NuclearFusi0n
Diamond Member
Duke it out, ya linux junkies. (I'm slowly becoming one. 🙁)
P.S. Gentoo > *
Systems <~1.4 GHz and/or 56k connected need not apply.
P.S. Gentoo > *
Systems <~1.4 GHz and/or 56k connected need not apply.
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Gentoo vs. Debian - The Battle of the Gods
- Thread starter NuclearFusi0n
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I like Debian because it is relatively lightweight with a default install (unlike Redhat and Mandrake and others), and because the package management system is as fast as you could hope a package management system could be on a dialup connection. :Q
Some day, I'll probably get around to trying Gentoo (once I get my quad Opteron built 😉); then I'll probably have to admit that I like both of them (things I've heard about Gentoo sound very good as well, though it has its disadvantages). 😱
Some day, I'll probably get around to trying Gentoo (once I get my quad Opteron built 😉); then I'll probably have to admit that I like both of them (things I've heard about Gentoo sound very good as well, though it has its disadvantages). 😱
Depends, I like both of them(what a concept, eh? 😉).
They both have pros and cons, but as BBWF said in some other thread, the Gentoo fans who keep screaming about how fast everything is cause you use march=i686, etc etc, are very annoying, that's NOT the right reason to use Gentoo.
Things like USE flags, the speed of updates in Portage, the excellent system maintenance utils, etc, are.
Not to mention the VERY friendly community.
Things to love about Debian are of course it's focus on quality and stability, the amount of apps in the regular APT sources, and it's availability on a great number of platforms.
Things to hate about it, well the huge number of elitist assholes who use it, and the sometime very slow pace of updates in the APT tree.
Oh and by the way, how about an option along the lines of "I like both in different ways" for the poll?
Of course I didn't think about that until after voting, so I gave my vote to the "Results" choice 🙂
They both have pros and cons, but as BBWF said in some other thread, the Gentoo fans who keep screaming about how fast everything is cause you use march=i686, etc etc, are very annoying, that's NOT the right reason to use Gentoo.
Things like USE flags, the speed of updates in Portage, the excellent system maintenance utils, etc, are.
Not to mention the VERY friendly community.
Things to love about Debian are of course it's focus on quality and stability, the amount of apps in the regular APT sources, and it's availability on a great number of platforms.
Things to hate about it, well the huge number of elitist assholes who use it, and the sometime very slow pace of updates in the APT tree.
Oh and by the way, how about an option along the lines of "I like both in different ways" for the poll?
Of course I didn't think about that until after voting, so I gave my vote to the "Results" choice 🙂
NuclearFusi0n
Diamond Member
Portage, baby, Portage. 😎
Barnaby W. Füi
Elite Member
I am running dual 1.3's...
They both have advantages, neither is better, opinions are like assholes, they all stink, blah blah BLAH. I'm really sick of stupid, pointless debates.
They both have advantages, neither is better, opinions are like assholes, they all stink, blah blah BLAH. I'm really sick of stupid, pointless debates.
NuclearFusi0n
Diamond Member
You're in like -fomit-frame-pointer in my CFLAGS. 😎
Barnaby W. Füi
Elite Member
I guess helping debug things is overrated anyways 😉
I've used both. I run gentoo on my desktop currently. They both have lightweight default installations. I prefer gentoo over debian currently. People always bitch and moan about having to compile everything with gentoo, but it takes me less than 24 hours to build a fully functional system with X, gnome, openoffice, xmms, xchat, mozilla.
I personally prefer Gentoo for my home PC, but Debian would still be my choice at work. The stability combined with the well-tested packages just is much better for something that I have to depend on.
Gentoo's instability is greatly exagerated sometimes. People will make Gentoo unstable by using the more experimental features from GCC to trim down and speed up the code as much as possible. They will have strings of modifiers 3 lines long trying to tweak the snot out of everything in a half-hazard way. The sort of thing is that "A" is good, and "B" is good then logicly both "A" and "B" is best!! While were at it lets throw in "C", "D", "E" and "F" in at the same time. That will make it super-fast...
I don't do that, I just make everything so that it is tailored to my proccessor, and not backward compatable to earlier versions. It seems to make a nice difference. Plus I can make sure that programs I compile will utilize the extra stuff like the MMX and SSE-type instructions (and other little things like that) if they support that. In debian I suppose they wouldn't do stuff like that because it will break backward compatability.
