George Zimmerman at it again ... a gun auction

[StrangerGuy]

Every single person on this forum. How is that for starters?

No, you stealing a Snickers bar from the gas station when you we're 12 when your "best friend" peer-pressured you into it isn't a "rowdy" violent teenager. You didn't do jack shit. You were a good little boy that did his homework daily.

Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise 🙄

Didn't you know being poor or a bad childhood or being a stupid young kid is the ultimate justification to absolve anybody from any responsibility of wrongdoing? Yeah all those other people who actually have the will to behave in same circumstances won't totally find that insulting.

 

[PowerEngineer]

I think its good that George Zimmerman comes back up every once in a while. I don't agree with everything he did, but he is the perfect example and lesson for gun owners who carry. You can try to do what you think is right, found legally not guilty, but can still get your life destroyed. It happens all too often but doesn't get much press.

Oh, poor George! It should be some consolation to him that he isn't the one that ended up dead. Death really has a way of destroying a life.

His vigil ante actions won George his fifteen minutes of fame, and he seems to have decided to do everything he can to extend it through a series of run ins with the law and other idiotic acts (this auction only being his latest). If his life has been "destroyed", then it's by his own doing.

Being aware of all this, I am a much meeker person when I'm carrying and since I carry almost constantly, I have become much more forgiving. Right or wrong, it isn't worth destroying my life over what I think is someone being a dick/douche. Drawing that gun is only to defend the life of myself or someone I love.

Heartening to know that you aren't going to shoot someone for just being (in your humble opinion) a "dick/douche". "Right or wrong"? Could it really be "right"? :\

Even if the story George told about his shooting of Travon is absolutely true, the notion of selling the gun he used to kill him as some sort of trophy is absolutely appalling.

He is the lowest form of human scum.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I think you guys need a lesson in statistics. This is a combination of confirmation bias and the simple fact that the only reason you are here posting in this thread is because you didn't get killed in a fight. Obviously a poll of living people is going to result in a 0% death rate. :thumbsup:

Regardless of the chance, it's not one I am willing to take, nor should anyone. 1/10000 chance of dying in a street fight? Not worth it. I will shoot and kill before I face those odds- it's still Russian roulette, the only difference is the odds.

Speaking of odds. Statistically speaking, you have a 100% chance of dying during your lifetime.

 

[Merad]

Even if the story George told about his shooting of Travon is absolutely true, the notion of selling the gun he used to kill him as some sort of trophy is absolutely appalling.

He is the lowest form of human scum.

There was an interesting and in depth article last year (in Rolling Stone IIRC) about GZ and the Zimmerman family based on interviews with his family.

GZ has hundreds of thousands in legal bills from the trial. Plus, his entire family has been moving from place to place every few months since the shooting, because they fear reprisal (and they aren't totally paranoid), wracking up huge costs for housing and limiting the family's ability to hold jobs. GZ himself wasn't interviewed, but his family's description was of a broken man whose mental health barely seems to be hanging on. GZ hasn't had a a job since the shooting, and it will be years if not decades before he fades from public memory enough to have the slightest chance of returning to anything that resembles a normal life - if he doesn't end up in a mental institution first.

So anyway, trying to sell the gun is rather disgusting, but in his position I don't entirely blame him for trying. If you were angered by the verdict and feel like GZ escaped justice, then you can be satisfied that his life and person have been quite thoroughly destroyed.

 

[DrPizza]

How many of those dozen of calls had Georgie got in the persons face? Maybe all of them, just maybe all of them ran. There's no evidence either or here. Maybe Martin was the 1st to not run. We know Georgie has anger problems. So the 1st person to get in his face could have lead to him getting angry - makes sense. Both people here were thugs, anyone who doesn't view George as a thug I write them off. Since the shooting he has proven he's scum time and time again. And those are just the reported stories. For every one news story about him there has to be more incidents that go un reported. FUCK Zimmerman and fuck Trayvon both. But only one is still alive and able to cause havoc, and has been fully doing so. So right now I'm only worried about a run in with the thug that's still alive.

Zimmerman has had a bunch of run-ins since and according to the reports was the aggressor in all of them.

Are you claiming that when Zimmerman was stalked and shot at, he was the aggressor?

 

[desura]

There was an interesting and in depth article last year (in Rolling Stone IIRC) about GZ and the Zimmerman family based on interviews with his family.

GZ has hundreds of thousands in legal bills from the trial. Plus, his entire family has been moving from place to place every few months since the shooting, because they fear reprisal (and they aren't totally paranoid), wracking up huge costs for housing and limiting the family's ability to hold jobs. GZ himself wasn't interviewed, but his family's description was of a broken man whose mental health barely seems to be hanging on. GZ hasn't had a a job since the shooting, and it will be years if not decades before he fades from public memory enough to have the slightest chance of returning to anything that resembles a normal life - if he doesn't end up in a mental institution first.

