George W may sue to turn over the 7 judges

[charliebrown]

<<On what basis do you feel the Supreme Court overreached its bounds? >>

The supreme court just re-wrote the statues that were put in place by the legislative and executive branches. They cannot rewrite the rules... they can only affirm or overturn the lower court's ruling... watch for this ruling to be overturned.

 

[Russ]

<< Your voters are going to send Carswell to the senate >>



Who's &quot;Carswell&quot;? You become funnier by the minute. Please provide some more examples of your rapidly dwindling mental acuity. We are rolling in the aisles.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Tripleshot]

Red Dawn

Today, Liberals rule the world,and they feed on the tears of the crying republican apologists.

Strike up the band! We are going to dance on the graves of the dieing loser gore bashers of AnandTech OT. Long live the new leader of the free world,Al Gore!










Damn,that hurt!

 

[Russ]

Charliebrown,

You are, to the chagrine of the liberals, correct. If Bush chooses to fight the decision, Bore will lose. Then, justice will prevail and we will not have to suffer through a third Slick Willie term.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Tripleshot]

Cantwell, Russ, you know, the female thats beating your incumbant republican?

Sorry to have confused you in your pain of losing so badly.



NOT!

 

[Russ]

<< I mean he's 400 or 500 behind now right? >>



By the time tomorrows vote rigging is done, he will probably be ahead.

There are three Federal Constitutional appeal avenues open to Bush. Read the court transcripts. If he chooses to avail himself of the opportunity, he will, in the end, win. The process in Florida is unconstitutional on several fronts, not the least of which is the 14th Amendment which guarantees equal treatment under the law.

The only question is whether or not Bush will pursue it. Unlike Bore who has nothing else, Bush has a life to go back to. Bore is politically dead for all time if he does not win, so he is desperate. Bush may just say, the hell with it, I don't need the hassle.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Russ]

<< Sorry to have confused you in your pain of losing so badly. >>



The only thing that confuses me is your blathering grammar and lack of ability to spell. BTW, I didn't vote for the Republican incumbent.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Tripleshot]

watch for this ruling to be overturned.

Oh? Who's left to over turn it? Do you think the legislture of Florida is going to do it?

Don't hold you breath on that hope. Remember,Bush is &quot;studying his options&quot;

That should take at least a week with his brain power. I mean,look at how well he has done so far. He has a great track record to look upon before he ever got to the White House. He has lost every case he brought to fight the will of the people in Florida.

Mark my words, the rank and file of the republican party does not support litigation as the pathway to the White House. If he wins by legitimate votes,after all the votes are counted,he will get support. If he was to prevail and stop the efforts to determine the will of the people by allowing the process to proceed as set forth by todays ruling of the Supreme Court,he will be vilified and will have no support in office.

 

[charliebrown]

Gore has turned this election into just another chapter of the 8-year saga of the Clinton-Hilary-Gore war room, another fight between the litigators and propagandists.

Unfortunately this is going to be war too - Baker and the Bush team are really mad. Look for the stock market to tank as the litigation goes on forever....

 

[Tripleshot]

Look for the stock market to tank as the litigation goes on forever....

I believe the market has been tanking since the 7th. The market does not like instability.Investors do.

Makes you wonder about the market being the vehicle for social security reform,doesn't it?

 

[Double Trouble]

Is this not pretty clear? Bush is simply gonna sit back right now and wait to see if the vote rigging produces enough stolen votes for Gore to take over the lead. If it does, 1. The florida legislature will throw out the rigged vote and simply vote to send the right electoral voters. 2. Bush will appeal to a federal court (on several grounds) that is not simply a group of democrats legislating from the bench, 3. the congress will simply vote to overturn the election results as they are obviously fraudulent (the counting process in Florida).

 

[chess9]

Tee, Tagej, and others:

Florida is changing. It is turning Brown, and Democratic. Against this backdrop, if the Florida Legislature reverses the results of the election, the resulting ruckus in and out of the State will be huge. First of all, the DNC will pore millions of dollars into the Florida Democratic Party to fight what are usually mere local races. Secondly, many people will feel the legislature overstepped by reversing their vote. The end result will be a massive shift in the Florida Legislature from the current Republican majority to a Democratic majority. They might also lose the governorship, though Jeb is pretty propular. Ultimately, the fallout in State races will not be worth the cost of electing a one-term, essentially lame duck President. Politically, it is a very stupid move. The raw exercise of power is rarely wise. Impeachment comes to mind.

Under a similar scenario, McCollum lost his Senatorial bid. The chickens WILL come home to roost.

 

[Format C:]

Chess9, I expect you might be surprised come next election. I expect a few judges may be also in the following one. That is if they havn't been promoted by then. What do you think of the reference in the court's ruling concerning the absentee ballots? I'm sure somebody in the Bush camp is going to pick that up and run with it, doncha think?

 

[chess9]

FormatC:

Ride and I have been saying all along that SOS Harris was wrong in ruling the ballots should not be counted if they didn't have a postmark. But the County Canvassing Boards, including the Republican one here in Orange County are saying if the results have been certified to the SOS, then they cannot be changed. I think all valid absentee ballots should be counted even if it means amending totals. Process is more important than who wins the election. I know this is a hard concept for Republicans to grasp, inasmuch as they think counting votes is un-American.

