Genesis Coupe hit dealers last week

[lurk3r]

Apparently the Genesis coupe hit the dealers last week, has anyone made it out to actually drive one yet?

It was too miserable here, so I didn't bother leaving the house.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Genesis Couple hit dealers last week . . .

Would that be Adam and Eve? 😉 :laugh:

Car & Driver reviewed sports coupes in its new issue, but left out the Genesis! I thought that was a glaring omission. Anyway, the rankings, top to bottom, were:
370Z
BMW 135
Mz RX8
Solstice

I'd guess that the Genesis would be #2 or #3. (The bimmer is an oddity in that bunch though.)

 

[lurk3r]

I'm debating on one, would no way cross shop it with any of those. The Altima Coupe is about 1k less, accord 4 banger about the same, but the v6 is 4k or so more. 370z I do want to drive too, but it's way pricier.

With the Altima costing alot less, it'll be a hard choice to go hyundai, especially when I factor in the sickening discounts my company gets from Nissan.

 

[angry hampster]

Lurker, the Altima is FWD and the V6 has pretty hellacious torque steer. It won't even compare to the Genesis.

 

[ayabe]

Hmm, I too am puzzled as to why the Genesis coupe wasn't on that comparo, I mean the Solstice is a POS and the Mazda is an old car that's underpowered, returns poor MPG, and is pretty unreliable.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Genesis Couple hit dealers last week . . .

Would that be Adam and Eve? 😉 :laugh:

Car & Driver reviewed sports coupes in its new issue, but left out the Genesis! I thought that was a glaring omission. Anyway, the rankings, top to bottom, were:
370Z
BMW 135
Mz RX8
Solstice

I'd guess that the Genesis would be #2 or #3. (The bimmer is an oddity in that bunch though.)

If the Astra only had a more powerful motor it would give them a run for their money. I'm getting 29+ mpg around town though. 🙂

 

[lurk3r]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Lurker, the Altima is FWD and the V6 has pretty hellacious torque steer. It won't even compare to the Genesis.

Have you actually driven one?

I went on a mission last weekend, the only car anyone had that I was interested in was the loaded V6 Altima Coupe, sticker was ~$31k, so my price would be 26-28. I had the salesman with me, so didn't beat it too hard, but did bark the tires a couple times. Torque steer is nearly not noticeable.

Hyundai didnt have the coupe, honda had no coupes, pontiac had no manuals on the lot. No wonder noone's selling cars.

 

[ElFenix]

one of the sponsor dealers on the 'car guy radio' show called in on feb 28 to say he had them on the lot.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Genesis Couple hit dealers last week . . .

Would that be Adam and Eve? 😉 :laugh:

Car & Driver reviewed sports coupes in its new issue, but left out the Genesis! I thought that was a glaring omission. Anyway, the rankings, top to bottom, were:
370Z
BMW 135
Mz RX8
Solstice

I'd guess that the Genesis would be #2 or #3. (The bimmer is an oddity in that bunch though.)

If the Astra only had a more powerful motor it would give them a run for their money. I'm getting 29+ mpg around town though. 🙂

Yes, because an Astra is a RWD sports car.

 

[Dman877]

Yeah that CD comparo really missed the mark. Would have liked to see the Hyundai plus a few others in it (Evo/STI anyone?).

Too bad the RX8 doesn't have a better engine too. All Mazda has to do is stick the 2.3 liter turbo four they have in there and it would be desirable.

 

[MiataNC]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Yeah that CD comparo really missed the mark. Would have liked to see the Hyundai plus a few others in it (Evo/STI anyone?).

Too bad the RX8 doesn't have a better engine too. All Mazda has to do is stick the 2.3 liter turbo four they have in there and it would be desirable.

The RX-8 has a 50/50 weight distro which would be ruined by dropping in the 2.3L.

It would also cease to be an "RX" without the rotary engine.

A better option would be to slap a turbo on the 13B or update to a 3 rotor design.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: MiataNC

A better option would be to slap a turbo on the 13B or update to a 3 rotor design.

How well can the Renesis hold up to a turbo? The old 13b was crap for reliability with a turbo.

 

[MiataNC]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: MiataNC

A better option would be to slap a turbo on the 13B or update to a 3 rotor design.

How well can the Renesis hold up to a turbo? The old 13b was crap for reliability with a turbo.