So anyway, trying to sell the gun is rather disgusting, but in his position I don't entirely blame him for trying. If you were angered by the verdict and feel like GZ escaped justice, then you can be satisfied that his life and person have been quite thoroughly destroyed.

At this point he might as well move to a foreign country. Someplace in South America or Asia would probably be best for him.

Either that, or join the French Foreign Legion.

Really, he needs to leave America to start again.

 

[QueBert]

Are you claiming that when Zimmerman was stalked and shot at, he was the aggressor?

There are numerous police reports involving him, and I think all of them involve some sort of threats, violence or brandishing of a fire arm. Or all 3, he is a piece of garbage. Trayvon fought a few times at school, stole some jewelry, and maybe other things. And smoked weed, he was labeled as a super thug by many. Georgie's done far worse things, many more times. But there's not much back lash against him. Other than "oh, he does stupid shit" Guess only black people can be thugs. Imagine what people would have said about Martin if he had done everything Georgie did? JEBUS

 

[Subyman]

Why I do not like the verdict is because Zimmerman left that night with a gun to harass people. He saw a "ne'er-do-well" black thug (in his mind) strutting the streets (he was actually just getting a snack at the local gas station) and decided to harass and stalk him. He put someone in a situation where a natural response was to react and then he shot and killed him. He tip toed the law to kill someone. He manufactured a situation where the law was on his side and he got to kill a boy.

It is sad. There is nuance here that is above the written law. I'm sorry the jury didn't have the courage to act.

 

[Ichinisan]

Why I do not like the verdict is because Zimmerman left that night with a gun to harass people. He saw a "ne'er-do-well" black thug (in his mind) strutting the streets (he was actually just getting a snack at the local gas station) and decided to harass and stalk him. He put someone in a situation where a natural response was to react and then he shot and killed him. He tip toed the law to kill someone. He manufactured a situation where the law was on his side and he got to kill a boy.

It is sad. There is nuance here that is above the written law. I'm sorry the jury didn't have the courage to act.

Keep reiterating the media narrative falsified to sound as sensational as possible...

It's not what happened. You should be ashamed for being such an easily-manipulated tool.

 

[Merad]

Why I do not like the verdict is because Zimmerman left that night with a gun to harass people.

If you seriously believe that you're embarrassingly misinformed about the case.

 

[Svnla]

I can't believe that there are posters that are still putting the blame on the wrong party, even after the trial and the huge thread.

Anyone dispute this statement? So far I haven't seen anyone that stated that was not true.

Zimmerman claims that Trayvon confronted him and struck him in the face first, knocking him down, then got on top of him and had hit his head against the ground several times

That's WHY TM was shot to death, because of his bad behavior and criminal action. Period.

"... natural response was to react.." To react by trying to slam the other guy's head on concrete several times, MMA style? Really? Look like another perfect example of "when keeps it real goes wrong, deadly wrong".

Goodness people.

 

[QueBert]

I can't believe that there are posters that are still putting the blame on the wrong party, even after the trial and the huge thread.

Anyone dispute this statement? So far I haven't seen anyone that stated that was not true.



That's WHY TM was shot to death, because of his bad behavior and criminal action. Period.

Goodness people.

That's how Georgie told it anywho, George is trash and has a history of anger. Other people have called the police on him for threating them. He pulled a fucking shot gun on his ex father in law. I refuse to believe HIS side of the story about Martin because of his police record. Just like people use Trayvon ditching school and smoking weed to support why they believe George's "I was helpless and didn't do anything and BAM he just attacked me!" story.

Martin was shot to death because he was defending himself against a known hot head who had a gun on him. I'm not implying Martin didn't beat his ass, yes that absolutely happened. But I see George as more than a concerned good citizen here, he probably instigated it. Lucky for him he killed a black teen and not a white one. Or I gather he might have served a good stint in prison. So kudos to him for being wise enough to make sure it was minority he shot dead. If I ever shot someone who hit me, even if I hit them 1st I'd damn sure tell the police they hit me 1st, common sense. I mean if they're dead they can't tell their side of the story right?

 

[sandorski]

I can't believe that there are posters that are still putting the blame on the wrong party, even after the trial and the huge thread.

Anyone dispute this statement? So far I haven't seen anyone that stated that was not true.



That's WHY TM was shot to death, because of his bad behavior and criminal action. Period.

"... natural response was to react.." To react by trying to slam the other guy's head on concrete several times, MMA style? Really? Look like another perfect example of "when keeps it real goes wrong, deadly wrong".

Goodness people.

He was being followed and responded.

