George Bush is a Triumphant Success!

[KK]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Three Cheers for President Bush:

Cheer 1) Best economy in 20 years!!

Cheer 2) Winning the War on Terror!

Cheer 3) Iraq Liberated, Saddam Captured!

:beer:

On the flipside you have

1. Greatest act of Terrorism on our soil

2. 2.3 Million jobs lost

3. 500 billion dollar debt

About the 2.3 million jobs lost you are talking about. What about the jobs created? If you look at the statistics at bls.gov you'll finds that when Bush took office there were less jobs than there is now. So, yeah, you may be right that there where 2.3 million jobs lost, but there were also 3+ million jobs created. See that is what is so damn screwed up with the democrats, y'all follow the pack saying the same damn crap, not to realize that what you are saying is incomplete and misleading. That's what the democrats are looking for in their voters, dumb people.

KK

hmm... let's see...

White-collar jobs moving abroad, McJobs coming right back. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

And not to mention that there hasn't been net job creation. his numbers are wrong see. Looks like He (KKK) is the dumb one.

Hey, did you even go to bls.gov? If you did then you'd see you are the misinformed one. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That website you post talked about manufacturing jobs. Well, it could very well be that those jobs fell, but overall there are more jobs today than three years ago. Try taking you info from a site not so left slanted.

KK

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
hmm... let's see...

White-collar jobs moving abroad, McJobs coming right back. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

And not to mention that there hasn't been net job creation. his numbers are wrong see. Looks like He (KKK) is the dumb one.

Hey, did you even go to bls.gov? If you did then you'd see you are the misinformed one. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That website you post talked about manufacturing jobs. Well, it could very well be that those jobs fell, but overall there are more jobs today than three years ago. Try taking you info from a site not so left slanted.

KK[/quote]
Would you care to show us exactly where you are getting your numbers? Here's what I just found on BLS:

Total jobs when Bush took office (1/2001): 132,436,000
Total jobs December 2003: 130,198,000

Total jobs lost: 2,238,000

This was total non-farm seasonally adjusted, the first table on the page.


(Look for the link under "Benchmark Information", under the heading "Benchmark Article", the top bullet labled "All employees, seasonally adjusted". The direct link to the table is ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.compaes.txt . When I try to embed it as a link, AT insists on prepending an " http : // " Sorry)


Edit: tried to fix link, added info above

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Three Cheers for President Bush:

Cheer 1) Best economy in 20 years!!

Cheer 2) Winning the War on Terror!

Cheer 3) Iraq Liberated, Saddam Captured!

:beer:

On the flipside you have

1. Greatest act of Terrorism on our soil

2. 2.3 Million jobs lost

3. 500 billion dollar debt

About the 2.3 million jobs lost you are talking about. What about the jobs created? If you look at the statistics at bls.gov you'll finds that when Bush took office there were less jobs than there is now. So, yeah, you may be right that there where 2.3 million jobs lost, but there were also 3+ million jobs created. See that is what is so damn screwed up with the democrats, y'all follow the pack saying the same damn crap, not to realize that what you are saying is incomplete and misleading. That's what the democrats are looking for in their voters, dumb people.

KK

hmm... let's see...

White-collar jobs moving abroad, McJobs coming right back. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

And not to mention that there hasn't been net job creation. his numbers are wrong see. Looks like He (KKK) is the dumb one.

lol, youre comparing government job results -vs- a site called job watch?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
And not to mention that there hasn't been net job creation. his numbers are wrong see. Looks like He (KKK) is the dumb one.

lol, youre comparing government job results -vs- a site called job watch?

Best to do your homework before you laugh at someone else. It appears KK was wrong, the BLS numbers show over 2.2 million jobs lost as of 12/2003. I say "appears" only because KK hasn't had a chance to point to a different set of BLS numbers yet.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The economy is recovering because so many people feel better knowing Dean will win.

LOL, starting the drugs early today.

KK

<-cleans Orange Juice off monitor after picking himself up off the floor from laughing.

Sure moonbeam - whatever helps keep your bed dry all night.

CkG

Just practicing what I've learned from YABAs

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
And not to mention that there hasn't been net job creation. his numbers are wrong see. Looks like He (KKK) is the dumb one.

lol, youre comparing government job results -vs- a site called job watch?

Best to do your homework before you laugh at someone else. It appears KK was wrong, the BLS numbers show over 2.2 million jobs lost as of 12/2003. I say "appears" only because KK hasn't had a chance to point to a different set of BLS numbers yet.

Depends on what numbers you look at and how the data is parsed. The % of workforce employed is down from when Bush took over - that much may be true. The rest is in the eye of the parser.