Pretty good according to the RX-8 forums. Mapping the ECU seems to be the biggest challenge. I am definitely putting a turbo on mine when finances permit.

 

[sindows]

I saw one and its a lot better looking in person than on the monitor. I'm surprised at how much head room it has considering its a "coupe". Due to height constraints, my head is literally an inch away from the roof of most coupes and going over any bump would result in a slight head injury...

 

[mwmorph]

The Genesis is a GT, its not in the same category as a 370Z, RX8 or 135i. There should be absolutely 0% cross-shopping between a Genesis V6 and 370Z. The somparison of a Genesis to a Altima coupe is actually right on the money as far as the market goes.

As a GT, its a nice car but it would be a horrible sports car.

 

[BigSmooth]

I checked one out at the auto show. Surprisingly nice looking inside and out. It was pretty roomy inside but it's on the larger side of the coupe spectrum. I like that a 6-speed is available, as well.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
The Genesis is a GT, its not in the same category as a 370Z, RX8 or 135i. There should be absolutely 0% cross-shopping between a Genesis V6 and 370Z. The somparison of a Genesis to a Altima coupe is actually right on the money as far as the market goes.

As a GT, its a nice car but it would be a horrible sports car.

Are you seriously thinking that a guy that looks at the Nissan 370Z in the dealership, is not going to even consider the Genesis coupe instead?

For most people, they just see two hatchbacks, both RWD, both V6 both are sporty period.
All this GT mumbo jumbo doesn't mean anything to most buyers that are just looking for something fast. The Altima coupe is a coupe not a hatchback.That makes a big difference when it comes to market segment. This is going straight to the 370Z competition.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: Dman877
Yeah that CD comparo really missed the mark. Would have liked to see the Hyundai plus a few others in it (Evo/STI anyone?).

Too bad the RX8 doesn't have a better engine too. All Mazda has to do is stick the 2.3 liter turbo four they have in there and it would be desirable.

The RX-8 has a 50/50 weight distro which would be ruined by dropping in the 2.3L.

It would also cease to be an "RX" without the rotary engine.

A better option would be to slap a turbo on the 13B or update to a 3 rotor design.

An even better option is to keep RX* reserved to rotary but make an MX-8, which would be the RX-8 with a piston engine.
So consumer can decide between:

RX-8 - Rotary
MX-8 - 2.3L turbo.

I know that if such an MX-8 existed, it would have been in my driveway already, and it would probably kill the RX version off in a hurry. It's a perfect car for me. But I have no interest in owning a rotary powered car. Rotaries are underpowered, inefficient, and oil burning engines. Mazda should stop wasting R&D dollars on those engines, they are hopeless evolutionary dead end. Arguments about handling don't wash with me, because MX-5 has same platform but a piston engine, and it handles just fine.

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: Dman877
Yeah that CD comparo really missed the mark. Would have liked to see the Hyundai plus a few others in it (Evo/STI anyone?).

Too bad the RX8 doesn't have a better engine too. All Mazda has to do is stick the 2.3 liter turbo four they have in there and it would be desirable.

The RX-8 has a 50/50 weight distro which would be ruined by dropping in the 2.3L.

It would also cease to be an "RX" without the rotary engine.

A better option would be to slap a turbo on the 13B or update to a 3 rotor design.

An even better option is to keep RX* reserved to rotary but make an MX-8, which would be the RX-8 with a piston engine.
So consumer can decide between:

RX-8 - Rotary
MX-8 - 2.3L turbo.

I know that if such an MX-8 existed, it would have been in my driveway already, and it would probably kill the RX version off in a hurry. It's a perfect car for me. But I have no interest in owning a rotary powered car. Rotaries are underpowered, inefficient, and oil burning engines. Mazda should stop wasting R&D dollars on those engines, they are hopeless evolutionary dead end. Arguments about handling don't wash with me, because MX-5 has same platform but a piston engine, and it handles just fine.

Agree. They crapped on a great platform with that rotary garbage.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: MiataNC

A better option would be to slap a turbo on the 13B or update to a 3 rotor design.

How well can the Renesis hold up to a turbo? The old 13b was crap for reliability with a turbo.

Pretty good according to the RX-8 forums. Mapping the ECU seems to be the biggest challenge. I am definitely putting a turbo on mine when finances permit.

Really? I heard those motors were pretty crap for reliability even without the turbo, like forget about longevity.

