George Will; a favorite of mine

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zsdersw

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http://townhall.com/columnists/Geor...es_lack_of_discipline?page=full&comments=true

WASHINGTON -- When Chancellor Angela Merkel decided that Germany would pay part of Greece's bills, voters punished her party in elections in Germany's most populous state, North Rhine-Westphalia. How appropriate.

The 1648 Peace of Westphalia, which ended the Thirty Years' War, ratified Europe's emerging system of nation-states. Since the end of the Thirty-One Years' War (1914-1945), European elites have worked at neutering Europe's nationalities. Greece's debt crisis reveals this project's intractable contradictions, and the fragility of Western Europe's postwar social model -- omniprovident welfare states lacking limiting principles.

Greece represents a perverse aspiration -- a society with (in the words of Wisconsin Republican Rep. Paul Ryan) "more takers than makers," more people taking benefits from government than there are people making goods and services that produce the social surplus that funds government. By socializing the consequences of Greece's misgovernment, Europe has become the world's leading producer of a toxic product -- moral hazard. The dishonesty and indiscipline of a nation with 2.6 percent of the eurozone's economic product have moved nations with the other 97.4 percent -- and the United States and the International Monetary Fund -- to say, essentially: The consequences of such vices cannot be quarantined, so we are all hostages to one another and hence no nation will be allowed to sink beneath the weight of its recklessness.

Recklessness will proliferate.

"The coining of money," said William Blackstone more than two centuries ago, "is in all states the act of the sovereign power."

But the EU is neither a state nor sovereign enough to enforce its rules: No eurozone nation is complying with the EU requirement that deficits not exceed 3 percent of GDP.

The EU has a flag no one salutes, an anthem no one sings, a president no one can name, a parliament (in Strasbourg) no one other than its members wants to have power (which must subtract from the powers of national legislatures), a capital (Brussels) of coagulated bureaucracy no one admires or controls, a currency that presupposes what neither does nor should nor soon will exist (a European central government), and rules of fiscal behavior that no member has been penalized for ignoring. The euro currency both presupposes and promotes a fiction -- that "Europe" has somehow become, against the wishes of most Europeans, a political rather than a merely geographic expression.

The designs of the paper euros, introduced in 2002, proclaim a utopian aspiration. Gone are the colorful bills of particular nations, featuring pictures of national heroes of statecraft, culture and the arts, pictures celebrating unique national narratives. With the euro, 16 nations have said goodbye to all that. The bills depict nonexistent windows, gateways and bridges. They are from ... nowhere, which is what "utopia" means.

Since European integration began in 1951 with creation of the European Coal and Steel Community, the question has been: Will there be a Europe of states or a state of Europe? The euro is part of the attempt to create the latter, a Leviathan constructed from the surrendered sovereignties of Europe's nations.

If money represents, as Emerson said, the prose of life, the euro reflects a determination to make European life prosaic. It is an attempt to erase nationalities and subsume politics in economics in order to escape from European history. The euro pleases dispirited people for whom European history is not Chartres and Shakespeare but the Holocaust and the Somme. The euro expresses cultural despair.

It also presupposes something else nonexistent. The word "democracy" incorporates the Greek demos -- people. As the recent rampages of Greece's demos, and the reciprocated disdain of Germany's demos, demonstrate, Europe remains a continent of distinct and unaffectionate peoples. There is no "European people" united by common mores. Henry James wrote to William Dean Howells: "Man isn't at all one, after all -- it takes so much of him to be American, to be French, etc." Still true; still perilous to ignore.

It is said that, two decades after the end of Europe's East-West political division, there is a North-South cultural division. But Ireland's and, even more, Britain's debt problems refute that distinction. Britain's debt, Europe's worst, is the result of increasing government spending from 37 percent of GDP to 53 percent in a decade. The London Spectator says no other European nation "has expanded its government as quickly -- over this or any other decade in postwar history."

The U in the EU -- the unifying thread -- is indiscipline. Increasingly, it also is the unifying characteristic of the USA.

I agree with much of this, and he's by far my favorite columnist and commentator. He isn't a partisan talking head or a sensationalistic Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, or Rush Limbaugh. He's precisely what conservatives need more of in their national discourse. Less shrill, more Will!
 
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cubeless

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can't wait to see who declares war on who in europe next, if the wheel of time keeps spinnin' round... going to be interesting when this all falls apart... the losers are going to be in some deep shit and their people are going to do what people historically have done when they think they been done wrong - blame someone else and try to kick their ass...
 

