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George McGovern 'Urges' Bush Impeachment
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Unbeleivable isn't it LL. The GOP was so concerned about ANY dirt they could dig about about Clinton, anything yet they're so willing to give their guy a free pass.
I don't beleive the divide between the D's and R's can be bridged until some kind of an atonement for that injustice has been fought for and won... or lost, but they need to at least try to do the right thing.
GarfieldtheCat
Diamond Member
Innocent until proven guilty.....just like all the "terrorists" locked up in Gitmo without a trial or rights?
Or how Jose Padilla, a US citizen just like Bush, was locked up without charges and tortured (depending on your definitions of torture) for what, 4-5 years, before he finally got a trial?
So what is this "innocent until proven guilty" that you speak of?
The democratic leadership wants no part of it.
Do we not remember when the Dems tried to table this bill without debate, and the repubs tried to force debate, only for the Dems to order the previous question and send it to committee to die?
The Democratic leadership wants no part of it.
It would be political suicide in a Presidential election year.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
pabster - you just had to post this to pull chatty cathy's string... didn't you... 😛
Noobtastic
Banned
You really think Obama or Clinton on the throne is going to change this country?
Pah-lease. I can't believe people get so caught up in this nonsense, when it's so simple....XD
Pah-lease. I can't believe people get so caught up in this nonsense, when it's so simple....XD
Lemon law
Lifer
While I don't believe any protection of double immunity is present in the impeachment conviction process, its still a waste of time because the repubs have 33 Senators willing to vote no on conviction. And as it is, they can lock step muster over 40.
Two things can change that present calculus. (1) Better proof and the resulting public revulsion. (2) An upcoming election. After all it was early August 1974 before the GOP deserted Nixon to stop the Watergate bleeding and cut their certain losses.
The other thing to note is that the dems gave the repubs their special prosecutor in Ken Star who was hardly a model of non partisan integrity. And Kenny heard it all and basically found nothing credible enough to file.
Maybe its time for the dems to have their special prosecutor. The repubs can repay the dems now or have get one later once the dems win the Presidency. As I recall pointing out during the Gonzales hearing, the dems, like the Texas rangers, almost always get their man.
Two things can change that present calculus. (1) Better proof and the resulting public revulsion. (2) An upcoming election. After all it was early August 1974 before the GOP deserted Nixon to stop the Watergate bleeding and cut their certain losses.
The other thing to note is that the dems gave the repubs their special prosecutor in Ken Star who was hardly a model of non partisan integrity. And Kenny heard it all and basically found nothing credible enough to file.
Maybe its time for the dems to have their special prosecutor. The repubs can repay the dems now or have get one later once the dems win the Presidency. As I recall pointing out during the Gonzales hearing, the dems, like the Texas rangers, almost always get their man.
Lemon law
Lifer
There is no per say crime for launching a jahadi movement against the soviets, the criminal culiple negligence was Reagan's in not following up and helping build a US friendly
Afghanistan. And only that latter failure resulted in Al-Quida, the taliban, and 911.
Its also the difference between competence and incompetence. They can start at the same point and end up at vastly different results.
Afghanistan. And only that latter failure resulted in Al-Quida, the taliban, and 911.
Its also the difference between competence and incompetence. They can start at the same point and end up at vastly different results.
blackangst1
Lifer
lol
The REAL difference lies in the multi-year, 40 Million dollar effort to find something, anything to discredit Clinton.
Give us 40 Million dollars, several years, and full, unquestioned subpoena power into Bush's affairs... hell, maybe we can even come up with his missing Texas driving record!
Noobtastic
Banned
I know about the AIPAC, but after researching Brzekinski all I could find was he is currently sponsoring Obama, not participating in his campaign.
edit: And while he is in with AIPAC, Obama has ties to CAIR.
What's so bad about AIPAC anyways??
OMFGWTFBBQ -- He's back to the same tired old Clinton did it dodge. :shocked:
Get over your lying, prevaricating, dissembling distracting self. If you think Clinton should be prosecuted for some charges he hasn't already faced, write your representatives in Congress. Whatever you think about Clinton, it has nothing to do with any of the Bushwhackos' crimes I cited WITH LINKS TO PROOF. Their crimes are theirs, alone, and they should be held to answer for them.
As I said to Pabster, continuing to lie and deny the Bushwhackos' crimes despite all the documented evidence against them means either you're one of the lying murderers and traitors, or you're functionally brain dead. Which is it? :roll:
Perhaps, Harvey, the real comparison here between 42 and 43 is that both were accused of a laundry list of crimes...yet found guilty of little or nothing. In the end, how many tens (hundreds?) of millions of taxpayer dollars have been - and will be - wasted on partisan witch hints and fishing expeditions?
ProfJohn
Lifer
Strangely it wasn't the 40 million dollar investigation into White Water that did Clinton in though; it was his own libido and inability to tell the truth about his cheating ways.
Had Clinton came out and admitted to the Monica affair when it first hit the press we would have been spared the whole impeachment process. Although it is questionable as to whether he would have survived calls to resign at that point.
The difference between Clinton and Bush is that all you have against Bush is a bunch of accusations that have no real factual basis while we know for a fact what Clinton did wrong, he admitted to it.
The Democratic congress has had the chance to address half the stuff you guys complain about with Bush and they haven?t done anything about it. Didn?t congress recently pass a wire tap bill that legalized a bunch of the things Bush had already been doing?
As for the war, you don?t impeach the president for making policy mistakes. Otherwise we would be impeaching every president from here to eternity, or we would have a bunch of people in office who were afraid to make and difficult decisions for fear of impeachment.
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