I know that when I was in my dealership a week back they had a very shiney yellow one up on the lift with its entire powertrain on the ground. The guy told me it had sprung an oil leak and the solution for that had to be a replacement engine.

Mazda should stop wasting R&D dollars on those engines, they are hopeless evolutionary dead end.

I think they just do it for PR. No other manufacturer has an interest in rotaries and Mazda only has it in one car, so it's clear that even they don't really believe in it

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mwmorph
The Genesis is a GT, its not in the same category as a 370Z, RX8 or 135i. There should be absolutely 0% cross-shopping between a Genesis V6 and 370Z. The somparison of a Genesis to a Altima coupe is actually right on the money as far as the market goes.

As a GT, its a nice car but it would be a horrible sports car.

Are you seriously thinking that a guy that looks at the Nissan 370Z in the dealership, is not going to even consider the Genesis coupe instead?

For most people, they just see two hatchbacks, both RWD, both V6 both are sporty period.
All this GT mumbo jumbo doesn't mean anything to most buyers that are just looking for something fast. The Altima coupe is a coupe not a hatchback.That makes a big difference when it comes to market segment. This is going straight to the 370Z competition.

Sure, they'll look at it, then they'll drive it and realize how different they are. The 350Z rode harshly, the clutch was hard it was a sports car. The 370Z is just a continuation of that. The Genesis is mush softer, more comfortable, but not nearly as quick nor fast. They're completely different beasts.

 

[ra990]

Wow, so much RX-8 hate here. Pretty obvious you guys haven't driven one!

Love my 8.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mwmorph
The Genesis is a GT, its not in the same category as a 370Z, RX8 or 135i. There should be absolutely 0% cross-shopping between a Genesis V6 and 370Z. The somparison of a Genesis to a Altima coupe is actually right on the money as far as the market goes.

As a GT, its a nice car but it would be a horrible sports car.

Are you seriously thinking that a guy that looks at the Nissan 370Z in the dealership, is not going to even consider the Genesis coupe instead?

For most people, they just see two hatchbacks, both RWD, both V6 both are sporty period.
All this GT mumbo jumbo doesn't mean anything to most buyers that are just looking for something fast. The Altima coupe is a coupe not a hatchback.That makes a big difference when it comes to market segment. This is going straight to the 370Z competition.

Sure, they'll look at it, then they'll drive it and realize how different they are. The 350Z rode harshly, the clutch was hard it was a sports car. The 370Z is just a continuation of that. The Genesis is mush softer, more comfortable, but not nearly as quick nor fast. They're completely different beasts.

Have you driven either car or are you basing your views on what you've read?

 

[Rick James]

Originally posted by: ra990
Wow, so much RX-8 hate here. Pretty obvious you guys haven't driven one!

Love my 8.

The 8 is torqueless. It was a very boring drive for me.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mwmorph
The Genesis is a GT, its not in the same category as a 370Z, RX8 or 135i. There should be absolutely 0% cross-shopping between a Genesis V6 and 370Z. The somparison of a Genesis to a Altima coupe is actually right on the money as far as the market goes.

As a GT, its a nice car but it would be a horrible sports car.

Are you seriously thinking that a guy that looks at the Nissan 370Z in the dealership, is not going to even consider the Genesis coupe instead?

For most people, they just see two hatchbacks, both RWD, both V6 both are sporty period.
All this GT mumbo jumbo doesn't mean anything to most buyers that are just looking for something fast. The Altima coupe is a coupe not a hatchback.That makes a big difference when it comes to market segment. This is going straight to the 370Z competition.

Sure, they'll look at it, then they'll drive it and realize how different they are. The 350Z rode harshly, the clutch was hard it was a sports car. The 370Z is just a continuation of that. The Genesis is mush softer, more comfortable, but not nearly as quick nor fast. They're completely different beasts.

Have you driven either car or are you basing your views on what you've read?

I've driven 5 different 350Zs and 2 370Zs 3 G35 1 G37. Ive been lucky, I used to work at a luxury & toy dealership and I was good friends with the owner so I got to take many different cars home every night, and I can tell you they are completely different beasts. The 3xxZ though sharing platforms and main components with the G3x drive completely differently from each other and considering how the Genesis Coupe is supposed to target the G37 a'la Hyundai marketing materials, not the pure sports cars, comparing them would be disingenuous at best.