why don't you go into any major store and scream FIRE.
let me know how that free speech goes.
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That has nothing to do with hate speech and creates an imminent public danger from panic over a false alarm (it would be ok if there was a fire).
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-white-first-amendment-slogans-20170608-story.html
pcgeek11
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Nope you assigned it when you told someone to STFU in a discussion about free speech. Yet you fail to see this is amazing.
pcgeek11
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Now you resort to name calling as an out because you have nothing else.
Like I said laughable.
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Explain it to us because I think we are seeing the parallels with Nazi Germany and its thought police and are able to see the dangers from letting the government dictate what can and can't be said and arresting those that resisted. Maybe you have better insight into it though?
It also pushes discussion underground, and the lack of public discourse let's the extremes of society to provide the explanation for things that people want to know about but don't understand, because it can't be discussed by free thinkers or openly debated in society. This fuels the rise of bigotry and eliminates any nuanced understanding in the topic. Authoritarian thought police policies ultimately aren't helping the people or groups it thinks it's helping, it really just makes the issue worse.
again, are you aware that everything Nazi related has been illegal in Germany for decades?
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Yes? Are you aware the Nazi's suppressed opposition speech which helped them gain power? After the war ended have you ever heard of the Stasi?
It's so bizarre to be arguing with someone who is anti free speech.
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It would need to be imminent and specific. Broadly casting the net to say certain speech is dangerous "just because" doesn't cut it. Talk of integration and civil rights used to be considered dangerous here in the states, thank god we didn't allow the government to put a stop to it (any more than they did).
Yes? Are you aware the Nazi's suppressed opposition speech which helped them gain power? After the war ended have you ever heard of the Stasi?
It's so bizarre to be arguing with someone who is anti free speech.
the very reason that all Nazi symbols and paraphernalia have been illegal in Germany is because of Nazi hate, is it not?
have you just been cool with that for your entire life and only now you have a problem with restricted speech?
only by the idiot's who supported such hate and segregation, do you really want to continue supporting them?
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I don't follow you. I'm not ok with Nazi's if that is what you are implying?
The banning of Nazi symbols etc is to prevent it from being used to foment pro Nazi sympathies and lead to a resurgence in the party/movement, saying it is due to "hate" seems to be a juvenile way to view it. I disagree with the idea as well, not because I support anything Nazi related but I don't agree with the government outlawing ideas.
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I'm starting to think you're trolling.
My point was that our government used to think an idea was dangerous (integration and civil rights) but society through free speech was able to move forward and progress. You are arguing for giving the government the power to put up roadblocks to that progress.
I am not sure people preaching about killing the Jews muslims or gays are contributing to progress.
Then again there are many people here who think those same people should be able to spout that nonsense consequence free.
If you don't like what the Germans are doing in their country feel free to not visit and not buy products made their to show your displeasure. Maybe rally your friends to do the same.
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This site censors things.
I'd rather see sites enforce their own policing of hate than the government imposing fines.
I guess we'll see how this goes. Looks like Germans voted for it, so we'll see if they change their collective minds or find any substantive change. My assumption is that hate will find its dark corners to hide and fester that will continue on unreported, as is how is usually goes.
I'd rather see sites enforce their own policing of hate than the government imposing fines.
I guess we'll see how this goes. Looks like Germans voted for it, so we'll see if they change their collective minds or find any substantive change. My assumption is that hate will find its dark corners to hide and fester that will continue on unreported, as is how is usually goes.
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The "hate speech" will almost assuredly not be as cut and dry as kill the Jews. It's a very slippery slope and who gets to decide where the line is? It's so bizarre people trust their governments enough to get to decide what is allowed to be thought. The whole idea is the farthest thing from being liberal/progressive.
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