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Georgia gun range will have bar serving alcohol

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Atomic Playboy said:
#2 is what makes #1 a concern for me. If I go to a pool hall and have a drink, they don't make me stop playing pool; I still have something to entertain myself while I sober up. If you drink at the gun range and they don't let you back in, what are you going to do, sit around at the bar drinking water? Maybe you would because you're a socially responsible fellow, as we all are on ATOT, but your average patron probably isn't going to take that extra time twiddling their thumbs. Add in the fact that firing ranges are often not in residential areas and people carry a lot of equipment to them and it makes it more likely that people are driving there (and thus going to be driving home) as compared to bars which are often found in or near residential areas (and can be easily walked to/from). It doesn't add up in my mind.

Don't get me wrong, I can understand the appeal of a nice refreshing beer after a round of shooting, I'm just questioning putting the bar in the exact same establishment. Make people go home, clean and store their equipment properly and then go out to get a drink. It's better for the equipment and it discourages drinking and driving.
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And I understand what you are saying. However let's not kid ourselves about most pool halls and bars. Sure many bars have a pool table or two and maybe some darts, but a majority of people aren't playing them. A majority of people are sitting around drinking and then likely driving home. It doesn't make it right for this new place to do it though.

If it were me I'd have a strict 2 drink max policy or keep a VERY close eye on people. If you have a successful shooting range it would be bad deal to have it shut down or sued b/c of someone drinking there and getting into trouble. I agree that it is risky and I would just have 2 separate companies/business just to keep it legally separated, but I don't mind what this company is doing and certainly don't think it's a horrible idea like some people here think....not necessarily saying that to you.
 
JDMnAR1 said:
Wait...what? You do realize that your beloved Peyton is as southern as they come being from New Orleans and a UT Vol, right? So rednecks that can run an offense are OK, but others aren't? Nice...
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Thats exactly what I was thinking. Only rednecks from the south that can run an NFL offense are OK.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
#2 is what makes #1 a concern for me. If I go to a pool hall and have a drink, they don't make me stop playing pool; I still have something to entertain myself while I sober up. If you drink at the gun range and they don't let you back in, what are you going to do, sit around at the bar drinking water? Maybe you would because you're a socially responsible fellow, as we all are on ATOT, but your average patron probably isn't going to take that extra time twiddling their thumbs. Add in the fact that firing ranges are often not in residential areas and people carry a lot of equipment to them and it makes it more likely that people are driving there (and thus going to be driving home) as compared to bars which are often found in or near residential areas (and can be easily walked to/from). It doesn't add up in my mind.

Don't get me wrong, I can understand the appeal of a nice refreshing beer after a round of shooting, I'm just questioning putting the bar in the exact same establishment. Make people go home, clean and store their equipment properly and then go out to get a drink. It's better for the equipment and it discourages drinking and driving.
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So your whole argument boils down to you want people to go home and clean their guns before drinking and driving? Because they are still diving to the bar and then driving home...is that your argument against this? Really? And did you read the article even? This place is in a residential area, so people COULD walk there...hell, maybe people will go there for a drink without even shooting first just so they can talk to people who share an interest in guns. Somehow I think your problem is really with guns in general, but you really need to come up with a valid argument first cause this one ain't worth shit.
 
corwin said:
So your whole argument boils down to you want people to go home and clean their guns before drinking and driving? Because they are still diving to the bar and then driving home...is that your argument against this? Really? And did you read the article even? This place is in a residential area, so people COULD walk there...hell, maybe people will go there for a drink without even shooting first just so they can talk to people who share an interest in guns. Somehow I think your problem is really with guns in general, but you really need to come up with a valid argument first cause this one ain't worth shit.
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Despite what you may think about me, I have no problem with guns. I lean left on a lot of issues, but gun control is one area where I'm in favor of relaxing the laws and letting law-abiding citizens have access to firearms. I just don't see the logic in a place offering booze when it's completely and totally incompatible with its primary function. They've literally said "if you drink here, you cannot shoot for the rest of the day." Why open up the bar in that establishment at all? Why not open a bar next door? I don't see the logic in serving people booze specifically as they are leaving your establishment; "you've finished shooting, here's one for the road!" It doesn't make sense to me. It has nothing to do with guns, it has to do with basic common sense; why add something that is completely incompatible with what your business currently offers?

