Germany - no religious circumcision

[cybrsage]

Arent muslims also required to be circumcised, if they arent then this would make a lot of sense

Shia are, as are some minor sects, but Sunni are not.

 

[cybrsage]

It's not a human.

Not a human.

Then what species is the life form? Also, at what point does the species change from whatever species you say it is and become part of the human species?

All the research I have done says humans never start out as a different species and then become part of the human species during our biological process, but since you two obviously have seen it, can either of you post the link about it?

 

[cybrsage]

Every sperm and egg is also a reasonably unique expression of a significant portion of a human's DNA, but there's not much being done to preserve every sacred sperm or egg, or to mourn the passing of many trillions upon trillions of these unique expressions each year.

Humans have 46 chromosomes (sans genetic defects), while a sperm and an egg only have 23. Thus, they are not humans, while fetuses (feti?) are.

But suddenly when they combine, it's instantly something special and worthy of saving.

Yes, a human is created. This is basic biology.

Birth: Congratulations, you've passed completely through a vagina. Ah, now you're definitely worth having around, and protecting. Right? :hmm:

This is where society has currently set the location of the giving of rights, such as the right to not have your life taken without due process. Prior to this point, the basic human right of due process is not granted.

 

[Incorruptible]

Shia are, as are some minor sects, but Sunni are not.

Then it could make sense that sunnis were behind this?

 

[tommo123]

You have to move the foreskin about to ensure you have cleaned all around it and under it. Pee easily gets all through it. Unless the parent is diligent (as all SHOULD be, but sadly a large number are not), the area will get growies in it from the biological waste which remains.




Defense of what, parents not properly cleaning their children? Maybe, but I have not researched what goes on in the minds of those who do not properly clean their children.

hold on, that argument basically says - parents. too lazy to care for your children? can't be bothered teaching hygiene? have surgery performed on your child instead.

if a parent teaches even basic hygiene to their boy then that aspect of the pro circ crowd falls apart.

 

[theevilsharpie]

You have to move the foreskin about to ensure you have cleaned all around it and under it. Pee easily gets all through it. Unless the parent is diligent (as all SHOULD be, but sadly a large number are not), the area will get growies in it from the biological waste which remains.

Cleaning underneath the foreskin isn't necessary. In fact, if the kid is still in diapers, it's very likely that his foreskin isn't retractable yet, and attempting to "clean all around it and under it" will result in injury. Even if his foreskin is retractable, he'd only need to retract it for a second or two during a bath to keep it clean.

 

[cybrsage]

Then it could make sense that sunnis were behind this?

It could. I doubt it (unless you have something which can support it), but it is possible. I suspect it is simply the recurring cycle of anti-semitism that ebbs and flows throughout Europe.

 

[cybrsage]

hold on, that argument basically says - parents. too lazy to care for your children? can't be bothered teaching hygiene? have surgery performed on your child instead.

if a parent teaches even basic hygiene to their boy then that aspect of the pro circ crowd falls apart.

It is hard to teach an infant to do much of anything. Good luck with that.

My argument for allowing circumcision does not rest on the obvious fact that many parents are not good parents, but instead on the First Amendment and the existing SCOTUS rulings on what is and is not protected by it.

 

[cybrsage]

Cleaning underneath the foreskin isn't necessary. In fact, if the kid is still in diapers, it's very likely that his foreskin isn't retractable yet, and attempting to "clean all around it and under it" will result in injury. Even if his foreskin is retractable, he'd only need to retract it for a second or two during a bath to keep it clean.

Yep, depends on the age of the child, etc. Still needs cleaning, though.

 

[tommo123]

It is hard to teach an infant to do much of anything. Good luck with that.

My argument for allowing circumcision does not rest on the obvious fact that many parents are not good parents, but instead on the First Amendment and the existing SCOTUS rulings on what is and is not protected by it.

infants? nah, i don't want kids anyway. would rather have a puppy 😎

 

[theevilsharpie]

Yep, depends on the age of the child, etc. Still needs cleaning, though.

Taking this line of discussion back full circle, an uncircumcised penis doesn't require any cleaning beyond what a circumcised penis would require, so claiming that circumcision is better for hygiene is ridiculous.

 

[Ryan]

Google "circumcised penis callus glans". Basically what happens to a circumcised penis is that the skin on the glans thickens because it is not covered. Exposure/rubbing on clothes causes this. Obviously the glans is the most sensitive area of the penis, so this can cause a decrease in sensitivity. If you really want to see a difference, look at the glans of an uncircumcised penis - when erect, the foreskin retracts to exposed the glans - the skin is usually smooth, thinner, and extremely sensitive to the touch. The extra skin glides up and around the penis during motion. These are not traits found in a large portion circumcised men. Do a quick image search of "cut uncut penis" - you'll find plenty of examples.

I think it's difficult to quantify a loss of sensitivity for circumcised men because all they've ever had is a circumcised penis. Of course, there are also plenty who have no problem with their sensitivity (as evidenced by the "I've never had a problem" responses here). Look at stories from men who were circumcised later in life - the exposure of the glans after circumcision is usually very uncomfortable and takes a while to get used to.

I dunno - I look at it from a performance function. Unless there is a legitimate medical reason to circumcise (tight foreskin preventing the penis from functioning), why do it? The medical field has largely determined that there is no pressing medical need to circumcise everyone, so why do it at all?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Then what species is the life form?

Your question is disingenuous. Stating the fact that is isn't a human is not equivalent to stating that it isn't human. My hair is human but it isn't a human. Pointing out that it isn't a human is not tantamount to claiming it's a different species.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Humans have 46 chromosomes (sans genetic defects), while a sperm and an egg only have 23. Thus, they are not humans, while fetuses (feti?) are.

Then what species are the gametes?

Yes, a human is created. This is basic biology.

A human zygote is created. That's biology. What is or is not "a human" is not a biological question.