George W. Bush will not attend Republican Convention.

[Nebor]

Strange. When he was President he wouldn't even let camera's near the coffins.

It has always been up to the fallen's family to decide if media are allowed at Dover.

I don't see what you're getting at. I get the feeling you were trying to be snarky and failed.

FWIW, commanders had to do raffles, pick their top soldiers or otherwise narrow down the number of troops that wanted to see GWB when he came to the combat zones. Service members have to be ordered to go see President Obama when he comes to Afghanistan. Oh, and they're not allowed to have their weapons when he's around.

 

[trenchfoot]

The Repubs are attempting to pin the "failing" economy on Obama, and has had success in this regard. They don't need to have Bush in the limelight reminding us who was leading the country when the shit hit the fan, along with all of the negative press that got put out as each high office or high powered Repub got sent to jail, censured, investigated and/or exposed as corrupt during his tenure in office.

Especially so, the Repubs don't need the direct association Cheney had/has with Bush being brought out to highlight the fact that the same ideology that was in place for those eight years that Bush/Cheney had direct influence over the Treasury when the economy crashed is the same ideology that's presently being pushed by Romney.

America's short memory span is fickle enough to remember the simple cause/effect equation that either Bush or Cheney could trigger if one or both of them decide that rewriting their legacies out in public takes precedence over party priorities.

 

[Orignal Earl]

It has always been up to the fallen's family to decide if media are allowed at Dover.

I don't see what you're getting at. I get the feeling you were trying to be snarky and failed.

FWIW, commanders had to do raffles, pick their top soldiers or otherwise narrow down the number of troops that wanted to see GWB when he came to the combat zones. Service members have to be ordered to go see President Obama when he comes to Afghanistan. Oh, and they're not allowed to have their weapons when he's around.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-26-pentagon-coffins_N.htm

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Thursday it will lift an 18-year ban on coverage of the return of military members killed in war by allowing families of the fallen to decide whether the news media may photograph the flag-covered caskets

The ban on news media photos was put in place by President George H.W. Bush in 1991 during the Gulf War and upheld by President George W. Bush. It became a political issue in 2004 when unauthorized photos of the caskets appeared on the Web.

Back then, Gates said, he deferred to Pentagon advisers who said letting the news media take pictures might compel families to travel to Dover to be there to receive their loved ones' remains rather than wait for them to arrive home. It was also to protect the privacy of grieving families, he was told.

I wonder if you just straight up lie all the time, or if the Military hands out these adviser jobs to the least qualified because they want everything to mess up

 

[techs]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-26-pentagon-coffins_N.htm







I wonder if you just straight up lie all the time, or if the Military hands out these adviser jobs to the least qualified because they want everything to mess up

It's Nebor so lying is pretty much what he does.

 

[trenchfoot]

It has always been up to the fallen's family to decide if media are allowed at Dover.

I don't see what you're getting at. I get the feeling you were trying to be snarky and failed.

FWIW, commanders had to do raffles, pick their top soldiers or otherwise narrow down the number of troops that wanted to see GWB when he came to the combat zones. Service members have to be ordered to go see President Obama when he comes to Afghanistan. Oh, and they're not allowed to have their weapons when he's around.

You know, when I was in Nam, there was this "group think" going on coming down right from the top military commanders in-theatre in whispers and sometimes even in outright ravings: "Republican presidents GOOD; Democrat presidents BAD....GOT IT?" And like the good soldiers we were, we agreed....no, we obeyed en masse. Yet, on an individual basis, we mostly didn't give a shit one way or another because we were too young to give a damn. All we cared about was going home to wife, kids, family and loved ones <---(more to this). However, when asked from others that were outside the "circle of trust" we'd flip on the "group think" switch and praise any Repub president and diss the Dem ones, just like we were told.

Noone wanted to be the only nail in the board that needed to be hammered down and out the other end of the board....with extreme prejudice. And when asked what we thought about being in Vietnam fighting against the communist hordes, we all to man shouted out on que "We wouldn't rather be anywhere else in the world. We're fighting for democracy and our folks back home and freedom and...blah blah blah"....just as we were told, and all the while we were fervently hoping to get pulled out before we got killed or maimed beyond usefullness. And yes, there were the chronics and the boozers...especially the drafted ones who spoke their minds and excersized their right to get busted in rank, isolated, blackballed and distrusted while the rest of us excersized our right to remain silent and compliant.

I saw the same thing in Desert Shield and Desert Storm before retiring out. I assume that hasn't changed, or has it?

 

[blankslate]

It's probably because they want to give enough people time to forget his presidency before Governor Jeb Bush brought to the forefront by the Republican party.

