'Genocide' Awareness Project at UNC = pics of abortions!

[UNCjigga]

Guys and gals, there are some totally disgusting pictures on display in the UNC quad. I was walkin to class this morning when I noticed some really nasty billboard-size pictures on display in the quad. The title above them said "Genocide Awareness Project". At first I thought they were pictures from Kosovo or Rwanda, but on closer inspection I saw that they were aborted fetuses!!! These pictures were huge too--like you can see them clearly standing a football-field length away. I was totally appalled and couldn't really concentrate in class after that.

Now I'm more of a pro-choicer, and I understand that these pictures are supposed to make me feel guilty--but I just got angry instead!! How effective are these shock tactics???

Pro-lifers out there--do you agree with these shock tactics? Do you have no compassion for women who are pregnant but really have no other viable option next to abortion?

 

[vi edit]

Since I can be a major prick at times, I would probably chase down some pictures of the clinics that some "pro-lifers" blew up and post them. I would also chase down some pictures of a couple very nasty, overcrowed foster homes and post them.

But that's just me.

 

[iamwiz82]

pro- life people tend to change their minds really quickly when actually confronted by pregnancy.

I have a good idea on how to combat pro-lifers!! Put up pictures of people like Jethro Bodean, Dan Quayle, and Richard Simmons. That will cause people to not have children!

 

[cipher00]

Whoo, boy. Here we go.

Me, I'm pro-choice, but I understand the pro-lifers' viewpoint. What we don't seem to understand is that this is one of those gulf-bridging issues. The two sides, especially those further out on the fringes of both, are simply not going to agree. They see their positions as morally correct and the other one as morally indefensible. That's the difference: it's a question of taking "life". People get pretty emotional about this one, in case you haven't noticed.

 

[iamwiz82]

i am pro-choice, but i dont believe partial birth abortion. Either have an abortion in the first 10-12 weeks, or dont do it.

 

[virusag13]

i am pro - choice, but to the limit of the 2nd trimester at the most! Well things like that dont bother me after seeing an abortion when I was a freshman in highschool, so I suggest just taking a good look at it and desensitizing your self, or find a new way to class.

 

[UNCjigga]

vi_edit: I like your solution!

I also agree with those who are against 3rd trimester abortions. I honestly don't know why Clinton vetoed the ban on 3rd trimester abortions that Congress was ready to pass (I suspect he just took too much money from pro-choice advocates!!!) If I were a women, my ideal form of abortion would be that RU-486 pill. If all abortions were done this way, pro-lifers wouldn't have any pictures to display!

Anyone have any valid arguments FOR 3rd trimester/late term abortions? Under what circumstances could this be permissable?

 

[palad]

Basically, I see it as a matter of choice -- you make your choice when you have sex. I'm not even touching the rape/incest topic. When a grown woman willingly engages in sex, it is inconceivably irresposible to say that she refuses to accept the consequences of it. If I stepped off a cliff, and halfway down decided that I did not want to hit the groud, you would all think I was crazy to demand that it was my right to be put back at the top of the cliff without any bodily injury. The purpose of sex is procreation. To believe you can engage in the cause and avoid the result is unethical.

 

[Elledan]

<< Anyone have any valid arguments FOR 3rd trimester/late term abortions? Under what circumstances could this
be permissable? >>



When it would endanger the life of the mother.

 

[Viper GTS]

Do you have no compassion for women who are pregnant but really have no other viable option next to abortion?

There are always other options. They got pregnant, now it's their responsibility to make sure the baby is delivered healthy. After that they can give it up for adoption.

Viper GTS

 

[ArkAoss]

aaachhhhkkkkk not this again!!! it is kindof overly shocking isn't it? how about this? pictures of the cute smiling adopted 2 yr olds whose mother's didn't get an abortion? that'd support the prolifers better i think.

 

[MisFit]

<< There are always other options. They got pregnant, now it's their responsibility to make sure the baby is delivered healthy. After that they can give it up for adoption. >>


Its attitudes like that, which make me think men should have no say in abortion law. They got pregnant all by themselves ? Its their responsibility ?
Perhaps a pre-sex contract should be considered, if a baby comes from the coupling then the man is equally responsible for its upbringing, for the time spent with it, as well as the money involved in supporting a child.
I am prolife, probably because my chances of getting pregnant are nil, but if I were raped, my ideals would be tested.

