Genetics Testing

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piasabird

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Genetics can bring people together or it can also destroy people's lives.

A man recently found out more than he wanted to know after a genetic test provided results. It resulted in the breakup of his family due to the mistakes of the past.

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/9/5975653...i-gave-my-parents-the-gift-of-divorce-23andme

"I don't want to say if I knew that I wouldn't have participated. But I'm really devastated at the outcome. I wrestle with these emotions. I love my family. This is nothing I ever would have wished. My dream would be to introduce Thomas to dad, to incorporate a new family tradition, to merge families. We all get to broaden our horizons and live happily ever after. At least right now, that's not what happened. I still hold out hope that in time we can resolve things. But I also worry that as these transitions happen there may have been some permanent emotional damage that may not be able to be undone.

23andMe's way of protecting people is by giving users the chance to click that box to opt into the relative finder program. I think they're trying to protect people from themselves. They believe in the power of information and of learning about yourself. Some people can't handle the information. Some people don't even know they can't handle it.

When you check that [close relatives] box it should have a bunch of stars and bells and whistles around it. Because there are plenty of people who click boxes. Nobody reads their iTunes agreement. That's how I feel about the family finder thing: you just check all the boxes, just keep doing it, and never put a whole lot of thought into the possibilities."
 

HumblePie

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So the father did a little dallying with someone else and had a git. Seen worse on most day time talk family circus shows like Springer.
 

Moonbeam

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Interesting. A moral obligation to help an adoptee find his family leads to the destruction of the one you know you have. There is nothing like infidelity to demonstrate self hate or cause its manifestation in the ones we cheat on. If I can just have sex with that other person I will be validated. Right! The misery of this world is endless and a huge part of it is there because of our need to fill the hole in our self respect.
 

Genx87

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My dad has a friend who went to some convention and started talking to a guy around his age. Turns out they both share the same name. Both have the first and last name. They talk more and it turns out the father was leading a double life with two families.
 

xBiffx

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Pretty sure this could have been discovered without genetics. Of course, people are assholes so this makes it easier.
 

dank69

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I love how this "stem cell and reproductive biologist" didn't realize that genetic testing was an advanced paternity test until after this happened.
 

OverVolt

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I love how this "stem cell and reproductive biologist" didn't realize that genetic testing was an advanced paternity test until after this happened.

Uh that sounds par for the course really. You'd be surprised what passes as research these days. Science just like banking and education have gone downhill. As a matter of fact i dont understand how people KNOW that the education system is lagging behind other countries in science and engineering and can't connect the dots to modern day research being...subpar.

There are alot of things we should be researching that we aren't researching. Almost all the studies are correlational/statistics based. The last time anything groundbreaking was really discovered was PCR in the 80's.
 
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There are alot of things we should be researching that we aren't researching. Almost all the studies are correlational/statistics based. The last time anything groundbreaking was really discovered was PCR in the 80's.

:rolleyes: You obviously haven't been paying attention.
 

OverVolt

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:rolleyes: You obviously haven't been paying attention.

No really its the most recent de novo breakthrough.

Genetics has been undergoing moore's law in reverse. Its been getting exponentially cheaper to sequence DNA. I've played with a proton ion torrent before. It can sequence the human genome in a day for $1,000.

23andme uses a microarray instead. They have a set number of genes they run on the array and check for expression. Genetics is the newest science field. Stuff like the LHC is the same thing people have been doing on table tops since the 60's except on a larger scale. All it did is confirm what they already knew. Oh wow amazing.

23andme cites correlational studies (oh boy here we go). Gene XYZ in the array is associated with diabetes for instance. They really don't know if its just that one gene, or if its a couple genes interacting, or some environmental factor PLUS that gene, or what. So it comes down to a probability. 23andme has had the pants sued off them a number of times.
 
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No really its the most recent de novo breakthrough.

Genetics has been undergoing moore's law in reverse. Its been getting exponentially cheaper to sequence DNA. I've played with a proton ion torrent before. It can sequence the human genome in a day for $1,000.

23andme uses a microarray instead. They have a set number of genes they run on the array and check for expression. Genetics is the newest science field. Stuff like the LHC is the same thing people have been doing on table tops since the 60's except on a larger scale. All it did is confirm what they already knew. Oh wow amazing.

23andme cites correlational studies (oh boy here we go). Gene XYZ in the array is associated with diabetes for instance. They really don't know if its just that one gene, or if its a couple genes interacting, or some environmental factor PLUS that gene, or what. So it comes down to a probability. 23andme has had the pants sued off them a number of times.

So these don't count in molecular biology's favor? (just to name a few and not really looking at the other sciences it is heavily integrated with)
-whole genome sequencing for ~$1000 (and getting cheaper)
-RNAi for studying expression and as a potential drug
-DNA microarray
-genetic modification of organisms
-phage display

Contrary to popular belief, science doesn't happen in big leaps and bounds. It happens in small steps that builds on itself. Occasionally, someone will come along with something radical and revolutionary. I'm not surprised at the types of studies that have come out with regards to genetics. The human genome project generated tons of data and bioinformatics is still playing catchup in how to best utilize all this data. Simultaneously, new techniques were created in order to sequence the first genome, which have led to further developments in the field. As for 23AndMe using microarray - it's probably an issue of throughput. There is no need to do whole genome sequencing if you can achieve your goals with something cheaper and faster.
 
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Theb

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Sure genetic testing should be blamed for existing, but I would also put some of the blame on the guy that's having unprotected sex behind his wife's back.
 
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