.

 

[Zargon]

This article is about repeat offenders. I don't really have a problem with their face being posted on there since it's public info anyways. But my stand is that repeaters should have their licensed irreversibly revoked and a fat fine. In my opinion, it's pretty damned hard to get arrested for a DUI more than once without trying.

Either that or lower the limit to nill so there's no question.

IMO, drinking and driving is very very common ( I always hear stories of friends doing it, my last roommate even got a DUI. He definitely shouldn't face capital punishment though, he was a little bit over the limit but was still able to function, he got caught cause his GF had to throw up so he pulled over). The punishments for repeat DUI need to be stricter or we shouldn't be allowed to even drink at all before driving.

you cannot stop them from driving anyways.

my FIL has had about 10 DUIs and *finally* stopped driving after about his 4th conviction of driving on a revoked license

and of course no insurance.

you need to worry about stuff that you can control, the state can't control a damn thing unless they put you in prison.

and a 1st time DUI offender(AKA a misdemeanor) that doesnt hit anything anyone should not be going to jail when armed robbers are getting parole. I will take a one time DUI, hell 2-time DUI offender over someone who is commiting armed robbery everyday of the week and twice on sunday.

IIRC, the punishment was for "multiple arrests" rather than "multiple convictions".

So you could get arrested for it, be aquitted, then get arrested for it again, have your pic on facebook, and then be aquitted again. I don't think that's any better.

this is also the nutbags second try, he first wanted every arrest posted, 1st time or not, conviction or not. everyone told him to go fish so hes back with this, and hes getting about the same response

 

[IceBergSLiM]

1st DUI Offense - 1 year revoked license. $10,000 fine. Fined for any damage caused, including medical bills for those injured.

2nd DUI Offense - Permanent revocation of drivers license, never to be restored. 5 year imprisonment. $25,000 fine, plus damages/medical, etc.

3rd DUI Offense - Life in prison or just shoot them in the head to save us the expense.

Let's see....do you need it to be MORE clear?

A couple of reminders:

1) median house hold income is $49,000. After taxes ~40k.

10k fine = 25% of annual income
25k fine = 60% of annual income

How do you propose people will be able to pay this fine. What happens if they don't or can't pay the fine? Debtors prison?

Well since you are suspending their license for a year its not likely they will keep a job so the income will be realistically 0. Jobless and broke is a recipe for more crime. everyone knows this.

2) Permanent revocation of license will effectively make them jobless for life if their 5 year prison stint doesn't. Collecting welfare and unemployment. (unknown cost)

5 years in prison x 40k per year = $200k tax payer cost - 25k fine (assuming they have it) = 175k to tax payer not inclusive of court and administrative overhead probation/parole etc.

The recidivism rate for criminals is well over 50% so odds are they will definitely be in and out of the system permanently after 5 years in criminal training school(jail)

What if it was the bread winner of the family. Who watches the kids now? Who pays for them? What does that cost society?

3) Life in prison ....assuming 25 years x 40k = $1 million .


The societal risks add up quickly with this kind of punishment scheme.

Would it be more effective to invest in preventive measures?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

If you think DUI is a victimless crime, you're a moron.

Which of course I've already stated.

So finish the sentence:

I think DUI isn't a victimless crime because xzy.

(why do I have to teach you how to converse like an adult)

 

[IceBergSLiM]

What about people smoking pot and driving?

dui is a dui is a dui.

 

[FDF12389]

Or, everyone wants marijuana to be legal but then cops could take advantage of several more situations. For example, you are speeding 5 miles over and the cop decides you are stoned. You're not stoned, not at all - you haven't smoked since you got home from work the night before - but the only kind of testing they can do will say that its in your system or its not. It might have been a week since you smoked, doesn't matter - its in your system, DUI.

Not true, there are saliva tests that can detect THC consumption within the past 1~3 hrs. Not nearly as accurate as a PAC test, but more effective than a blood test. Just place the strip on your tongue, color one you go to jail, color two means you haven't consumed THC recently.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Not true, there are saliva tests that can detect THC consumption within the past 1~3 hrs. Not nearly as accurate as a PAC test, but more effective than a blood test. Just place the strip on your tongue, color one you go to jail, color two means you haven't consumed THC recently.

even if you didn't smoke it and ingested it instead?

Besides the point as you don't have to fail a breathalyzer to be arrested. you just have to fail the arbitrary field tests.