 

[nageov3t]

It's probably because they want to give enough people time to forget his presidency before Governor Jeb Bush brought to the forefront by the Republican party.

I feel bad for Jeb.

if it wasn't for his last name, he'd be a great candidate and potentially a great President... I've heard a lot of good things about him, but I don't think the US will elect another Bush in my lifetime.

 

[Nebor]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-26-pentagon-coffins_N.htm







I wonder if you just straight up lie all the time, or if the Military hands out these adviser jobs to the least qualified because they want everything to mess up

Obviously it's a fine tuned concoction of dishonesty and ineptitude.

As long as I've been in the military (and that article is dated within days of my commissioning) it's been the family's right to choose. I could have worded that better.

Tech's post still made no sense. And you're still a dramatic, whining, sniveling excuse for a human being.

 

[Nebor]

You know, when I was in Nam, there was this "group think" going on coming down right from the top military commanders in-theatre in whispers and sometimes even in outright ravings: "Republican presidents GOOD; Democrat presidents BAD....GOT IT?" And like the good soldiers we were, we agreed....no, we obeyed en masse. Yet, on an individual basis, we mostly didn't give a shit one way or another because we were too young to give a damn. All we cared about was going home to wife, kids, family and loved ones <---(more to this). However, when asked from others that were outside the "circle of trust" we'd flip on the "group think" switch and praise any Repub president and diss the Dem ones, just like we were told.

Noone wanted to be the only nail in the board that needed to be hammered down and out the other end of the board....with extreme prejudice. And when asked what we thought about being in Vietnam fighting against the communist hordes, we all to man shouted out on que "We wouldn't rather be anywhere else in the world. We're fighting for democracy and our folks back home and freedom and...blah blah blah"....just as we were told, and all the while we were fervently hoping to get pulled out before we got killed or maimed beyond usefullness. And yes, there were the chronics and the boozers...especially the drafted ones who spoke their minds and excersized their right to get busted in rank, isolated, blackballed and distrusted while the rest of us excersized our right to remain silent and compliant.

I saw the same thing in Desert Shield and Desert Storm before retiring out. I assume that hasn't changed, or has it?

It hasn't changed one bit. You can fully expect to be looked down upon and discriminated against for voicing liberal opinions. I took plenty of flak for supporting the repeal of DADT, and equal benefits for same sex partners, and for supporting women in any role they can handle within the military. But then, the Army was always more of a lark than a career for me, so I wasn't too concerned about it.

 

[Orignal Earl]

And you're still a dramatic, whining, sniveling excuse for a human being.

lol
I'll remember that the next time you post one of your threads where you complain about how the Military is run, or one of your *We got to here out of here* posts.
You made your choice knowing all the facts going in, do your time like a man.

 

[Nebor]

lol
I'll remember that the next time you post one of your threads where you complain about how the Military is run, or one of your *We got to here out of here* posts.
You made your choice knowing all the facts going in, do your time like a man.

I volunteered for this deployment. My "time" has been up for a while. I can leave the Army anytime I want.

And as I've said many times before, this nation building project is destined to fail, and is a folly of national policy. But that doesn't make it any less exciting to participate in on a personal level.

What I hated the most back in the states was going to memorial services every week for soldiers killed in Afghanistan, and feeling helpless. By being here myself, it means someone else doesn't have to be, and that means a lot to me.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I volunteered for this deployment. My "time" has been up for a while. I can leave the Army anytime I want.

When did you join and how long have you served?
How does this work exactly? You can stay in and leave whenever you want?

By being here myself, it means someone else doesn't have to be, and that means a lot to me.

Yep, that applies to everyone over there
Don't turn it into a cliche'

 

[HomerJS]

Why not since Romney proposes going back to Bush's fiscal policies?

 

[Incorruptible]

Why not since Romney proposes going back to Bush's fiscal policies?

Which are the same as barrack huissein obama

 

[HomerJS]

Which are the same as barrack huissein obama

Not quite, sport...

 

[Orignal Earl]

When did you join and how long have you served?
How does this work exactly? You can stay in and leave whenever you want?



Yep, that applies to everyone over there
Don't turn it into a cliche'

bump
Maybe you will answer this time

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Same. Of course, this has nothing to do with why he's staying away from the convention -- the right is trying to pretend he never existed.

This. Was he really invited or told to stay the hell away and keep quiet? I think that at least one of the Obama PAC ads should raise the specter of the Bush presidency and its legacy. Poor McCain never really stood a chance in the 2008 election, and if they can remind the populace of how badly the last Republican administration did, 2012 should be a cakewalk.