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George Zimmerman arrested on suspected domestic violence with a weapon

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Jaskalas said:
I wish him better... why?

Backlash... from watching the public call for the guy's head.
Backlash... against the idea that he shouldn't have defended himself.

He was severely wronged and damaged. Won a trial and still lost... everything. That could have been anyone of us out there that night. Attacked by a teen, and then by a lawless mob.
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So everything that's happened to him is everybody else's fault? You can't be serious.
 
Jaskalas said:
You think he has his life on track with employment / college / personal relationships after becoming a public enemy with a target on his back? Even if he had the potential to be unstable before, as something that's part of him, going through hell isn't going to help.

Where are the bleeding heart types now, to understand and sympathize with a guy who tried to have his !@#$ together - but now is facing too great of odds to be able to cope with it?

I see a guy who could be a good citizen, who tried to protect his neighborhood from crime, got into trouble, and now is teetering on the edge of an abyss. These run-ins with the law prove that the folks in his personal life just aren't cutting it, he's not getting the help he needs.

A lot of folks appear to be eager to see him fall, but at what price? What does that say about us as a society if we are unable to help people get their lives back together? Are we agents of order or chaos? Do we help or harm others?

What sort of society do you want us to be?
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This guy seems to not want to help himself; we as a society can help but the person, in this case GZ, has to want the help. His actions before/during/after the TM incident suggest that he does not want help.

You can lead a pig to the trough but you can't make him eat.

Jaskalas said:
I wish him better... why?

Backlash... from watching the public call for the guy's head.
Backlash... against the idea that he shouldn't have defended himself.

He was severely wronged and damaged. Won a trial and still lost... everything. That could have been anyone of us out there that night. Attacked by a teen, and then by a lawless mob.
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No, that couldn't have been any if us; I wouldn't have followed TM to begin with. In this recent case I wouldn't have thrown a bottle or anything else at my girlfriend.
 
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alzan said:
This guy seems to not want to help himself; we as a society can help but the person, in this case GZ, has to want the help. His actions before/during/after the TM incident suggest that he does not want help.

You can lead a pig to the trough but you can't make him eat.



No, that couldn't have been any if us; I wouldn't have followed TM to begin with. In this recent case I wouldn't have thrown a bottle or anything else at my girlfriend.
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I would say it's almost definitional that a pig doesn't need to be told to eat.
 
ivwshane said:
So his continued bad behavior is caused by the public? I guess when people talk about taking personal reaponsibility and not acting like a thug, that only applies to black people, everyone else gets a pass because "the public".
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That is what conservatives mean, but when liberals want to apply conservative delusions that people are responsible for their actions instead of their actions requiring some response from society to prevent them, liberals are equally delusional. Sleeping machines, that would be all of us, are. Not responsible agents.
 
ivwshane said:
You can avoid justice but you can't run from karma
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TechBoyJK said:
What's that supposed to mean?
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It means karma is giving him the middle finger for his repeated attention starved douchetastic behavior which requires the involvement of LEOs.

domestic violence (or verbal threats depending on the version you believe)... getting into a verbal altercation about someone's driving he disapproved of "road rage" then allegedly following that person to his place of work.... domestic violence again...

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^Karma's reaction to Mr. Zimmerman's antics.


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Moonbeam said:
I would say it's almost definitional that a pig doesn't need to be told to eat.
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Apparently GZ does.

Society has lots of avenues for people who have social disorders, people who need help "getting a clue", people who are drama queens, etc.

GZ just happens to be all three and possibly more.
 
Definitely sounds like GZ may have some anger issues but to be fair he has been through a fuckload of stuff and has had his life under a microscope ever since. If anyone on here would have gotten into a bar fight with a plain clothes officer and a year (or whatever) later threw a bottle at their girlfriend, missing her (so it is possible that he didn't intend on hitting her) none of us would have read national news stories about it.

Hopefully the judge makes him do some sort of anger management or something. If I was him I would be doing everything possible to make sure no one hears a peep out of me and I'd be working on my book/movie deals. Getting into bar fights and throwing wine bottles is just beyond stupid.
 
Darwin333 said:
Definitely sounds like GZ may have some anger issues but to be fair he has been through a fuckload of stuff and has had his life under a microscope ever since. If anyone on here would have gotten into a bar fight with a plain clothes officer and a year (or whatever) later threw a bottle at their girlfriend, missing her (so it is possible that he didn't intend on hitting her) none of us would have read national news stories about it.

Hopefully the judge makes him do some sort of anger management or something. If I was him I would be doing everything possible to make sure no one hears a peep out of me and I'd be working on my book/movie deals. Getting into bar fights and throwing wine bottles is just beyond stupid.
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If you ignore the TM case as if the incident never happened Zimmerman still would have had his prior incidents and he still would be a douche. To blame society for actions that are similar to prior actions before he was in the spotlight is ridiculous in my opinion. Now if he had a clean slate before hand and only after the TM case did he start having problems then I'd agree that the public might be having an effect on him, but that's not the reality.
 
