Oh look, CanOWorms using this opportunity to bash europe as a whole because some german asshat decided to take advantage of the situation. How surprising. :roll:
Oh look, CanOWorms using this opportunity to bash europe as a whole because some german asshat decided to take advantage of the situation. How surprising. :roll:
Well, what I said was true. Colonialism has massively affected European culture leading me to believe that it caused this German official to say such things.
Assume that the temp gradient remains constant between two storms, a and b. a contains twice the heat energy of b. Which storm will be more potentially destructive. You suggest that heating in the upper atmosphere may well have a dampening effect. What is the scientific basis for this 'may'? Is it simply postulated to account for no measurable wind speed increase based on statistical analysis of records over a warming trend? If so there is an other variable here not represented so far that have come to my attention. A 100 mph wind, for example over a 10 sq mile area is not as potentially damaging as a 100 mph wind over a 20 sq mile area. I still have trouble believing that storms with greater heat energy could possible be only of equal or less destructive power as ones with less, on average. But while I am not completely familiar with your data or its trustworthiness, I do not think the data should be ignored if it is real.
What I do know is that for years and years and years the tobacco industry stonewalled the scientific fact that tobacco is dangerous. This is true every time science threatens somebody's money. We know that the oil industry has the most to loose from regulation and that Bush and his crowd are oil. We know that to this day Cheney will not tell the public how the energy policy was made. I find it incredible that any thinking person would not have their doubts.
Well, I live in europe right now and not one single person I know thinks the hurricane was a good thing or that Americans are to blame for it or deserve it.
This guy, if he truely think Americans are to blame for the hurricane, is an idiot. And I'm pretty sure a majority of people here will label him as one.
Personally, I feel that anyone taking advantage of this disaster to score politcal points or for personal gain(Like you did, when you used it as a chance to bash europe as a whole for what one idiot said) is an asshat. But I'm pretty sure I've said that in another thread already.
We've already had asshats from each side of the political fence attack the other side in some pathetic way. And quite frankly I feel the mods should vacation each and every one of them for a minimum of a month.
Yeah, sure. biggest and most influential country in the EU. but who cares about the EU anyway? There's the U.S. and...
Yes, car production might be going back in Germany but VW, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche (exclusively, AFAIK) and Opel (GM) still produce a lot of cars or at least parts of it in Germany, the VW Wolfsburg factory has more than 50 000 Employees.
And U.S. Car manufacturers like Ford also has factories in Germany, not to forget that germany also produces plains (Airbus anyone?) or boats and Army Stuff in relatively big margins.
For the future, heavy engineering might shift more and more towards cheaper locations like eastern Europe or, if possible, China, but today there's still a lot produced in western Europe.
While it's useless to argue about that point as long as we don't have any numbers, I didn't had the impression that there's such a huge difference between the U.S. and Europe regarding heavy industries, but if someone has some facts here, I woldn't hesitate to correct my point.
I see you didn't dispute the fact that you used the disaster to attack europe. That to me shows a lot about you. You didn't dispute the fact that you did, so instead you use "Oh, what irony" to avoid having to address my statement.
You've just proven what a bigot and asshat you are by using this disaster to attack europe.
German Leaders Express Sympathy and Offer Condolences for Devastation Caused by Hurricane Katrina
I am not sure who is the bigger a**, you or Trittin?
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First you need to explain where or how storm A got twice the heat energy of storm B. As I said before, the temperature gradient is one of many factors, though an improtant one. Winds aloft, jet streams, and the counter-rotating upper-level high above each storm also factor in. There's also the influence of troughs, ridges, or other weather systems in close proximity to any storm.
The scientific basis for my statement for the dampening effect goes directly back to temperature gradient, one of the driving forces of the strength of a storm. If the lower levels of the atmosphere are warmer, but so are are the upper levels to the same degree, it's a wash. You don't have an increase in the gradient you don't get more powerful storms from temperature increases.
As far as your wind example, one must take location into consideration as well. A 100 mph wind over New York city has far greater potential for damage than a 100 mph wind blowing over prairie land, regardless of the fetch.
Well before you have doubts it would be nice if someone showed some actual evidence that the strength and/or frequency of hurricanes is increasing, let alone increasing due to global warming. Nobody has shown that yet and all the facts thus far point in the opposite direction.
I see you didn't dispute the fact that this idea is popular in Germany.
I didn't use the disaster to "attack" Europe. I used the extremist's action to criticize Europe.
You misinterpretation shows a lot about you. You've just proven what a bigot and asshat you are. Eurospremacy forever!
Trittin is a German leader. Plus, not all Germans think the same, they are not a hive mind (even though they easily fall to propaganda).
Do you honestly think that the Germans care? They didn't even offer any assistance until 2 days after their "expression of sympathy."
Uh, huh. I'm supposed to believe some fringe elements in germany = popular opinion.