And I'd hope that people have the good sense not to drink and drive. I know that for me personally, and for my friends, if we are of the frame of mind that we are going to be drinking, we stay local or use public transportation or cabs. Are you allowed to carry firearms on public transportation (I'm legitimately curious on this point; I don't think you are, but I could be incorrect)? I think a higher volume of people who go to a firing range will arrive and leave by driving as compared to traditional drinking establishments, and given that people will not be allowed to shoot after drinking, they're mostly being served drinks as they are preparing to leave. In my mind, that adds up to more cases of intoxicated driving, and that strikes me as a bad idea.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
The difference is that at any other establishment that serves alcohol, you can get the alcohol while engaging in the activities offered by the venue. If I go to a theater that serves alcohol, I can drink while I watch a show. If I go to a pool hall that serves alcohol, I can drink while I play pool. If I go to a casino that serves alcohol, I can drink while I gamble. If I go to a bowling alley that serves alcohol, I can drink while I bowl. There's an arcade here in town that lets me drink while I play arcade games; pretty groovy, right? So why would a place start serving alcohol when you expressly cannot use it while making use of their primary facilities? You don't see a restaurant telling you, "OK, you can start drinking, but we can't serve you any food after you start." It doesn't make sense to offer booze as a service when it makes your primary reason for existing inaccessible.
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That's ridiculous. People go to bars to drink and socialize and that's exactly what these people would be doing. They'd just be doing it after shooting and the socializing would be with other people who share their interests.
 
People already drink and shoot on their own private property. My concern is this facility is being built near a housing subdivision, according to the article. Dispute at bar, exit facility...
 
JulesMaximus said:
That's ridiculous. People go to bars to drink and socialize and that's exactly what these people would be doing. They'd just be doing it after shooting and the socializing would be with other people who share their interests.
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Well according to half the people here, anyone who owns or shoots a gun is a wild redneck who will get plastered drunk at the bar and then wave around guns and shoot them at each other. It's hard for them to understand that most of the people at a professional range are good honest people, probably more responsible drinkers than you'd find at most other bars.
 
TheNinja said:
Well according to half the people here, anyone who owns or shoots a gun is a wild redneck who will get plastered drunk at the bar and then wave around guns and shoot them at each other. It's hard for them to understand that most of the people at a professional range are good honest people, probably more responsible drinkers than you'd find at most other bars.
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Holy logic! :awe:
 
TheNinja said:
Well according to half the people here, anyone who owns or shoots a gun is a wild redneck who will get plastered drunk at the bar and then wave around guns and shoot them at each other. It's hard for them to understand that most of the people at a professional range are good honest people, probably more responsible drinkers than you'd find at most other bars.
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yes. the skeet/trap/sporting clays range near my house has a bar. its a membership club and they have very strict rules. no drinking before or during shooting and no alchocol in your system period if you are pulling triggers. you get caught you get kicked out period end of story.

that being said there has been never been an incident of somebody abusing the club rules, and I have never seen anybody drunk. People have 1 or two beers or a cocktail after a day out on the range with their friends.
 
ch33zw1z said:
People already drink and shoot on their own private property. My concern is this facility is being built near a housing subdivision, according to the article. Dispute at bar, exit facility...
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lol why? its a INDOOR gun range. there are indoor gun-ranges all over the place.
 
ch33zw1z said:
is that where you stopped reading? at the bolded?
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well considering i quoted your whole post the answer to that is no.

so why are you concerned that that people are going to get into a fight and turn it into a old west shootout in the street??? lol
 
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ok first off...

the elements of the whole situation are horrible, asking for trouble..

HOWEVER.

there's few things i still like about this country, but, that we are free enough to go get drunk, and shoot off guns, at a place where it is DESIGNED to be done (and if your not a stupid fuck you can manage to not drive drunk)... that is definitely one of them.. if we could just get rid of the ridiculous double standards when it comes to certain "controlled" substances then shit, America could be what it once was again i bet.
 
OutHouse said:
well considering i quoted your whole post the answer to that is no.

so why are you concerned that that people are going to get into a fight and turn it into a old west shootout in the street??? lol
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Not quite a "wild west shootout", but yes...I am concerned with drunk idiots being drunk idiots, with guns, very close to a housing division. I don't see the need.

Guess there's a reason I don't live in the south, even though it costs half as much.
 
zanejohnson said:
ok first off...

the elements of the whole situation are horrible, asking for trouble..

HOWEVER.

there's few things i still like about this country, but, that we are free enough to go get drunk, and shoot off guns, at a place where it is DESIGNED to be done (and if your not a stupid fuck you can manage to not drive drunk)... that is definitely one of them.. if we could just get rid of the ridiculous double standards when it comes to certain "controlled" substances then shit, America could be what it once was again i bet.
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You, sir, did not read the article.

And your statement about driving drunk? GFY. Driving drunk is never ok.
 
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