 

[LevelSea]

That's how Georgie told it anywho, George is trash and has a history of anger. Other people have called the police on him for threating them. He pulled a fucking shot gun on his ex father in law. I refuse to believe HIS side of the story about Martin because of his police record. Just like people use Trayvon ditching school and smoking weed to support why they believe George's "I was helpless and didn't do anything and BAM he just attacked me!" story.

Martin was shot to death because he was defending himself against a known hot head who had a gun on him. I'm not implying Martin didn't beat his ass, yes that absolutely happened. But I see George as more than a concerned good citizen here, he probably instigated it. Lucky for him he killed a black teen and not a white one. Or I gather he might have served a good stint in prison. So kudos to him for being wise enough to make sure it was minority he shot dead. If I ever shot someone who hit me, even if I hit them 1st I'd damn sure tell the police they hit me 1st, common sense. I mean if they're dead they can't tell their side of the story right?

Lol, none of you're bitchy crying will change the fact that Trayvon got blasted because he was a fucking thug that brutally assaulted a man. No matter what Zimmerman does or did, it doesn't change the fact the he was justified in killing that shit bag. The world is a better place with Trayvon in the ground.

 

[sandorski]

Lol, none of you're bitchy crying will change the fact that Trayvon got blasted because he was a fucking thug that brutally assaulted a man. No matter what Zimmerman does or did, it doesn't change the fact the he was justified in killing that shit bag. The world is a better place with Trayvon in the ground.

Is it? Or would it have been better if Zimmerman lost that battle?

Really hard to tell, given what has transpired since then.

 

[QueBert]

Lol, none of you're bitchy crying will change the fact that Trayvon got blasted because he was a fucking thug that brutally assaulted a man. No matter what Zimmerman does or did, it doesn't change the fact the he was justified in killing that shit bag. The world is a better place with Trayvon in the ground.

George is an adult that has a police record, Trayvon was a teen who did teenager shit. If you're not racist you're doing a damn fine job at intimating one. And he wasn't justified in killing Trayon, the evidence just wasn't enough to put him in prison where he belongs. Does getting off = justified to you? If that's the case I guess OJ was justified because, well, he also got away with murder.


July 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and accused of resisting an officer with violence near the University of Central Florida campus after a scuffle with police. The charges were eventually dropped after Zimmerman entered an alcohol education program.


August 2005, Zimmerman's former fiancee filed for a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman responded by requesting a restraining order against her. Both requests were granted. No criminal charges were filed.


September 2013, Zimmerman's estranged wife, Shellie, dials 911 and tells a police dispatcher that he punched her father and threatened her with a gun. She later decides against pressing charges and authorities announce in November they are dropping the case.


November 2013, Zimmerman is arrested by Seminole County authorities after a disturbance at a home in Apopka. <--- he broke in his ex's house and pointed a shot gun at her and busted up a bunch of her shit. What a lovely sounding fellow wouldn't you say?


Yeah, Georgie sounds like a thug to me, lucky for him he's not black like Trayvon.

 

[desura]

Lucky for him he killed a black teen and not a white one. Or I gather he might have served a good stint in prison. So kudos to him for being wise enough to make sure it was minority he shot dead.

Yup.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-sentenced-70-years-prison-death-german-teen

 

[Kelvrick]

Oh, poor George! It should be some consolation to him that he isn't the one that ended up dead. Death really has a way of destroying a life.

His vigil ante actions won George his fifteen minutes of fame, and he seems to have decided to do everything he can to extend it through a series of run ins with the law and other idiotic acts (this auction only being his latest). If his life has been "destroyed", then it's by his own doing.



Heartening to know that you aren't going to shoot someone for just being (in your humble opinion) a "dick/douche". "Right or wrong"? Could it really be "right"? :\

Even if the story George told about his shooting of Travon is absolutely true, the notion of selling the gun he used to kill him as some sort of trophy is absolutely appalling.

He is the lowest form of human scum.

Thank you for being a perfect example of what I was talking about. This particular situation with George Zimmerman aside, legally not guilty can still have half of society declaring you scum.

You even try to make a jab at against someone who is saying they actively avoid confrontation shows how little you must think about circumstances and when a small misunderstanding can easily lead to a situation in which someone can justifiably get shot.

Someone can easily be in the wrong place and wrong time and come across a few people who are looking to take out their frustrations on a scapegoat. Would you say that they should just take a beating and hope to escape with their life and no permanent damage like a "good" person should? Maybe only if they otherwise have no other run ins with the law or are what you consider an upstanding citizen?

I walk my dog a lot at night around my neighborhood and often ring doorbells at night to tell my neighbors that their garage door is open and often even a car is left with a door open. Sometimes I see something suspicious and have confronted a few individuals I don't recognize. Luckily, it has all turned out to be a friend or family member of a resident and I make a new acquaintance. It seems a lot of people in this thread would rather not have someone like me as a neighbor though. Oh, and I'm armed when I walk my dog. Does that make a difference of what I should and shouldn't look out for in my neighborhood?

