George Will: Romney could damage chances for GOP

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http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will103011.php3

The Republican presidential dynamic — various candidates rise and recede; Mitt Romney remains at about 25 percent support — is peculiar because conservatives correctly believe that it is important to defeat Barack Obama but unimportant that Romney be president. This is not cognitive dissonance.

Obama, a floundering naif who thinks ATMs aggravate unemployment, is bewildered by a national tragedy of shattered dreams, decaying workforce skills and forgone wealth creation. Romney cannot enunciate a defensible, or even decipherable, ethanol policy.
Life poses difficult choices, but not about ethanol. Government subsidizes ethanol production, imposes tariffs to protect manufacturers of it and mandates the use of it — and it injures the nation’s and the world’s economic, environmental, and social (it raises food prices) well-being.

In May, in corn-growing Iowa, Romney said, “I support” — present tense — “the subsidy of ethanol.” And: “I believe ethanol is an important part of our energy solution for this country.” But in October he told Iowans he is “a business guy,” so as president he would review this bipartisan — the last Republican president was an ethanol enthusiast — folly. Romney said that he once favored (past tense) subsidies to get the ethanol industry “on its feet.” (In the 19th century, Republican “business guys” justified high tariffs for protecting “infant industries”). But Romney added, “I’ve indicated I didn’t think the subsidy had to go on forever.” Ethanol subsidies expire in December, but “I might have looked at more of a decline over time” because of “the importance of ethanol as a domestic fuel.” Besides, “ethanol is part of national security.” However, “I don’t want to say” I will propose new subsidies. Still, ethanol has “become an important source of amplifying our energy capacity.” Anyway, ethanol should “continue to have prospects of growing its share of” transportation fuels. Got it?

Every day, 10,000 baby boomers become eligible for Social Security and Medicare, from which they will receive, on average, $1 million of benefits ($550,000 from the former, $450,000 from the latter). Who expects difficult reforms from Romney, whose twists on ethanol make a policy pretzel?

A straddle is not a political philosophy; it is what you do when you do not have one. It is what Romney did when he said that using Troubled Assets Relief Program funds for the General Motors and Chrysler bailouts “was the wrong source for that funding.” Oh, so the source was the bailouts’ defect.

Last week in Ohio, Romney straddled the issue of the ballot initiative by which liberals and unions hope to repeal the law that Republican Gov. John Kasich got enacted to limit public employees’ collective bargaining rights. Kasich, like Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, is under siege. Romney was asked, at a Republican phone bank rallying support for Kasich’s measure, to oppose repeal of it and to endorse another measure exempting Ohioans from Obamacare’s insurance mandate (a cousin of Romneycare’s Massachusetts mandate). He refused.

His campaign called his refusal principled: “Citizens of states should be able to make decisions . . . on their own.” Got it? People cannot make “their own” decisions if Romney expresses an opinion. His flinch from leadership looks ludicrous after his endorsement three months ago of a right-to-work bill that the New Hampshire legislature was considering. So, the rule in New England expires across the Appalachian Mountains?

A day after refusing to oppose repeal of Kasich’s measure, Romney waffled about his straddle, saying he opposed repeal “110 percent.” He did not, however, endorse the anti-mandate measure, remaining semi-faithful to the trans-Appalachian codicil pertaining to principles, thereby seeming to lack the courage of his absence of convictions.

Romney, supposedly the Republican most electable next November, is a recidivist reviser of his principles who is not only becoming less electable; he might damage GOP chances of capturing the Senate. Republican successes down the ticket will depend on the energies of the Tea Party and other conservatives, who will be deflated by a nominee whose blurry profile in caution communicates only calculated trimming.

Republicans may have found their Michael Dukakis, a technocratic Massachusetts governor who takes his bearings from “data” (although there is precious little to support Romney’s idea that in-state college tuition for children of illegal immigrants is a powerful magnet for such immigrants) and who believes elections should be about (in Dukakis’s words) “competence,” not “ideology.” But what would President Romney competently do when not pondering ethanol subsidies that he forthrightly says should stop sometime before “forever”? Has conservatism come so far, surmounting so many obstacles, to settle, at a moment of economic crisis, for this?