If I want everything to work with ARTSD (that support it in the ./configure) I can make sure of that. If I don't want that I can elimate that support and maybe try Alsa out instead of OSS. That way I can trim down file sizes on somethings and speed things along.
It's not like its a big deal or anything, but little things can add up. Plus since I am always monkeying around with my PC and changing stuff, portage realy facitates the changes and keeps track of it.
Debian on the other hand...
I like Debian, because they are so hardcore about free software. I know that I can put that in a school or in a business and do what I want to it and I know I am not going to utilitize shareware-type stuff. I can be sure that I am not going to be stepping on anyones toes if I select do not use non-free software. Gentoo on the other hand plays kinda willy-nilly with the software liscencing. Like including Nvidia network modules that are specificly not be redistributed by anyone other then Nvidia (about 75% sure about that). It's not like Nvidia is going to give a damn if it sells a few motherboards (it's not like they are video drivers), but I can see many Linux distros getting burned for this sort of thing in the future if used in a commercial fasion.
Free software is important and the fact that Debian people take it so seriously is a big plus. It's not like everybody needs to be that hardcore about it, but you need to have some standard to point to, to show how the ideal Linux distro should behave.
Compatability and uniformity is also a plus. I know that from machine to machine, I will be using the same generation of programs and the same options. I'd rather spend a little bit extra on more high-performance hardware then have to worry about breaking a script or having to spend time to deal with inconsitincies between machines by trying to eak the maximum amount of performance out of them. My time is worth more then the computer's.
Gentoo's instability is greatly exagerated sometimes. People will make Gentoo unstable by using the more experimental features from GCC to trim down and speed up the code as much as possible. They will have strings of modifiers 3 lines long trying to tweak the snot out of everything in a half-hazard way. The sort of thing is that "A" is good, and "B" is good then logicly both "A" and "B" is best!! While were at it lets throw in "C", "D", "E" and "F" in at the same time. That will make it super-fast...
I don't do that, I just make everything so that it is tailored to my proccessor, and not backward compatable to earlier versions. It seems to make a nice difference. Plus I can make sure that programs I compile will utilize the extra stuff like the MMX and SSE-type instructions (and other little things like that) if they support that. In debian I suppose they wouldn't do stuff like that because it will break backward compatability.
If I want everything to work with ARTSD (that support it in the ./configure) I can make sure of that. If I don't want that I can elimate that support and maybe try Alsa out instead of OSS. That way I can trim down file sizes on somethings and speed things along.
It's not like its a big deal or anything, but little things can add up. Plus since I am always monkeying around with my PC and changing stuff, portage realy facitates the changes and keeps track of it.
Debian on the other hand...
I like Debian, because they are so hardcore about free software. I know that I can put that in a school or in a business and do what I want to it and I know I am not going to utilitize shareware-type stuff. I can be sure that I am not going to be stepping on anyones toes if I select do not use non-free software. Gentoo on the other hand plays kinda willy-nilly with the software liscencing. Like including Nvidia network modules that are specificly not be redistributed by anyone other then Nvidia (about 75% sure about that). It's not like Nvidia is going to give a damn if it sells a few motherboards (it's not like they are video drivers), but I can see many Linux distros getting burned for this sort of thing in the future if used in a commercial fasion.
Free software is important and the fact that Debian people take it so seriously is a big plus. It's not like everybody needs to be that hardcore about it, but you need to have some standard to point to, to show how the ideal Linux distro should behave.
Compatability and uniformity is also a plus. I know that from machine to machine, I will be using the same generation of programs and the same options. I'd rather spend a little bit extra on more high-performance hardware then have to worry about breaking a script or having to spend time to deal with inconsitincies between machines by trying to eak the maximum amount of performance out of them. My time is worth more then the computer's.
Do you have some hard numbers on the speed increase? I'd like to see an application that gives you a 5% increase in performance, because anything less than 5% (unless we are talking *HUGE* applications that are accessed more times per second than blink all day) probably isn't worth it.
Barnaby W. Füi
Elite Member
They say that a 10% difference is usually what it takes to be "noticeable."
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