Jaskalas

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can't wait to see who declares war on who in europe next, if the wheel of time keeps spinnin' round... going to be interesting when this all falls apart... the losers are going to be in some deep shit and their people are going to do what people historically have done when they think they been done wrong - blame someone else and try to kick their ass...

Or point sharp objects at their leaders.

As for the OP - three cheers! Well written commentary indeed.
 

Thump553

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". . . .Since the end of the Thirty-One Years' War (1914-1945). . ."

WTF-apparently in Will's world, WWI and WWII-along with the roughly 25+ years of peace in between-were one war. Rewriting history to meet your thesis is one thing, this is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Will is better at writing about baseball. This editorial was a swing and a miss.
 

zsdersw

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". . . .Since the end of the Thirty-One Years' War (1914-1945). . ."

WTF-apparently in Will's world, WWI and WWII-along with the roughly 25+ years of peace in between-were one war. Rewriting history to meet your thesis is one thing, this is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Will is better at writing about baseball. This editorial was a swing and a miss.

I can't imagine a less important or relevant criticism than his lumping of the two world wars into one... considering that the differences between them are irrelevant to his point.
 

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Many experts in history say that World War II (WWII) began because of the Treaty of Versailles.
http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0215466/treaty_of_versailles.htm

Honestly I thought this was common knowledge, that the peace treaty ending WWI was the foundation WWII was built upon. In fact if I recall correctly Hitler forced the French to surrender in the same railcar in which the German's signed the armistice that ended the combat of WWI.
 

Thump553

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My point is that Will grossly distorts and oversimplifies history in order to lay a false foundation for the point he strives to make.

It is true that the Treaty of Versailles was A factor in causing WWII-more particularly, the very onerous repatrian burdens the victors put upon Germany, but to claim they were all one war is laughable. The imperialistic dreams of Germany, Italy and Japan leading up to WWII-irrelevant. Eradicating Jews, gays, and other "blemishes" upon racial purity-irrelevant. Invading USSR-irrelevant. Japan and the entire Pacific war (including the invasion of China)-irrelevant. Millions of people died and untoward destruction occurred, if you believe Will, all in an epic battle between forces ALLEGEDLY clashing over the abolishment of the European nation state.

I will concede Will usually makes a whole lot more sense than Rush, Glen Beck and the like, but I stand by my conclusion that his premise is fatally flawed in this case, thus his conclusions are too. At the base, Will presents the same old tired argument that the UN/European Union are evil because they destroy national identity, recast with some pompous intellectual pretensions.

Admittedly the European Union is undergoing some truely trying times now-primarly because of Greek fraud and inadequate regulation and oversight, but if you look at what has happened in nearly all of Europe in the last two decades-especially Ireland and Spain-the overall benefits are clear.

Cliff's: garbage in, garbage out.
 

zsdersw

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Millions of people died and untoward destruction occurred, if you believe Will, all in an epic battle between forces ALLEGEDLY clashing over the abolishment of the European nation state.

That's not his premise at all.
 

sandorski

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He has some good points to ponder. Hopefully the Greece situation has spurred some action in Europe to deal with some of the fiscal issues the Author brings up.

Seems like it has had that effect to a point already.
 

woolfe9999

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That's not his premise at all.

Indeed it wasn't. He's identifying the two wars by the one core, common thread that links them - nationalism. He is then claiming that what has happened in Europe ever since, culminating in the EU, is a reaction to the turmoil of those wars, i.e. an attempt to eliminate nationalism by abolishing the nation-state.

I don't necessarily agree with all his negative opinions about the EU, but I can't really fault him for rhetorically conflating the two world wars in this particular context.

- wolf
 

PricklyPete

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Definitely an interesting read. Europe is definitely in for some hard times trying to sort this mess out and keep it from tumbling uncontrollably.
 

Jhhnn

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What Will obfuscates is that the EU is a new departure for europeans, a recognition that doing the same thing over and over again (nationalism) while expecting different results (peace) is a reasonable definition of insanity.

Our perspective on war is different than theirs, given that the last time war was waged on US soil was in 1865. Going "over there" to blow shit up is entirely different than having your own shit (cities, homes, family) blown up.

Europe's economic problems are little different from our own- they're the result of over-extension of credit by parties who made a lot of money doing it, externalizing risk via securitization. Europe's political and economic landscape is currently a lot like what ours would be if States' Rights advocates had their way... and not as different as we'd like, given the financial condition of many states within the US...
 
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