General Welfare Clause

[Zebo]

Oh yes that world you embrace.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20027800-281.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

That's where the government plans to create an "internet ID" which will allow them to more easily follow you. It's for the general welfare.

Then there's extraordinary rendition where you can be deprived of your pesky rights given by those dead intellectuals. The government needs to be able to lock you up without charges or access to lawyers. It's for the general welfare.

Of course the government can seize your home because it can make more taxes by allowing a strip mall to be built on your property. It's for the general welfare.

What would the general welfare come to if the government couldn't make you do whatever it wants or seize your assets in the form of taxation. Hey, they can't make you do anything right? You are free to live on the street if it thinks it's for the general welfare.

You can be made a virtual slave and that's only right. After all those dumb bunnies who wrote the Constitution couldn't see how important that is to the general welfare.

Drugs, anti abortion, etc etc etc nice pointing out everyones ox is getting gored by this interpretation on way to police state.

 

[quikah]

Why list enumerated powers and say "to do x" if it means anything? Doesn't even make sense. General welfare explains why these powers are needed not to mean anything they want. If they did all you need is that line Article 1 section 8 period. And Prior to 1936, the United States Supreme Court had imposed this narrow interpretation on the Clause until FDR threatened them with adding his justices to the court. Essentially black mailing the court and changing USA forever illegally IMO since there is a way to get what you want by Amendment process. So yeah I have a problem with it. it's undemocratic and black mail.

Here is an interesting little bit about this clause:

http://books.google.com/books?id=oyFpDS8p33sC&pg=PA302&lpg=PA302#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[Anarchist420]

Vague clauses like the general welfare clause, commerce clause, and necessary and proper clauses are one of many reasons as to why the Constitution needs to be replaced IMO.

 

[matt0611]

Vague clauses like the general welfare clause, commerce clause, and necessary and proper clauses are one of many reasons as to why the Constitution needs to be replaced IMO.

You realize we can amend it right?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Thats such a terrible argument, "they couldn't imagine the world today", that changes nothing. It does matter what the people who wrote the constitution said when theres question about what certain phrases means. It means what it says in the eyes of the time it was written, it does not have a dynamic meaning that changes over time.

If you disagree with something in the Constitution, you don't just interpret it the way you want it thats convenient for you at the time, you change the constitution through its built in amendment process.

Isn't that exactly what I said?

I disagree with you about interpretation however, the document is not set of math equations. Constitutions will always be interpreted as the people who wrote them are rarely around to be quesitoned

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Oh yes that world you embrace.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20027800-281.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

That's where the government plans to create an "internet ID" which will allow them to more easily follow you. It's for the general welfare.

Then there's extraordinary rendition where you can be deprived of your pesky rights given by those dead intellectuals. The government needs to be able to lock you up without charges or access to lawyers. It's for the general welfare.

Of course the government can seize your home because it can make more taxes by allowing a strip mall to be built on your property. It's for the general welfare.

What would the general welfare come to if the government couldn't make you do whatever it wants or seize your assets in the form of taxation. Hey, they can't make you do anything right? You are free to live on the street if it thinks it's for the general welfare.

You can be made a virtual slave and that's only right. After all those dumb bunnies who wrote the Constitution couldn't see how important that is to the general welfare.

Like I said, be serious.