Jaskalas said:
You think he has his life on track with employment / college / personal relationships after becoming a public enemy with a target on his back? Even if he had the potential to be unstable before, as something that's part of him, going through hell isn't going to help.

Where are the bleeding heart types now, to understand and sympathize with a guy who tried to have his !@#$ together - but now is facing too great of odds to be able to cope with it?

I see a guy who could be a good citizen, who tried to protect his neighborhood from crime, got into trouble, and now is teetering on the edge of an abyss. These run-ins with the law prove that the folks in his personal life just aren't cutting it, he's not getting the help he needs.

A lot of folks appear to be eager to see him fall, but at what price? What does that say about us as a society if we are unable to help people get their lives back together? Are we agents of order or chaos? Do we help or harm others?

What sort of society do you want us to be?
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I agree with a lot of that, but being an asshole is his own personal choice. Lots of people are under a lot of stress, and one shouldn't need outside help to not throw wine bottles at or rough up girlfriends. That's a character issue, not a societal problem.

I agree with Harrod that dude needs to go to Alaska, but mostly because Alaska has something like 10 or 20 men per woman. Dude doesn't play well with women.

Darwin333 said:
Definitely sounds like GZ may have some anger issues but to be fair he has been through a fuckload of stuff and has had his life under a microscope ever since. If anyone on here would have gotten into a bar fight with a plain clothes officer and a year (or whatever) later threw a bottle at their girlfriend, missing her (so it is possible that he didn't intend on hitting her) none of us would have read national news stories about it.

Hopefully the judge makes him do some sort of anger management or something. If I was him I would be doing everything possible to make sure no one hears a peep out of me and I'd be working on my book/movie deals. Getting into bar fights and throwing wine bottles is just beyond stupid.
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I can't imagine Hollywood is beating down his door to make a movie from his perspective. Anyone financially rewarding him is going to face retaliation and boycotts. And honestly, what does he bring to the table? We've all heard all the details of the case, and at the end of the day there's a dead 17 year old boy standing between Zimmerman and sympathy. Probably at some former girlfriends, too - as long as he's not holding anything hurlable anyway.
 
Hahahahah. The psycho rears his head again.

Is there anyone here who still believes he was innocent in the TM killing?
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Too bad that pesky ole US Constitution will require the courts to give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt yet again .
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lol.

Courts worked as they should, and they work a great deal of the time, but that says nothing about GZ's innocence or lack thereof.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Actually you're the one that can get over this case or the Michael Brown case even though the evidence clearly showed that the jury got it right in both cases.
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Also, the legal system at least for "non-blacks" is weighted for the defense. Or haven't you heard the quote "Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer".

But, isn't it funny that whenever one of these stories come up you slide into your legalisms.

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Damn I can still remember in college when I dissed a girl I was dating and she picked up a bottle of cologne and threw it at me. I never knew that I could have charged her with domestic violence. Damn!!

This seems a little overhyped. It is not like he knocked her down and beat the ever-living shit out of her. He does appear to have quite the temper though.

Hey George, you stupid fucking moron, GET THE HELL OUT OF FLORIDA!!!
 
emperus said:
Hahahahah. The psycho rears his head again.

Is there anyone here who still believes he was innocent in the TM killing?
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Well, to be fair to the guy, we have no idea what his life has been like post-TM. For all we know, he receives daily abuse almost everywhere he goes. That would be enough to make most people a little twisted and shorten their internal fuse.

Since I don't know what he's been through, I'm not going to pass judgment on him.
 
shira said:
Well, to be fair to the guy, we have no idea what his life has been like post-TM. For all we know, he receives daily abuse almost everywhere he goes. That would be enough to make most people a little twisted and shorten their internal fuse.

Since I don't know what he's been through, I'm not going to pass judgment on him.
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Unfortunately, these are the same incidents that happened before the TM incident. The problem is that a lot of people on this board continue to believe he was an angel that fell from heaving the minute before TM. Go back and look at all the allegations about him before TM in context with what we now know. You'll see there was no change. As we all know adversity reveals character.
 
emperus said:
Unfortunately, these are the same incidents that happened before the TM incident. The problem is that a lot of people on this board continue to believe he was an angel that fell from heaving the minute before TM. Go back and look at all the allegations about him before TM in context with what we now know. You'll see there was no change. As we all know adversity reveals character.
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Are you suggesting it's fair game to bring into the argument the behaviors of people at other times in their lives? And is this true for everyone involved, that skin color plays no impact on whether a person can or cannot be scrutinized?
 
What is with this guy.. who is protecting him?

First his ex-wife, then two different girlfriends all accuse him of some shit. All three eventually recant their stories and Georgie goes free..
 
unixwizzard said:
What is with this guy.. who is protecting him?

First his ex-wife, then two different girlfriends all accuse him of some shit. All three eventually recant their stories and Georgie goes free..
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My guess is each woman (in typical crazy bitch fashion) actually gets it in her mind that she can use his history against him, and when they don't get their way, they actually try and do it.
 
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