Genocide in Congo is allowed to continue

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor
No, we have an obligation to Israel to ensure it's safety and dominance in the region.

No we don't.

If we don't continue to arm them with the latest in cluster bomb technology, do you have any idea what the ramifications would be? Ever since they started using cluster bombs, Palestinian children's rock throwing at Israeli tanks has declined to almost ZERO. Why? Simple preemptive strike logic: Palestinian kids generally don't have all their arms and legs anymore.

Israel is as important to me as New Hampshire, it's part of us, part of our culture. The Israelites are our people as sure as we are theirs.

Seek medical help.

 

[Vonkhan]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor
No, we have an obligation to Israel to ensure it's safety and dominance in the region.

No we don't.

If we don't continue to arm them with the latest in cluster bomb technology, do you have any idea what the ramifications would be? Ever since they started using cluster bombs, Palestinian children's rock throwing at Israeli tanks has declined to almost ZERO. Why? Simple preemptive strike logic: Palestinian kids generally don't have all their arms and legs anymore.

Israel is as important to me as New Hampshire, it's part of us, part of our culture. The Israelites are our people as sure as we are theirs.

the f*** you been smokin?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Atreus21
This is a horrible topic for me to bring this up in, but I can't help but wonder.

Suppose we did intervene in Congo. If the conflict took five years and thousands of American lives, would the peace activists be protesting an "unjust war?" After all, Congo never did anything to us.

The people saying we should do something are the people who will be the first ones to complain if we actual do.

Yep.

(And I see Nebor is at it again. )

Fern

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe
China runs the show there and they won't allow us to intervene via the UN.

Our only other option is to just send in the Marines, unfortunately we don't have any to send.

Well, also consider that Americans aren't interested in helping Africa. Let them rot.

If only they had oil, then we might be interested.

That place is to fucked up to get oil from. The middle east is messed up, but who the hell is going to work pumping oil in a place where rape gangs running around chopping limbs off everyone? Do they even have running water?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Atreus21
This is a horrible topic for me to bring this up in, but I can't help but wonder.

Suppose we did intervene in Congo. If the conflict took five years and thousands of American lives, would the peace activists be protesting an "unjust war?" After all, Congo never did anything to us.

Who knows. I am not even sure anybody would know where to start. I think that stabilizing regions full of boy soldiers would make Iraq look like a cake walk. These countries have no inherent wealth, no education, no infrastructure, they have nothing. Where to begin? As I mentioned earlier in the thread, some of what these fighters do would make a beheading super-crazy terrorist look sane by comparison.

I agree. We covered a subject like this in my macroeconomics class. From an economic standpoint, you can't simply walk in and establish a market environment. At the most basic level, there's no private property rights, and no ability for the government for enforce them. Corruption and bribery are ways of life for the politicians.

So what do you do? Roll in and completely lock down the country for the 100 years it takes to remake the underlying infrastructure into one that can sustain itself?

Frankly, that seems like the only lasting solution. Either you conquer the place, or you half-ass it. Otherwise, they'll just revert to the chaos and violence they've been using.

That is the only thing we can do to fix it. And since we'd be "imperilists" and be blamed for all the countries problems thereafter (even though it'd probably be a thousand times better then its current state) why bother? Its not like we have a shortage of our own problems, even if they do pale in comparison. Let the stupid UN do it. Isn't that what that impotent organization is suppose to be in charge of? Or we can rent them some of our bombers for a reasonable rate. We've got a lot of debt to pay off you know?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe
China runs the show there and they won't allow us to intervene via the UN.

Our only other option is to just send in the Marines, unfortunately we don't have any to send.

Well, also consider that Americans aren't interested in helping Africa. Let them rot.

If only they had oil, then we might be interested.

They do have oil. Google is your friend.

Fern

 

[Atreus21]

If only life were like a Rambo movie, there would be a simple solution to this.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
If only life were like a Rambo movie, there would be a simple solution to this.

There is a simple solution, China could stop this tomorrow if they wanted to.

Wonder what their BFF's think of their mosque demolishing tactics of late.

 

[marincounty]

Congo needs to develop a WMD program, then we will spend trillions to save them.

 

[CanOWorms]

This is Belgium's gift to the world. They are so generous... :frown:

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe
China runs the show there and they won't allow us to intervene via the UN.

Our only other option is to just send in the Marines, unfortunately we don't have any to send.

Well, also consider that Americans aren't interested in helping Africa. Let them rot.

If only they had oil, then we might be interested.

Woot, not only a necro but also an ignorant and incorrect one.

Hey Dufus....

#1 What about the quality of the oil? How hard is it to get out? How long would it take to get it? 10-20 years? Canada has a lot of oil too probably in the same situation.

#2 The pipe lines and wells (infrastructure isn't there) like in Iraq and Iran. And it's ripe for the plucking NOW...

I suppose once the ME oil runs out then maybe we can go bomb Congo and rape it's resources like we are doing in Iraq.

There feel better now? I know ya do....

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
This is Belgium's gift to the world. They are so generous... :frown:

I was reading about the Congo Free State a little while ago, it was, well, impressive. How you can completely ruin a country so significantly where severed hands are used as currency, then you know you've achieved something special.