 

[Mursilis]

>Pro-lifers out there--do you agree with these shock tactics?

Depends if it is effective at reaching the target audience. Disturbing visual images may turn off some, but they also stick in the mind and make a powerful point. I've also seen disturbing, graphic pictures of Holocaust victims, U.S. blacks beset by lynch mobs, and Chinese residents of Nanking during the Japanese occupation. Very disturbing, but powerful.

>Do you have no compassion for women who are pregnant but really have no other viable option next to abortion?

That's like suggesting people who want to prohibit physical punishment (or at least abusive physical punishment) of minor children have no compassion for the burdens of parents - it's just silly. Being pro-life doesn't mean one hates women, any more than being anti-corporal punishment equates to hating parents.

 

[Viper GTS]

Its attitudes like that, which make me think men should have no say in abortion law. They got pregnant all by themselves ? Its their responsibility ?

I just love having words crammed into my mouth.



Did I say that? No. I'm all for male responsibility when it comes to pregnancy. Sex implies responsibility for both the man and the woman. The woman is responsible for the baby's health, the man is responsible for enabling the woman to do that. Whether that support be financial, or other, the man is obligated to fulfill his responsibility as well.

The easiest solution to this? Keep sex where it's supposed to be, &amp; this would never be a problem.

Viper GTS

 

[MisFit]

<< They got pregnant, now it's their responsibility to make sure the baby is delivered healthy >>


I responded to the text above. It is difficult to interpret 'they got pregnant, now its their responsibility' in any other way, so it had nothing to do with cramming words into your mouth.

Obviously from your reply to my comments, you have different views than the above comment implies.

 

[warcleric]

<< Keep sex where it's supposed to be, &amp; this would never be a problem. >>



Back seat of my car?

 

[Shantanu]

What are you afraid of? People learning the truth. Uh oh, we can't have that can we.

 

[warcleric]

I am pro-life, but do not want to be represented by a bunch of right wing whacko's that use shock-media to try to get their point across. There are more intelligent ways to prove your point.

 

[Electric Amish]

<< Genocide Awareness Project >>

??

Sounds like a bit of an overreaction there...

I think we need to start worrying about over-population way, way , WAY before thinking about removing all human life from the planet(except through nuclear war).

amish

 

[jhu]

i'm pro-death. die, die, die!!!

 

[MajesticMoose]

I like vi's solution, but why don't you inform them of the fact that abortion is not genocide. If it's anything of the sort, it is homocide.

m00se

 

[AaronP]

hey the aborted fetuses are little dead bodies. They are used as shock tactics, but sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Well, I believe in the unborns' right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness as granted under the Constitution. I know people here will say that fetuses are not &quot;alive,&quot; but I beg to differ. It is my position that in the act of reproduction life is always there. Ask yourself, do you believe in the theory of Evolution? Well, if you do, how can you say that the human race evolved from amoeba in the same breath that you say that the fetus is not alive? The fetus is a helluva lot more complex than amoeba. Heck, many fetuses are operated on in the womb.

The solution is just for us guys to keeps our d*cks in our pants and show a little personal restraint.

 

[Viper GTS]

hey the aborted fetuses are little dead bodies. They are used as shock tactics, but sometimes the truth hurts

Exactly. If it weren't anything to be ashamed of you wouldn't find it disgusting.

Viper GTS

 

[GL]

<< Well, if you do, how can you say that the human race evolved from amoeba in the same breath that you say that the fetus is not alive? >>


Nobody's denying that the fetus is not alive. What people argue over is whether that fetus is a person. There are some people that argue that since the brain doesn't develop until the third trimester and it is the brain that really distiniguishes a human being from just other forms of life (i.e. gives us free will, intelligence, etc.) that abortions up until this point in the pregnancy is fine.

Haven't quite made up my mind but this is indeed an argument posed by pro-choicers that are also against some abortion.

Oh, and we didn't evolve from amoebas but that's another story

-GL