But I do say this - IMO a stubling economy, which is atleast partically due to an overheated sector crashing, is then hit with an act of terror as was witnessed here has alot more to do with this subject than who happens to be behind the wheel. The recession was one of the mildest on record - possibly due to tax-cuts, or possibly because people tried hard to return things to "normal" after the attack. There are alot of "ifs" no matter which way you look at things and who/what you try to pin things on. Do we need more jobs? Sure. Are we seeing job growth? yes. Does the outlook look good? Yes it does. If people want to vote against Bush because there was a rate in employment drop - fine, it's their right. I just find it interesting that alot of people here like to point fingers without knowing what is behind these so-called "facts".

Moonbeam - Sure - whatever you say. I sure hope you really didn't mean it when you typed it.

CkG

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Three Cheers for President Bush:

Cheer 1) Best economy in 20 years!!

Cheer 2) Winning the War on Terror!

Cheer 3) Iraq Liberated, Saddam Captured!

:beer:

hahaha, you've obviously been "cheering" too much... now put down the bottle.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The economy is recovering because so many people feel better knowing Dean will win.

You're on a roll Moonie

November can't get here fast enough.

Have to sit through one incessant Commercial after another of CAD-like rhetoric that the Economy is booming like never before and Bush is the reason with those better than sliced bread Tax cuts for the rich

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Three Cheers for President Bush:

Cheer 1) Best economy in 20 years!!

Cheer 2) Winning the War on Terror!

Cheer 3) Iraq Liberated, Saddam Captured!

:beer:

On the flipside you have

1. Greatest act of Terrorism on our soil

2. 2.3 Million jobs lost

3. 500 billion dollar debt

About the 2.3 million jobs lost you are talking about. What about the jobs created? If you look at the statistics at bls.gov you'll finds that when Bush took office there were less jobs than there is now. So, yeah, you may be right that there where 2.3 million jobs lost, but there were also 3+ million jobs created. See that is what is so damn screwed up with the democrats, y'all follow the pack saying the same damn crap, not to realize that what you are saying is incomplete and misleading. That's what the democrats are looking for in their voters, dumb people.

KK

hmm... let's see...

White-collar jobs moving abroad, McJobs coming right back. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

And not to mention that there hasn't been net job creation. his numbers are wrong see. Looks like He (KKK) is the dumb one.

Hey, did you even go to bls.gov? If you did then you'd see you are the misinformed one. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That website you post talked about manufacturing jobs. Well, it could very well be that those jobs fell, but overall there are more jobs today than three years ago. Try taking you info from a site not so left slanted.

KK

"there are more jobs today than three years ago. "

and you say Moonie is on Drugs?

 

[Ultima]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Three Cheers for President Bush:

Cheer 1) Best economy in 20 years!!

Cheer 2) Winning the War on Terror!

Cheer 3) Iraq Liberated, Saddam Captured!

:beer:

One for each post.

 

[Ultima]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Three Cheers for President Bush:

Cheer 1) Best economy in 20 years!!

Cheer 2) Winning the War on Terror!

Cheer 3) Iraq Liberated, Saddam Captured!

:beer:

On the flipside you have

1. Greatest act of Terrorism on our soil

2. 2.3 Million jobs lost

3. 500 billion dollar debt

About the 2.3 million jobs lost you are talking about. What about the jobs created? If you look at the statistics at bls.gov you'll finds that when Bush took office there were less jobs than there is now. So, yeah, you may be right that there where 2.3 million jobs lost, but there were also 3+ million jobs created. See that is what is so damn screwed up with the democrats, y'all follow the pack saying the same damn crap, not to realize that what you are saying is incomplete and misleading. That's what the democrats are looking for in their voters, dumb people.

KK

Yeah, let's create tens of thousands of jobs at McDonalds and Walmart, that's showing real job growth!

 

[Jhhnn]

Lots of ways of trying to explain what's going on with the economy, and I think this article does a good job of revealing the finer points-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26303-2003Dec23.html

As does this simple graph-

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots

Trickle down doesn't really work very well, nor is it supposed to, it's just supposed to sell, and it still does. Amazing.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

And not to mention that there hasn't been net job creation. his numbers are wrong see. Looks like He (KKK) is the dumb one.

Hey, did you even go to bls.gov? If you did then you'd see you are the misinformed one. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That website you post talked about manufacturing jobs. Well, it could very well be that those jobs fell, but overall there are more jobs today than three years ago. Try taking you info from a site not so left slanted.

KK

Would you care to show us exactly where you are getting your numbers? Here's what I just found on BLS:

Total jobs when Bush took office (1/2001): 132,436,000
Total jobs December 2003: 130,198,000

Total jobs lost: 2,238,000

This was total non-farm seasonally adjusted, the first table on the page.


(Look for the link under "Benchmark Information", under the heading "Benchmark Article", the top bullet labled "All employees, seasonally adjusted". The direct link to the table is ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.compaes.txt . When I try to embed it as a link, AT insists on prepending an " http : // " Sorry)


Edit: tried to fix link, added info above

I see where you are pulling your numbers from. I was looking at Civilian Employment (Seasonally Adjusted) Table LNS12000000. Which from the main page you click on "Get Detailed Statistics" up on top. Then click on Most Requested BLS Statastics.

