Also it's fairly sickening that the first thing the gun people think of is to use this incident to make some kind of cheap political point. It shows a callous disregard for human life which only preaches to the converted and drives everyone else away.
Also it's fairly sickening that the first thing the gun people think of is to use this incident to make some kind of cheap political point. It shows a callous disregard for human life which only preaches to the converted and drives everyone else away.
His parents had license for 'a vast amount of guns'(Swedish newspaper though, so they probably don't think the same of 'a vast amount of guns' as a vast amount of you do)
. When police raided the home, one was apparently missing.
. When police raided the home, one was apparently missing.
That's what happens after a lifetime of anti-gun people taking every such occurrence as an opportunity to needlessly further restrict civil liberties resulting in greater danger to all citizens.
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Well it makes sense that us "gun people" have a callous disregard for human life since our stances advocate the propagation of items designed to take it (human life.) Right?
*shrug* I prefer to post gun related news incidences first, before someone else does so screaming "BAN THEM!" Gun related incidents are politicized by both sides, there's no doubt about that. But so are most tragedies, be it drunk driving accidents, bridge collapses or terrorist attacks. These things are politicized because they're significant and many people feel they should be reacted to. I seized the initiative and took this story first.
Well, either that, or it's pure coincidence. It's just amazing to me that the first reaction is not 'how can we prevent this happening again' but 'how can we make sure that next time it happens there are more guns involved'... I totally see your point - one of the other kids could have shot him before he killed so many people - but this relies on an imaginary world of sensible, responsible, well-trained teenagers, who are capable of making good decisions. I remember being 17 - do you? How good was your decision making and that of your peers? I remeber I didn't give a shit about anyone when I was 17. All we had were fists and knives and glass bottles, and we used them to their fullest extent, but the worst injusry I can remember was a guy who lost partial use of his leg after a stab wound. If we had guns we definately would have killed eachother.
Oh dear god in heaven!!! Who would ever want kids to carry guns on a large scale? I don't know who's been suggesting it but I don't imagine I'd vote for it. All I've ever argued for is rational rights for adult firearm possession.
GEEEEZZZZ I am ass deep in your sarcasm here. Suppose this is another example of a polite quite guy keeping anger and frustrations under tight control until they explode in a catastrophic psychotic break.
nobodyknows
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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Explain to me how it's an "epic fail".
He gave an example of how countries with looser gun control, i.e. the US, has people go on rampages as well. Fail.
So then gun control has no effect?
OK, then why have gun control?
Feel good legislation, what else?????
There have been many, discussed several times on this forum alone, backed by extensive studies.
diversity vs homogeneity, overall area, social service availability, law enforcement models, media strictures, civil liberty differences, etc. There's at least 10-20 fairly compelling explanations that when taken altogether very likely account for a majority of international differences.
It's the reason why many countries with equal or greater firearm saturation have lower crime/accidents than the us, while other countries with strict controls have greater suicides or crimes than the us...the existence of weapons isn't particularly relevant. Crime is a SES symptom. Suicide is a cultural indicator. etc.
"There have been many, discussed several times on this forum alone, backed by extensive studies.
diversity vs homogeneity, overall area, social service availability, law enforcement models, media strictures, civil liberty differences, etc. There's at least 10-20 fairly compelling explanations that when taken altogether very likely account for a majority of international differences.
It's the reason why many countries with equal or greater firearm saturation have lower crime/accidents than the us, while other countries with strict controls have greater suicides or crimes than the us...the existence of weapons isn't particularly relevant. Crime is a SES symptom. Suicide is a cultural indicator. etc."
Nice cop out. Put your head in the sand, nothing to see here, just another day, another act of senseless gun violence - remember, he would have just stabbed everyone if guns weren't around....Your 'extensive studies' are all backed by NRA money, and are of course never going to come to the conclusion that the readily available supply of guns leads to more violence and gun-related crimes - that of course would just be a silly conclusion to come to.....
What is really, really sad in all of this - other than the horrific act and those affected by it - is that the last time this happened, Germans were so upset about it that they changed the legal age of gun ownership.
This sort of thing happens here in the US? Page 4 news, non-story after a few days, unless we have videotape of it, then we replay it over and over on every piece of crap talk/news show on TV - but nothing changes, the flow of guns into the hands of people that shouldn't have them goes on and on.
And for the record, I'm not for banning guns in this country - but it's FAR too easy to get one, it's far too easy for people that shouldn't be allowed to get them to do so, and the ridiculous amount of money spent by the NRA - raised by the morons who really think that anyone in the US government is dumb enough to try and take guns away from everyone - keeps any type of meaningful gun control laws from even being discussed.
diversity vs homogeneity, overall area, social service availability, law enforcement models, media strictures, civil liberty differences, etc. There's at least 10-20 fairly compelling explanations that when taken altogether very likely account for a majority of international differences.
It's the reason why many countries with equal or greater firearm saturation have lower crime/accidents than the us, while other countries with strict controls have greater suicides or crimes than the us...the existence of weapons isn't particularly relevant. Crime is a SES symptom. Suicide is a cultural indicator. etc."
Nice cop out. Put your head in the sand, nothing to see here, just another day, another act of senseless gun violence - remember, he would have just stabbed everyone if guns weren't around....Your 'extensive studies' are all backed by NRA money, and are of course never going to come to the conclusion that the readily available supply of guns leads to more violence and gun-related crimes - that of course would just be a silly conclusion to come to.....
What is really, really sad in all of this - other than the horrific act and those affected by it - is that the last time this happened, Germans were so upset about it that they changed the legal age of gun ownership.
This sort of thing happens here in the US? Page 4 news, non-story after a few days, unless we have videotape of it, then we replay it over and over on every piece of crap talk/news show on TV - but nothing changes, the flow of guns into the hands of people that shouldn't have them goes on and on.
And for the record, I'm not for banning guns in this country - but it's FAR too easy to get one, it's far too easy for people that shouldn't be allowed to get them to do so, and the ridiculous amount of money spent by the NRA - raised by the morons who really think that anyone in the US government is dumb enough to try and take guns away from everyone - keeps any type of meaningful gun control laws from even being discussed.
I think that gets to the core of it - putting more guns in the hands of 'good' people is never going to stop them getting into the hands of 'bad' poeple. Assuming there are such things as good and bad people of course.
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Actually the count is higher now, around 15-16.
And to think the 10th anniversary of Columbine is soon upon us.
Very tragic
And to think the 10th anniversary of Columbine is soon upon us.
Very tragic
You mean racially? Please don't go down that road... the Germans themselves already tried this...
Just take out the data points from areas that wouldn't be apples to apples with Germany. Then re run the stats. I bet it comes close.
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You would think we could get some insight into this as it's a problem with young males.
What do you suppose is causing guys to crack?
You don't suppose we don't have solid enough self respect do you and need to teach the world to respect us more, eh?
I always like the part, where in the end, we usually kill ourselves. No better fuck you I can think of than to be BAD BAD BAD and not HAVE to take responsibility. Hahahaha I got away from YOUR revenge but I got mine.
What do you suppose is causing guys to crack?
You don't suppose we don't have solid enough self respect do you and need to teach the world to respect us more, eh?
I always like the part, where in the end, we usually kill ourselves. No better fuck you I can think of than to be BAD BAD BAD and not HAVE to take responsibility. Hahahaha I got away from YOUR revenge but I got mine.
Best I got is it is 3 in Wyoming for 2007, an all-white pro-gun state. But it also doesn't have any major cities like Germany.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/wycrime.htm
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