I agree... Romney's nomination is a win for Democrats and the status-quo, whether he wins the White House or not.
 

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http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will103011.php3



I agree... Romney's nomination is a win for Democrats and the status-quo, whether he wins the White House or not.

From George Will no less..Republicans may have found their Michael Dukakis

I've got to believe in the backrooms of the republican party, there's got to be somekind of fight going on between to Libertopian Kochs bros, and ole Rove that they can't get their act together. This is their election to loose. The economy staying the same or going south is their only hope.
 

hal2kilo

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I have said this before also..Romney is more Liberal then President Obama on many issues just depends what day you talk to him.:D

He's still trying to wash out those being Governor of Massachusetts stains out of his clothes.
 

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In May, in corn-growing Iowa, Romney said, “I support” — present tense — “the subsidy of ethanol.” And: “I believe ethanol is an important part of our energy solution for this country.”

Where's the puke emote? I need one.

I'll vote for Obama before Romney, cause at least Obama's honest about screwing us with liberal policy.
 

hal2kilo

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Romney is nothing other than a progressive Rockefeller Republican like his father. He won't even get 30% of the vote.

Yea, the old big tent and sane Republican party. When at the same time the Democrats had conservative dixiecrats and both sides used to compromise by crossing the aisle.

Too bad Johnson signed the Civil Rights act and sent the southern white dixiecrats over to the Republicans who welcomed them with open arms. This started the culling of the liberals from the republican party. Now our country is so totally polarized that while our economic ship is sinking there is no compromise to save the ship.
 
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I don't know how anyone can predict a Romney victory would be a victory for liberals, Democrats, red-headed Albanians or any other group. Romney holds far too many "firm"beliefs (generally as dictated by the most current poll, at least before election). He will be a complete wild card in office, most likely basing his decisions on which lobbying group paid him the most, or at least the most recently.

I'll one-up George Will (who seems to have taken his cranky pill before writing that opinion piece)-I confidently predict that a Romney presidency would be bad for the country, but good for Romney's fellow alumni and old friends. Good for Dems? I doubt it, unless the Romney class is going to hire a lot more documented domestic help for their multiple mansions.

As usual a420 is dead wrong. This Romney is nowhere near the stature of his father or Rockefeller, who were sane Republicans dedicated to improving the USA.
 
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I can't be the only on who read the thread and thought "the GOP will damage chances for GOP".
 
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I have said this before also..Romney is more Liberal then President Obama on many issues just depends what day you talk to him.:D

What issues in particular is he "more liberal" on? The same on some issues, sure. But more liberal? Be specific.
 

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What issues in particular is he "more liberal" on? The same on some issues, sure. But more liberal? Be specific.

Romney was in favor of Single Payer for Romneycare but Obama ran on instituting Single payer but he sold us out in the end eer actually in the beginning.
He claimed to have given a shit about it but on a scale of 1-10 on the effort meter I would give President Obama about a -1 on that issue.
 

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I can't be the only on who read the thread and thought "the GOP will damage chances for GOP".

This. Colbert exhibits his usual uncanny prescience with his "Rick Parry" campaign. Repubs need & want a candidate who doesn't exist, one that will appeal to their radicalized looney tune base, their big money supporters, and enough independents to win.

It's who they've become through their own actions, and it's entirely fitting that they should be in such a quandary.

When George Will thinks that Romney is destroying Repub chances, their chances are already destroyed- from within, not from without, and he's just engaging in pre-emptive blame shifting.
 

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It's not Romney destroying their chances, it's the core leadership of the group and what they're choosing to push out. You can tell they're not even sure they want Romney. Republican leadership has no clue what they're doing or they're intentionally running this election into the ground.
 

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It's not Romney destroying their chances, it's the core leadership of the group and what they're choosing to push out. You can tell they're not even sure they want Romney. Republican leadership has no clue what they're doing or they're intentionally running this election into the ground.

