George Will nails it.. again

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zsdersw

Lifer
Oct 29, 2003
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The err with progressives is not in intent, but in the first place they look to for a solution to society's problems. Rather than looking first to individual people and the choices they have to make and responsibilities they must accept, they first look to government (at any level) to provide a fix and only rarely look elsewhere: "What can the government do about this?" is the first question they ask. Conservatives, on the other hand, ask "How can we fix this without using the government?"
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Conservatives want to keep America pretty much as it is. Progressives want to "fundamentally transform America" (Obama's words) into something completely different. Clearly, conservatives love America and progressives hate it.

If you had a brain...

Plenty of irony of the week nominees this week.

I do not plan to keep noting the next 50 or 100 times werepossum repeats his same old lies about liberals - and conservatives too, it turns out, his straw men, it's a hassle.

But this is just that.

The right are the ones who want to 'fundamentally change America' into the version they think it should be; who want to reverse most of the last century's progress.

This is where their imagined version they like to pretend (wrongly) is somehow more 'pure' back to the founding fathers is better than what America is.

Obama talked of 'fundamentally changing' America in the 2008 campaign - when what Bush and Republicans had changed America with was very unpopular.

At the point of a massive economic crash and threat, with records in moving to plutocracy. My recollection is he was talking about changing those bad policies.

And we have people on the right lie about what this means, to the absurdity of werepossum's lies.

The first entry a google returned sounded a lot like werepossum, showing how this group views things:

To “fundamentally transform America” requires that liberty, freedom, our birthrights and our private property are transformed and no longer a fundamental precept of our country.

What exactly does he want to transform us into?

A Marxist state tyranny where Whites, Jews and Christians will be purged and misery is applied equally among the “little people” while the Elites running a politburo are enriched off of our substance.

You elect this Hitlerian Madman at the peril of your own freedom America.

Yes, more straw men. Clearly Obama wanted to do those things, and change the US into a "Marxist state tyranny" with purges and so on.

Clearly, Obama is a "Hitlerian madman". Werepossum may know enough to stop short of that language, but the flaws are the same type. His comments are no less absurd.

These people are so irrational, they're little more than an attack on the founding father's assumptions that citizens were rational and self-governance was practical.

The right, in its haze of being propagandized by the special interests, champion policies that would make America things it has never been - just as we are already seeing things from them that have never been the case, with corporations hitting new highs in power, with zero wealth after inflation going to the bottom 80% and the top 0.1% getting by far the large share, with the basic ideas of democracy being challenged by the right, that the people have no business actually having government actually do almost anything that represents their interests, that counters the concentrated power of the few most powerful.
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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The err with progressives is not in intent, but in the first place they look to for a solution to society's problems. Rather than looking first to individual people and the choices they have to make and responsibilities they must accept, they first look to government (at any level) to provide a fix and only rarely look elsewhere: "What can the government do about this?" is the first question they ask. Conservatives, on the other hand, ask "How can we fix this without using the government?"

Bullshit. How can you fall for this crap.

Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.
 

CallMeJoe

Diamond Member
Jul 30, 2004
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Conservatives want to keep America pretty much as it is. Progressives want to "fundamentally transform America" (Obama's words) into something completely different. Clearly, conservatives love America and progressives hate it.
If you had a brain, it would explode from a cognitive dissonance standing wave induced by your own words. Do not go down the yellow brick road. Do not meet with the wizard. Trust me on this one.
Modern "Conservatives" want to change America back into what they imagine it once was. "Progressives" want to transform America into what they think it always should have been. I can't honestly say that either group is correct.
Good luck with that cognitive dissonance thing. I hope you don't suffer too much.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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Plenty of irony of the week nominees this week.

I do not plan to keep noting the next 50 or 100 times werepossum repeats his same old lies about liberals - and conservatives too, it turns out, his straw men, it's a hassle.

But this is just that.

The right are the ones who want to 'fundamentally change America' into the version they think it should be; who want to reverse most of the last century's progress.

This is where their imagined version they like to pretend (wrongly) is somehow more 'pure' back to the founding fathers is better than what America is.

Obama talked of 'fundamentally changing' America in the 2008 campaign - when what Bush and Republicans had changed America with was very unpopular.

At the point of a massive economic crash and threat, with records in moving to plutocracy. My recollection is he was talking about changing those bad policies.

And we have people on the right lie about what this means, to the absurdity of werepossum's lies.

The first entry a google returned sounded a lot like werepossum, showing how this group views things:



Yes, more straw men. Clearly Obama wanted to do those things, and change the US into a "Marxist state tyranny" with purges and so on.

Clearly, Obama is a "Hitlerian madman". Werepossum may know enough to stop short of that language, but the flaws are the same type. His comments are no less absurd.

These people are so irrational, they're little more than an attack on the founding father's assumptions that citizens were rational and self-governance was practical.

The right, in its haze of being propagandized by the special interests, champion policies that would make America things it has never been - just as we are already seeing things from them that have never been the case, with corporations hitting new highs in power, with zero wealth after inflation going to the bottom 80% and the top 0.1% getting by far the large share, with the basic ideas of democracy being challenged by the right, that the people have no business actually having government actually do almost anything that represents their interests, that counters the concentrated power of the few most powerful.

Modern "Conservatives" want to change America back into what they imagine it once was. "Progressives" want to transform America into what they think it always should have been. I can't honestly say that either group is correct.
Good luck with that cognitive dissonance thing. I hope you don't suffer too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqN4NIEtOY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkpdNtTgQNM

There are any number of such clips of Obama and his minions calling for fundamental change, claiming there are deep flaws in our country and our Constitution. Accordingly, Democrats are pushing laws that make radical changes in our country, that fundamentally change our country. The laws Republicans are pushing are much less radical. Both sides push some changes that are good, some that are bad, and some that look good but will turn out to be bad. But to equate the changes Republicans want (fine tuning our country) with the changes the Democrats want to make (fundamentally changing our country) is simply wrong and dishonest. Although Republicans naturally have things they want to change, they basically like our nation as it stands. Democrats basically dislike our nation as it stands - thus the need for fundamental change.

Honestly, this is too basic for anyone to honestly miss. You cannot claim to like something, much less love it, and also claim it needs to be fundamentally changed.
 

darkewaffle

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Oct 7, 2005
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When I read articles like this, I feel like I'm sittin' on the nozzle of a big metal tank that says YALE.