George Will bitch slapping Republicans

[ProfJohn]

Just goes to show, if you can't fight a guy with facts, just make up lies that feeds the need to demonize the opposition.

It just amazes me though, how desperate the right is, that they have to resort to these kinds of dishonest propagandizing, and just as amazing how their base actually believe all of this obviously phony shtick.

And the left is any better??


How about 'selected, not elected"??

Heard of 'moveon.org' ever wonder what they are trying to move on from?

Perhaps I should post some Rolling Stone articles that explain how Kerry got the election stolen from him?

 

[ProfJohn]

So I guess that's the excuse nobody in the GOP will disavow the crazies or at least the crazy notions. John Boehner's excuse "I don't tell people what to think" In case you didn't notice 80% of his time is spent telling people what to think.

Until the GOP stop giving aid and comfort to the racist/birther fringe that big tent the GOP eagery craves will continue to shrink.

Funny how that works.

People on the right who have no connection to Huck or Palin must disavow their stupid or ignorant comments to be taken seriously.

But people on the left don't have to say anything about Jesse Jackson's racist comments or address Obama's spending 20 years in the church of a racist etc etc.

This fake out rage by you lefties is getting old.

 

[Thump553]

umm it's left wing members of this forum pushing Huckabee as a GOP nominee not us right wingers who understand that Huck is a little bit of a nut.

You're not with the program-we are pushing for Palin. But in a pinch, any exclude all but the true believers candidate will do. Personally I want Huckabee to stay at Faux because his show is a delightful trainwreck to watch in small doses.

 

[Linflas]

Funny how that works.

People on the right who have no connection to Huck or Palin must disavow their stupid or ignorant comments to be taken seriously.

But people on the left don't have to say anything about Jesse Jackson's racist comments or address Obama's spending 20 years in the church of a racist etc etc.

This fake out rage by you lefties is getting old.

What is even more humorous is how the 3 networks take their marching orders from the DNC and suddenly the question de jour for any Republican suddenly becomes why they don't reject "birthers". It matters not whether the Republican they are asking has ever opined one way or another on the birther subject but it does serve to distract which is the real point of the exercise.

 

[Siddhartha]

He did catch up, but Palin and the crazy Town Hall questions did him no good.

Look here

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/polling/index.html#US_2

after the GOP convention, Mr Obama and Mr McCain were within the error of a number of polls.

 

[crownjules]

Funny how that works.

People on the right who have no connection to Huck or Palin must disavow their stupid or ignorant comments to be taken seriously.

But people on the left don't have to say anything about Jesse Jackson's racist comments or address Obama's spending 20 years in the church of a racist etc etc.

This fake out rage by you lefties is getting old.

Everyone expects everyone else to speak out against those crazies who may be loosely affliated with them. The righties are asked why they don't publically denounce right wing religious nuts. The lefties are asked why they don't denounce eco-terrorists and crazy animal advocates. Muslims in the US are asked why don't they denounce their fundamentalist, foreign based religious brothers.

But as is typical with US politics, rather than say "hey you know you're right" we just point out how the other side does the same. And so the circle of passing the buck with no accountability and responsibility continues. And people like yourself allow these politicians to get away with it and so it will never end.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Look here

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/polling/index.html#US_2

after the GOP convention, Mr Obama and Mr McCain were within the error of a number of polls.

Those town hall meeting with the terrorist comments to the point that McCain had to make his little speech were the end of Sep beginning-mid October, after the convention. Pretty much where you see the giant drop in the polling numbers you linked.

 

[Lemon law]

Look here

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/polling/index.html#US_2

after the GOP convention, Mr Obama and Mr McCain were within the error of a number of polls.

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I can't deny that Siddhartha is not in fact correct.

But Siddhartha fails to factor in three things.

1. Immediately after a properly staged managed political convention, be it Democratic or Republican, there is a typical bounce up in the polls that only lasts a week or so. About the only recent time that failed to happen was the 1968 Democratic convention that nominated Humphrey amidst a bitter Democratic civil war. And Mayor Daley staged police riots deepened the feud.

2. At the convention, Sarah Palin looked like a brilliant VP pick on the part of John McCain, as Sarah wowed the GOP faithful with her Drill Baby Drill speech. A week or so later, all by herself, and with no dirty Democratic tricks, Sarah Palin gave some press interviews, and convinced the bulk of the American people she was a total nutcase. Of course Sarah won the hearts of maybe 35% of the GOP electorate, but lost the votes of 65% GOP electorate and all the Democratic electorate.

3. But the real thing that really killed all McCain chances were the revelations starting in the last 2 weeks of 9/2008, that a big economic meltdown was imminent. And when McCain tried to poo poo the fear by stating his faith in the economy, prefaced with his statement he was no economic expert, his fatal nosedive started. Because by early October it was clear to everyone, the meltdown was worse than everyone thought.