They're pushing out the same thing they've pushed out for 20 years- it hasn't changed a bit. They rode that horse into the ground when they created the Ownership Society, but they're still spurring its carcass. That's why their presidential field looks like a clown car just emptied out onto the stage, other than Romney & Huntsman. They're all spurring the same dead horse, the policies of Reaganomics & Bushonomics, the same hypocritical family values, the same lies about taxes, Job Creators, & income distribution, the same anti-gubmint diatribes.

Their only problem is that they can't find a standard bearer like Dubya or Ronnie, somebody who can sell the deception. The script ended with the collapse of the Ownership Society & the bailout, so they're just doing excerpts from previous acts... pretending it's something new, pretending we're not living the consequences of their own creation.
 

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Jhhnn, lol no they aren't. Have you even been paying attention to the Republican primaries at all? It's a circus, there's no way a single person takes it fucking seriously. There's a few candidates who should probably be in a debate and then the other 75% are just there to put on a circus act. This is not the same thing we saw 4 years ago when they forced McCain to pick up the party line or even what we got with Bush. Please, you think far to lowly of those you see as the "enemy".
 

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I don't know anyone who can get a bead on Romney. He is a empty, vapid wise and beautiful woman of a man.

Who is Mitt Romney?
 

Jhhnn

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Jhhnn, lol no they aren't. Have you even been paying attention to the Republican primaries at all? It's a circus, there's no way a single person takes it fucking seriously. There's a few candidates who should probably be in a debate and then the other 75% are just there to put on a circus act. This is not the same thing we saw 4 years ago when they forced McCain to pick up the party line or even what we got with Bush. Please, you think far to lowly of those you see as the "enemy".

They're all mouthing the same slogans that got Ronnie and Dubya elected. The same ones as in the contract with America. Same pitch as over the last 20 years, but some of us perceive it differently in the aftermath of the Ownership Society. God, guns, gays, abortion, entitlements, smaller govt, deregulation, lower taxes, states rights, family values, job creators (trickledown economics) and anything else that has nothing to do with what needs to happen for this country to thrive.

Repub primary voters still go for it, and they *don't want* Romney or Huntsman, they just want Rick Perry to make a little bit of sense, in which case he'd be Rick Parry, somebody they could support enthusiastically, because he epitomizes every lie they believe in so fervently.

I mean, really. Their well scripted attack on New Deal policy of the postwar period ran off the script when the Ownership Society collapsed & they were forced into bailout mode. They mounted a comeback in 2010 because Dems failed to seize the moment, push for sweeping reforms like FDR in 1932.

They're still screwed at the presidential level. Their only real advantage is that Obama is too much like them, which alienates his base almost as much as anybody who makes sense alienates their own base.
 

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Romney was in favor of Single Payer for Romneycare but Obama ran on instituting Single payer but he sold us out in the end eer actually in the beginning.
He claimed to have given a shit about it but on a scale of 1-10 on the effort meter I would give President Obama about a -1 on that issue.

No, Obama supported a public option to compete with private health insurance, then was lukewarm about it. He never supported single payer as a candidate or as POTUS. I don't think Romney ever did either.
 

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They're all mouthing the same slogans that got Ronnie and Dubya elected. The same ones as in the contract with America. Same pitch as over the last 20 years, but some of us perceive it differently in the aftermath of the Ownership Society. God, guns, gays, abortion, entitlements, smaller govt, deregulation, lower taxes, states rights, family values, job creators (trickledown economics) and anything else that has nothing to do with what needs to happen for this country to thrive.

Repub primary voters still go for it, and they *don't want* Romney or Huntsman, they just want Rick Perry to make a little bit of sense, in which case he'd be Rick Parry, somebody they could support enthusiastically, because he epitomizes every lie they believe in so fervently.

I mean, really. Their well scripted attack on New Deal policy of the postwar period ran off the script when the Ownership Society collapsed & they were forced into bailout mode. They mounted a comeback in 2010 because Dems failed to seize the moment, push for sweeping reforms like FDR in 1932.