From the LNS12000000 you should see that there were 137846000 employed in Jan. 2001 and 138603000 in Nov. 2003. Net gain of around 3/4 million. So I guess the argument now here is non-farm vs. farm. Which by doing the math if there were 2.238 million loss in non farm jobs and the total jobs numbers gained around 3/4 million. Then does this mean that there are 3 million more farm workers today than Jan 2001? I thought all these farms were closing down.

KK

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The economy is recovering because so many people feel better knowing Dean will win.

You're on a roll Moonie

November can't get here fast enough.

Have to sit through one incessant Commercial after another of CAD-like rhetoric that the Economy is booming like never before and Bush is the reason with those better than sliced bread Tax cuts for the rich

funny, neither myself, my family, nor my friends are 'rich' yet we all got tax cuts.

at least those of us that [A] work paid taxes AND [C] werent claimed under the child tax credit.

tax cuts arent just for the rich buddy, theyre for all of us that pay taxes.

 

[glugglug]

Yeah, he sure has done a lot!

 

[Genesys]

taken from the article posted by glugglug:

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

actually they've done a good job of that by themselves and needed no help from the Pres.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

the environmental wackos had nothing to do with this?

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

...so? if the prisoner is marked for death...what else are you supposed to do?

I replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.

and this falls on Bushs shoulders and not the citys managers why?

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

and this has relevance to any form of political argument how?

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

I would give this 'award' to Clinton for his ever prosperous 'tech bubble'

My Biggest move Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

??

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government

wtf are they talking about here?

I failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

wouldnt it be better to word this 'has not fulfilled' or 'isnt making good'


im not even sure why i still acknowledge Bush Bashers and their unfounded/stupid/lame arguments.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Genesys
taken from the article posted by glugglug:

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

actually they've done a good job of that by themselves and needed no help from the Pres.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

the environmental wackos had nothing to do with this?

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

...so? if the prisoner is marked for death...what else are you supposed to do?

I replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.

and this falls on Bushs shoulders and not the citys managers why?

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

and this has relevance to any form of political argument how?

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

I would give this 'award' to Clinton for his ever prosperous 'tech bubble'

My Biggest move Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

??

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government

wtf are they talking about here?

I failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

wouldnt it be better to word this 'has not fulfilled' or 'isnt making good'


im not even sure why i still acknowledge Bush Bashers and their unfounded/stupid/lame arguments.

It's like they are grasping for anything they can find. I'm sure within the next couple of weeks, we'll find out that bush and his buddies conspired to let mad cow disease out in Washington State so Texans could sell their beef for more.

KK

 

[Ultima]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Yeah, he sure has done a lot!

There are a lot of serious charges in there. Anyone care to tell me how many of these are unfounded or are they really true? :Q

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I was AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Hmm.. so maybe the other dude who was providing evidence that Bush is the antichrist has some merit?
:disgust:

 

[Gaard]

I was AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.

Has this ever been adequately answered? Why isn't it in the media more? Isn't AWOL/desertion a treasonous offense?

 

[chess9]

Gaard:

Not if your daddy is George H. Bush.

We have rules for us ONLY. Their only rule is THEY RULE.

-Robert

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Yeah, he sure has done a lot!

Whover put this website together apparently doesn't know Baseball very well, Sammy went to the Chicago Cubs not the White Sox.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ultima

Originally posted by: glugglug
Yeah, he sure has done a lot!

There are a lot of serious charges in there. Anyone care to tell me how many of these are unfounded or are they really true? :Q

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I was AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Hmm.. so maybe the other dude who was providing evidence that Bush is the antichrist has some merit?
:disgust:

and with this ever growing list the Bush Loyalist's still think he will get re-elected.

 

[FelixDeCat]

>and with this ever growing list the Bush Loyalist's still think he will get re-elected.

Gore lost. Get over it. Bush is 'da man baby! See the OP for more info.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I was AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.

Has this ever been adequately answered? Why isn't it in the media more? Isn't AWOL/desertion a treasonous offense?

Why is the fact that WMDs were declared to be in place, of which we knew type and location, were never found, and that there is currently no investigation of this claim which was the primary, indeed the sole, reason why the public bought on? This war became about liberation AFTER Bush and Co were to have been found with no clothes.

Oh, AWOL...

The penalty depends on context. If he had deserted in battle, he could be shot. Since he was not in an active battle, and had a powerful father, nothing came of it.

 

[Gaard]

But it's still a crime, right? As far as I know, the president isn't exempt from the laws of the country. There must've been an accepted answer given I would think, else the Ds would be all over this still. I was just wondering what that answer was.