 

[QueBert]

Yup.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-sentenced-70-years-prison-death-german-teen

Really sucks for that guy that it wasn't a black teen who was trespassing in his garage. Not only would he not be going to prison for life. But he would be a celebrity who would be praised for doing the whole world a favor by ridding it of a thug.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Thank you for being a perfect example of what I was talking about.

Happy to oblige! 🙂

This particular situation with George Zimmerman aside, legally not guilty can still have half of society declaring you scum.

Doesn't make sense to put George aside when he is the person I am calling human scum. You should also note that the act of auctioning off his trophy gun is enough in my mind to earn him that distinction (even though he has done so much more). My way of saying "dick/douche".

That said, being found legally not guilty is not the same as being found innocent. And even being innocent of a crime is not the same as having acted in a commendable fashion. If you act like a "dick/douche" then you shouldn't be surprised that a least half of society will think you are scum.

You even try to make a jab at against someone who is saying they actively avoid confrontation shows how little you must think about circumstances and when a small misunderstanding can easily lead to a situation in which someone can justifiably get shot.

My "jab" was aimed at your own words which suggest that maybe you should be allowed to shoot a person who you decide is acting like a "dick/douche" without any repercussions.

Someone can easily be in the wrong place and wrong time and come across a few people who are looking to take out their frustrations on a scapegoat. Would you say that they should just take a beating and hope to escape with their life and no permanent damage like a "good" person should? Maybe only if they otherwise have no other run ins with the law or are what you consider an upstanding citizen?

No, I am not.

I walk my dog a lot at night around my neighborhood and often ring doorbells at night to tell my neighbors that their garage door is open and often even a car is left with a door open. Sometimes I see something suspicious and have confronted a few individuals I don't recognize. Luckily, it has all turned out to be a friend or family member of a resident and I make a new acquaintance. It seems a lot of people in this thread would rather not have someone like me as a neighbor though. Oh, and I'm armed when I walk my dog. Does that make a difference of what I should and shouldn't look out for in my neighborhood?

I wonder if you would be confronting people you do not know at night if you were not armed. Perhaps being armed encourages you to risk being "in the wrong place and wrong time". Does it make sense to instigate confrontations during which "small misunderstanding can easily lead to a situation in which someone can justifiably get shot"? Obviously it made sense to George. :\

I'm all for watching out for my neighbors, but I'd strongly prefer that there not be nightly armed patrols.

 

[Artdeco]

I think it's silly to carry one at all. And I own 13 of them including 5 handguns. 😀

Quite honestly, with your temper, you shouldn't ever consider concealed carry.

 

[DrPizza]

I can't believe that there are posters that are still putting the blame on the wrong party, even after the trial and the huge thread.

Anyone dispute this statement? So far I haven't seen anyone that stated that was not true.



That's WHY TM was shot to death, because of his bad behavior and criminal action. Period.

"... natural response was to react.." To react by trying to slam the other guy's head on concrete several times, MMA style? Really? Look like another perfect example of "when keeps it real goes wrong, deadly wrong".

Goodness people.

Let's not forget that the prosecution witness said that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, rather than Zimmerman confronting Trayvon.

I'm not claiming that Zimmerman is a saint, or that I'd ever want to meet him. I think he's a scum bag, and I think that attempting to sell the gun is in extremely poor taste, and an extremely poor decision due to the obvious public reaction toward it. But, in this particular case, regardless of Zimmerman's character, all of the evidence points to him having been truthful about what happened that night.

 

[desura]

Let's not forget that the prosecution witness said that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, rather than Zimmerman confronting Trayvon.

I'm not claiming that Zimmerman is a saint, or that I'd ever want to meet him. I think he's a scum bag, and I think that attempting to sell the gun is in extremely poor taste, and an extremely poor decision due to the obvious public reaction toward it. But, in this particular case, regardless of Zimmerman's character, all of the evidence points to him having been truthful about what happened that night.

It is possible that he was truthful from his perspective, but that if Martin had survived then he would have had quite a different perspective.

Ultimately the problem is with the laws and the societal norms.

 

[waggy]

It is possible that he was truthful from his perspective, but that if Martin had survived then he would have had quite a different perspective.

Ultimately the problem is with the laws and the societal norms.

even if you ignore every GZ says. The evidence STILL points to TM attacking GZ (his girlfriend admits TM said it). etc etc.


GZ has no filter. While he has every right to sell the gun it is in bad taste. HIm wanting to do a reality show was in bad taste etc.

the best thing society can do is ignore his attempts at getting back on TV. who cares about the man? let him sell his gun and fade back into nothing.

 

[Artdeco]

I don't think anyone here is arguing Zimmerman is a fine, upstanding citizen. The guy's a douchebag.