I have no doubt the Republicans will lose a ton of seats in the next state election regardless of what they do. If they are so stupid as to think they can overrule the Presidential Election with impunity, then I hope they do it. The resulting fireworks and loss of power will be worth it. You see, Republicans failed to consider the consequences of their stupidity when they impeached Clinton. Now many of those House members are handling divorce cases in places like Podunk, Iowa.
Sic transit gloria.

 

[Double Trouble]

I could care less if the legisature in Florida turns the other way in the next few years -- they still won't be able to decide the election for the nation by themselves. This is a unique situation, and the Republicans need to make suuuuuuure Gore and cronies don't steal it. Had Gore and cronies won the election fair and square, I would have just chalked it up to a large number of idiots. As it stands, there are indeed a large number of idiots, but the good guy got more votes in Florida, and he should get the electoral votes. Gore's trying to get elected by 7 votes (those of the judges) instead of the votes of the people. Also, it's not just the 4 years that matters, it's the 4 supremes that the next president might get to pick that might be around for a looooooong time.

Obviously, those surpremes in florida put their politics in front of their duty as judges, and I'm sure Gore (if he steals it) will thank them with a promotion a couple of years down the line to the real supreme court..... and who needs those kinds of people on the supreme court? People that make up the law as they go along to suit their agenda??

 

[chess9]

Tagej:

A couple people in Florida care who is elected to the Florida Legislature, but they are in Aruba on vacation.

Frankly, I hope Bush does win, but not because he deserves it. Neither one of them deserves it because neither one won. The American people lost.

Putting Bush in the White House vindicates nothing. Almost half of the qualified voters didn't vote. One-quarter think Gore won; one-quarter think Bush won. So the &quot;winner&quot; has the support of one-quarter of the American people, at best. Furthermore, many of the people who voted for Bush preferred McCain, so Bush's real support is probably around 12-20%. Add to that his many intellectual weaknesses and the fact he will be buried alive by the media, and you have a recipe for disaster for the Republicans.

Ergo, I relish his election now.

 

[Format C:]

Wow, never knew anyone could be so bitter and spiteful after a victory. If you can't even discuss an issue without all the derogatory comments then maybe its time for us all to just shut up and watch. As a matter of fact, I think thats exactly what I'm going to do (apart from reminding Mr Beetle of his nature every chance I get). The art of discussion and debate has certainly been lost here. Its now degenerated into who can sling the most insults. If this isn't over soon then a lot of people that were on the edge are going over and if that happens, God help us all.

 

[chess9]

Who is bitter and spiteful?

What victory?

What planet do YOU live on?

I do love banging on you guys because you are so serious and so predictable.

 

[StageLeft]

I agree that a re-count was probabaly prudent to include - but regardless it looks like Bush will win anyway - if he does win after including this recount it will add legitimacy to his presidency that he may otherwise have not have gotten from Gore supporters who would have complained that he should not be in office; this will be harder for them to do if the re-count is included and he still wins.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Russ:

No offense, but your criticism of others' spelling and grammar is the pot calling the kettle black - &quot;physician, heal thyself!&quot;

 

[chess9]

Skoorb:

You're right, Bush may still win. If he wins, then the Supremes did him a big favor because he won legitimately. Excellent point.

 

[FettsBabe]

I can't remember the exact total of justices who contributed more than $15000 to the Gore campaign but it was either 3 or 4. They should have excused themselves from the decision as it is a clearly biased one. I hope Bush and the American People step up and sue the hell out of everybody who is breaking and trying to create new laws (after the game was played).

 

[AndrewR]

<< The raw exercise of power is rarely wise. Impeachment comes to mind. >>


You are talking about the legislating judges in the FL Supreme Court, right?


<< So the &quot;winner&quot; has the support of one-quarter of the American people, at best. >>


The revolution which founded this country only had the support of 1/3 of the people living here. Did that make it illegitimate? If people don't vote or don't act, then they relinquish their voice. If they don't vote responsibly (ie, punch the fscking thing out, you morons), they relinquish their voice also.

 

[FettsBabe]

<< know this is a hard concept for Republicans to grasp, inasmuch as they think counting votes is un-American. >>



Ok, I normally can see your view point, but your lack of ability to state an unbiased argument is getting to me. Don't put down my party as being un-American because &quot;all&quot; Americans feel votes should be counted, but its me, a republican, that feels the LAW should PREVAIL. You don't break laws just to accomodate yourself whenever you feel like it. If
breaking laws&quot; is what is means to be a Democrat then I feel sorry for you and the remainder of your party. I guess thats what we could say is happening to society and America, break laws and who cares about the consequences!



<< One-quarter think Gore won; one-quarter think Bush won. So the &quot;winner&quot; has the support of one-quarter of the American people, at best. >>



This isn't true. If you don't support the President then you don't deserve to live in America. While we don't always agree with what they do, we as Americans should support them. I hate Clinton, but he has my support, and if he called me asking for help I would help.

&quot;Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country!&quot;

 

[chess9]

FettsBabe:

You need to re-read my comment. I wasn't calling Republicans un-American, though I'm sorely tempted , I was saying the Republicans think counting votes is un-American. Big difference.

I know we have lots of differences about this election, but I don't think ill of anyone on this board.

I do enjoy banging away at the right wing's views. I think they are narrow and sophomoric-driven mostly by shibboleths. I do think ultra-conservatism is very scary at times. But I also worry about the left wingers as well.

I really don't take any of this too seriously unless someone calls me a Commie. I've noticed no right wingers think calling people Commies is wrong, but it is wrong to make a jesting reference to Harris as a Nazi. Consistency, though art a jewel.