George Bush (senior) and the American Atheist

[Pastore]

George H.W. Bush, as Presidential Nominee for the Republican party; 1987-AUG-27: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."

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I had not heard of that speech before and it kind of caught me off guard. What do you think about it?

 

[0roo0roo]

hmm

 

[Anubis]

i think it sucks. Im an athiest and im a citizen and if anyone has a problim with that they can take it up with me personally 😀

 

[minus1972]

I'm not happy about that....wonder if George # 2 feels the same way.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: TheEvil1
i think it sucks. Im an athiest and im a citizen and if anyone has a problim with that they can take it up with me personally

OK!

 

[0roo0roo]

just imagine if he had said that about another religion, say the jews, or catholics. bah.

 

[gopunk]

never heard of that, but i don't care. he's not the president anymore.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: minus1972
I'm not happy about that....wonder if George # 2 feels the same way.

Doubt it. He probably doesn't know what an Atheist is.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: minus1972
I'm not happy about that....wonder if George # 2 feels the same way.

Doubt it. He probably doesn't know what an Atheist is.

He thinks it's a form of Martial Arts 😛

 

[TheBDB]

I'm sure there's a lot of people that agree with him. At least he didn't try to enforce his view with a law or something.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm sure there's a lot of people that agree with him. At least he didn't try to enforce his view with a law or something.

I'm sure there's a lot of people that agree with Trent Lott too.

 

[Orsorum]

But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

 

[JellyBaby]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

The native inhabitants of North America certainly agree with ya.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

We may have been founded on Christian ideals, but ideals are dynamic. If modern man lived how his ancsestors did would be little progress, and then we would really be no better off than an animal.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

Originally posted by: Zakath15
But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

The native inhabitants of North America certainly agree with ya.

😉 😛

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zakath15
But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

We may have been founded on Christian ideals, but ideals are dynamic. If modern man lived how his ancsestors did would be little progress, and then we would really be no better off than an animal.

One could say the same for religious principles and practices... I ask you, is a religion that bases itself on Pagan principles progressive, at all?

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zakath15
But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

We may have been founded on Christian ideals, but ideals are dynamic. If modern man lived how his ancsestors did would be little progress, and then we would really be no better off than an animal.

One could say the same for religious principles and practices... I ask you, is a religion that bases itself on Pagan principles progressive, at all?

By pagan do you mean pre judeo-christian/non judeo-christian ( as some like to believe), or do you mean polytheistic, or do you mean those that are hedonistic?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zakath15
But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

We may have been founded on Christian ideals, but ideals are dynamic. If modern man lived how his ancsestors did would be little progress, and then we would really be no better off than an animal.

One could say the same for religious principles and practices... I ask you, is a religion that bases itself on Pagan principles progressive, at all?

By pagan do you mean pre judeo-christian/non judeo-christian ( as some like to believe), or do you mean polytheistic, or do you mean those that are hedonistic?

Well, first off, Judaism and Christianity have strong roots in polytheism. Second, Christianity is inherently a pagan religion.

Think about it.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zakath15
But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

We may have been founded on Christian ideals, but ideals are dynamic. If modern man lived how his ancsestors did would be little progress, and then we would really be no better off than an animal.

One could say the same for religious principles and practices... I ask you, is a religion that bases itself on Pagan principles progressive, at all?

By pagan do you mean pre judeo-christian/non judeo-christian ( as some like to believe), or do you mean polytheistic, or do you mean those that are hedonistic?

Well, first off, Judaism and Christianity have strong roots in polytheism. Second, Christianity is inherently a pagan religion.

Think about it.

Islam would be too actually because Islam is very similar to Judeo-Chsitianity supposedly. Supposedly the romans and greeks were polytheistic but honestly i guess i dont' know enough about christianity to say it was rooted in polytheism.

 

[Darein]

I think atheists are people too. I know I am a person. This country is about religious freedom, which includes the ability to worship or not worship freely.

 

[crobusa]

But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

Most people would reply with the
Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 from 1796 reads:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

I think the latter part about war or acts of hostility with muslem countries needs to be amended a tad, but the rest sounds true.

 

[Draknor]

Christian? I don't think so... if anything, most of the patriots were deistic, IIRC, not necessarily Christian. Although I don't remember the details, my understanding is that deism is much more of a "hands-off" religion, and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: crobusa

But... America was founded on Christian ideals... and, as every one knows, the ideals of the American nation only belong to Christians... everyone else are just heathens...

Most people would reply with the
Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 from 1796 reads:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

I think the latter part about war or acts of hostility with muslem countries needs to be amended a tad, but the rest sounds true.

no thats more to say that we're not crusading.

 

[tcsenter]

Most people would reply with the Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 from 1796 reads: "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen..."

Well that would be well and all, except that subsequent treaties with Tripoli make an allusion to God and the Trinity, in addition to other treaties signed around the same time such as those with Great Britain and Russia, both Christian nations at the time.

The reality is that we 'tailored' our treaty languages to the misgivings or reservations of the country with whom we desired to enter a treaty. So if it were a Muslim country, as was the case with the Treaty of Tripoli, we might throw in some sentiment as a 'deal maker' to ensure that there were no barriers or objections. If it were a Christian country, we might and did throw in a little Christian sentiment about God or 'The Year of Our Lord Thy God' or whatever, to 'resonate' with the culture and or society we were dealing with, whether or not it in fact accurately represented our own religious sentiment.

 

[Kadarin]

Regarding whether Dubya feels the same way as his father, I'd guess probably not, unless his advisers have recently told him he should feel that way.

Regarding worship: There's a tendency among those entrenched in power to encourage or at least tolerate all forms of Christianity, but regardless of the Judeo-Christian faith you practice, you MUST worship. For we are a society of good, hard working, God-fearing men and women, right? Right?