They're still screwed at the presidential level. Their only real advantage is that Obama is too much like them, which alienates his base almost as much as anybody who makes sense alienates their own base.

You're fucking lost admit you've paid no attention to any of the primaries and move along. Seriously. I wouldn't vote for any of the Republican candidates at the moment, but if you think this is anything like before you're fucking retarded. They are either intentionally throwing this election or the party leaders have lost control and have no idea what they're doing. This is not a repeat of the same shit.
 

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Romney was in favor of Single Payer for Romneycare but Obama ran on instituting Single payer but he sold us out in the end eer actually in the beginning.
He claimed to have given a shit about it but on a scale of 1-10 on the effort meter I would give President Obama about a -1 on that issue.
Massachusetts doesn't have single payer and Romney was never in favor for a "single payer" system.
Nice try though.
 

hal2kilo

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They're all mouthing the same slogans that got Ronnie and Dubya elected. The same ones as in the contract with America. Same pitch as over the last 20 years, but some of us perceive it differently in the aftermath of the Ownership Society. God, guns, gays, abortion, entitlements, smaller govt, deregulation, lower taxes, states rights, family values, job creators (trickledown economics) and anything else that has nothing to do with what needs to happen for this country to thrive.

Repub primary voters still go for it, and they *don't want* Romney or Huntsman, they just want Rick Perry to make a little bit of sense, in which case he'd be Rick Parry, somebody they could support enthusiastically, because he epitomizes every lie they believe in so fervently.

I mean, really. Their well scripted attack on New Deal policy of the postwar period ran off the script when the Ownership Society collapsed & they were forced into bailout mode. They mounted a comeback in 2010 because Dems failed to seize the moment, push for sweeping reforms like FDR in 1932.

They're still screwed at the presidential level. Their only real advantage is that Obama is too much like them, which alienates his base almost as much as anybody who makes sense alienates their own base.

It's amazing to this day not a one of them can admit that trickle down economics has been an utter failure and has torn the stuffing out of the middle class.
 

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Of course it's the same shit, the same "issues" being raised by Repub hopefuls. It's just more awkward for them atm, the truth of their economic policy being what it is, compounded by their candidates not being amenable to just reading from the script like Ronnie & Dubya.

Looney tune halfwit that he is, Perry would be the nominee if he'd just done that, not gone off the grounds of the asylum. His "conservative" credentials are perfect, his support for the cause quite demonstrable.

Santorum and Gingrich are political has-been's, Paul is too old and too iconoclastic, not really an inmate of the same asylum, and Huntsman entirely too much like Romney, not a true believer at all. Cain is an obvious charlatan, dead in the water because of the sexual harassment stuff and his open embrace of the Koch Bros. Bachmann is too stupid & strident other than for the most radical elements of the base. Pawlenty had no charisma.

Did I leave out anybody? Oh, yeh, Romney. The base neither trusts nor likes him, and he's not a true believer, anyway. That's because he's half-assed reasonable, which he proved as governor of Massachusetts. He's a Yankee, a Mormon, a highbrow lacking in down-home charm. He doesn't speak in the code of the cult, hasn't really mastered the dog whistle politics they know & love. But he'll likely be their nominee by default, and the enthusiasm will be underwhelming.
 

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I've always found George Will's columns to be tiresome and needlessly abstruse. Never, ever have I found his opinions compelling. Just look at his criticisms of Romney is this column:

Romney cannot enunciate a defensible, or even decipherable, ethanol policy.

To which a rational response is: Show me where Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Bachman or any other Republican candidate has enunciated a defensible, decipherable policy on ANYTHING.

And

Every day, 10,000 baby boomers become eligible for Social Security and Medicare, from which they will receive, on average, $1 million of benefits ($550,000 from the former, $450,000 from the latter). Who expects difficult reforms from Romney, whose twists on ethanol make a policy pretzel?

To which a rational response is: Show me where Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Bachman or any other Republican candidate has enunciated difficult reforms of these programs.

In my opinion, George Will is an overrated hack.