 

[Thump553]

McCain's numbers dropped because of what most of the electorate perceived as his deer in the headlights performance on economic issues, including his foolish call to suspend the debates and both candidates travel to Washington, DC to mediate a solution-a meeting where McCain sat like a bump on a log and Obama took charge. We got a dress rehearsal of how each would act as President, and the electorate ran from McCain in horror.

McCain briefly getting in touch with principles of decency and common sense at that town hall couldn't have hurt him with anything but the fringe birthers. George Wills' point is that is not a base to pander to if you want to win a majority in an election.

 

[HomerJS]

Funny how that works.

People on the right who have no connection to Huck or Palin must disavow their stupid or ignorant comments to be taken seriously.

But people on the left don't have to say anything about Jesse Jackson's racist comments or address Obama's spending 20 years in the church of a racist etc etc.

This fake out rage by you lefties is getting old.

The problem with using the argument "the left is just as bad" you need a few facts on your side. So I'll bite...

I know about Jessies hymie town thing from the early 80s so what racist thing has JJ said in the last 20 years we should disavow?

Rev. Wright is not a Democratic official. Also I don't recall him saying anything racist and even if you did refer back to the beginning of the sentance.

I'll throw in a wild card for you. During the 08 election who was the Democratic official making desparaging remarks about John McCain because he is white???

 

[Fern]

Yes, McCain fell after pulling even with Obama because the economic problems came to fore at precisely that time.

Back on topic - Will's rant is really about the schism between the establishment Repub party and the new players. That's all. This strugle has been going on for some time. Will is clearly of the establishment.

Edit: George Will also seemingly forgets that a primary campaign, and a general election are two different things. Running a general election campaign during the primaries is a sure way to lose. The Repubs primary is going to hear a lot of different voices, as it should. To warn that will result in gen elect defeat is silly. To claim alleged 'birther talk' by Huck will cling to Pawlenty (or Mitt, whoever) in the general is baseless.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

What is even more humorous is how the 3 networks take their marching orders from the DNC and suddenly the question de jour for any Republican suddenly becomes why they don't reject "birthers". It matters not whether the Republican they are asking has ever opined one way or another on the birther subject but it does serve to distract which is the real point of the exercise.

When you run out of arguments, invoke false attribution.

The media takes their marching orders from their advertisers, conservative multinational corporations, not from the DNC at all. The "Libruhl Media" is a myth.

Some outlets are avid and eager whores, like Fox, others try to maintain a little decorum when going down for their money.

It's why Republicans hate public media- they can't stop it from countering their agenda.

 

[bfdd]

watching dems and repubs fight is funny. "BUT YOU HAVE CRAZY RELIGONUTS WHO HEED EVERY WORD AND VOTE BASED ON YOUR WHIM!" Dems to Repubs.

"BUT YOU KEEP GIVING POOR PEOPLE SHIT SO THEY'LL KEEP VOTING FOR YOUR STUPID SHIT THAT IS KILLING OUR COUNTRY" Repubs to Dems.

God you guys are a bunch of finger pointing bitches.

 

[Generator]

What Will realizes is that Obama can be beaten and its a shame that the Republicans will let that opportunity pass as they devolve their campaign into birtherism, racism, and overall batshit depravity. You see when McCain had to tell that barbarian (I cant trus em, hes a, hes a....Arub) that Obama was a good, decent man his run was over.

The unwashed masses of the Republican base WANT to take that dive. They want get into the muck with the fucking shit. Revel in it and smile real wide dripping shit of bigotry and stupidity. McCain couldn't do it! George Will is telling them they don't need to do it!

Republicans have one question to ask themselves, would they rather win or rather be bigots.

 

[Moonbeam]

It only makes sense for Republicans to run a psycho of one kind or another.

 

[Jhhnn]

Republicans have one question to ask themselves, would they rather win or rather be bigots.

Oh, please. They answered that question when they adopted Strom Thurmond's Southern Strategy, extended it with Reaganomics, embraced the Terrarist Threat! as a basis for social control, funded every wing nut whack-a-doodle political group they could find.

They're not going back. They've set hard right rudder, and are prepared to sail off the edge of sanity.

 

[wuliheron]

Oh, please. They answered that question when they adopted Strom Thurmond's Southern Strategy, extended it with Reaganomics, embraced the Terrarist Threat! as a basis for social control, funded every wing nut whack-a-doodle political group they could find.

They're not going back. They've set hard right rudder, and are prepared to sail off the edge of sanity.

Damn straight skippy! This train's on a roll until it derails or the South Rises Again!

 

[Matt1970]

And the Deocrats aren't going to use the same old "Tax Cuts for the Rich" Or "Tax cuts for sending jobs overseas".

The list is pretty long for wack-o's on either side. Is the winner the one who points out that the other side has 50 wack-o's where our side only has 45? Kinda makes both side look pathetic. It's like looking in a prison at criminal rap sheets to try and find a saint.