Right...Then please explain this:
You said 'European action'. Not German, not European extremist(OR German extremist as it should have been). You included ALL of Europe. Nice try though.
Misinterpretation my ass. Your original post made your opinion and intention quite clear to all of us.
Also, nice to see you use my own words against me in some lame attempt to avoid having to address the points I made about you and your post.
...There's something seriously wrong with you if you think I or any normal person in europe supports 'Eurospremacy'...
Incase you didn't know. These are people we consider fringe-elements. Much like you have the KKK and other fringe elements in the U.S. But you don't see me calling all Americans racists or bigots, do you?
I see this is going nowhere. You'll just keep spewing your hate. So I'll just excuse myself from this little 'diversion' of yours, as I've already said all I want to say on the matter.
Wow... popular, mainstream media is not a fringe element.
Nice try though. I'll give you a D+.
This doesn't even make any sense. I wonder if you accidentally typed this in response to something else.
I'm not sure if you know, but Germany is in Europe.
Of course my intention is clear. It's to criticize Europe. It's not a secret. The environmental minister from Germany said controversial statements which follow a typical behavior. I don't see anything wrong with talking about his statements.
Your intention is quite clear as well. Any criticism of Europe is inappropriate.
This is not a fringe element. This type of behavior that the minister showed is in the mainstream.
ok
Temperature increases of 0.4 degrees over a hundred years wouldn't raise the latent heat of the Ocean 5-6 degrees. It hasn't occurred, and the amount of hurricanes and strength appears to be entirely cyclical and dependent on large scale global climate patterns.
There is data back to the 1800's about the number of landfalling US hurricanes and even ocean only hurricanes. Nothing suggests that the numbers or strength are increasing, but rather we notice more of them due to the increased globalization and communication structure, and the media coverage. Some of the strongest hurricanes on record happened in the early part of the 1900's, and you cannot forget that the Gulf Coast is much more densely populated than before. Two decades ago a similar storm wouldn't have been as devastating for Biloxi/Gulfport, because those cities were MUCH smaller.
The number of hurricanes varies based on numerous factors, and global warming is just another variable in a MUCH more complex formula. There is no data or proof that it would effect the patterns and numbers as they have stayed pretty much the same as long as climatological data has been around. You will have active seasons with 12 named storms, and then you will have seasons with only 5-6. You'll have seasons where 25% of the storms hit land, and you'll have seasons where 10% do.
Sure, 2004/2005 has been active compared to prior years, but there were periods of much less active Tropics during the 1990's and other decades.
Just another idiot that thinks correlation = causation.
There is data back to the 1800's about the number of landfalling US hurricanes and even ocean only hurricanes. Nothing suggests that the numbers or strength are increasing, but rather we notice more of them due to the increased globalization and communication structure, and the media coverage. Some of the strongest hurricanes on record happened in the early part of the 1900's, and you cannot forget that the Gulf Coast is much more densely populated than before. Two decades ago a similar storm wouldn't have been as devastating for Biloxi/Gulfport, because those cities were MUCH smaller.
The number of hurricanes varies based on numerous factors, and global warming is just another variable in a MUCH more complex formula. There is no data or proof that it would effect the patterns and numbers as they have stayed pretty much the same as long as climatological data has been around. You will have active seasons with 12 named storms, and then you will have seasons with only 5-6. You'll have seasons where 25% of the storms hit land, and you'll have seasons where 10% do.
Sure, 2004/2005 has been active compared to prior years, but there were periods of much less active Tropics during the 1990's and other decades.
Just another idiot that thinks correlation = causation.
Yeah, sure seems that way.
Also, when it comes to climate related issues, I'd believe you over this guy anyday. He sure as hell doesn't appear qualified to even speak on the issue.
Originally posted by: ntdz
You mean the former German minister? In a couple of weeks he will be voted out of office
One can only hope he gets removed from office soon.
On what do you base your "critizism" of Europe? I mean what I heard from you so far was nothing more then baseless rhetorik, where are the facts to back up your statements?
Perhaps you missed my post with a link about how this idea is common in the German media. And my other post about how this guy received this idea from watching the movie "The Day After Tomorrow."
All I've heard from people is nothing more than baseless rhetoric.
No, what I said was that there is in my opinion strong reasons to suspect that what you call fact is in fact fact and we have for example some questions about an article in Nature I believe.
So you consider the Spiegel a mirror to the general opinion of germans? Ok so what Newsoutlet should I look for to get that for Americans? The New York Times or Newsmax?
BTW I am German and what you say is utter Bullsh*t
A reporter from the London Times was on earlier saying that was how the entire German media was reacting to the disaster. Do you have proof otherwise? I'm sure it is a bit of hyperbole either way, but I am interested in what they have to say. Can you provide some German articles about the disaster and what they say?
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