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General McChrystal humiliates Obama administration...again Update inside

Narmer

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For a general, this guy sure loves to be in the limelight. It as last year that he publicly complained that he needed 40k or more troops or the mission would end in a complete failure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/world/asia/23mcchrystal.html?hp

McChrystal Is Summoned to Washington Over Remarks
By DEXTER FILKINS
KABUL, Afghanistan — Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top commander in Afghanistan, was ordered back to Washington on Tuesday after a magazine article portrayed him and his staff as openly contemptuous of some senior members of the Obama administration, the United States ambassador to Afghanistan and senior European officials.

An administration official said Tuesday morning that General McChrystal had been summoned to Washington to meet with President Obama at the White House on Wednesday “to explain to the Pentagon and the commander in chief his quotes in the piece,” which appears in the July 8-22 edition of Rolling Stone. General McChrystal was scheduled to attend a monthly meeting on Afghanistan by teleconference, the official said, but was directed to return to Washington in light of the article.

The article shows General McChrystal or his aides talking in sharply derisive terms about Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.; Ambassador Karl Eikenberry; Richard C. Holbrooke, the special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan; and an unnamed minister in the French government. One of General McChrystal’s aides is quoted as referring to the national security adviser, James L. Jones, as a “clown.”

A senior administration official said Mr. Obama was furious about the article, particularly the suggestion that he was uninterested and unprepared to discuss the Afghanistan war after he took office. The official said that Mr. Biden, who also was criticized in the story, will attend the meeting on Wednesday with the president.

The piece, entitled “The Runaway General,” quotes aides saying General McChrystal was “pretty disappointed” by an Oval Office meeting with Mr. Obama, and that he found the president “uncomfortable and intimidated” during a Pentagon meeting with General McChrystal and several other generals.

The article does not portray any serious policy differences with Mr. Obama, who chose General McChrystal to take charge of a major escalation of American troops and materiel, in hopes of reversing the deteriorating situation here.

Still, the piece seems destined to raise questions about General McChrystal’s judgment, and to spark debate over the wisdom of Mr. Obama’s strategy, at a time when violence in Afghanistan is rising sharply and when several central planks of the strategy appear stalled. Two important American allies, the Dutch and Canadians, have announced plans to pull their combat troops from the country.

In a statement, General McChrystal apologized for his remarks.

“I extend my sincerest apology for this profile,” he said. “It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened. Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard.”

His statement continued: “I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome.”

The article’s author, Michael Hastings, a freelance journalist, appears to have been granted intimate access to General McChrystal’s inner circle. Most of the comments appear to have been uttered during unguarded moments, in places like bars and restaurants where the general and his aides gathered to unwind. The piece is due out Friday.

About Mr. Holbrooke, Mr. Obama’s special envoy to the region, an aide to General McChrystal is quoted saying: “The Boss says he’s like a wounded animal. Holbrooke keeps hearing rumors that he’s going to be fired, so that makes him dangerous.”

On another occasion, General McChrystal is described as reacting with exasperation when he receives an e-mail message from Mr. Holbrooke. “Oh not another e-mail from Holbrooke. I don’t even want to open it.”

The piece describes a conversation in which General McChrystal and an aide talk about Mr. Biden. Mr. Biden is known to have opposed the decision to escalate the war, preferring instead a slimmed-down plan that focusing on containing terrorism.

“Are you asking about Vice President Biden?” General McChrystal jokes.

“Biden?” suggests a top adviser. “Did you say ‘Bite me?’ ”

General McChrystal is also quoted as uttering disdainful remarks about Mr. Eikenberry, the ambassador to Afghanistan, with whom he has had sharp disagreements over the war. Last year, Mr. Eikenberry sent confidential cables to Washington opposing Mr. Obama’s decision to send more troops.

“He’s one that covers his flanks for the history books,” General McChrystal is quoted as saying. “Now, if we fail, they can say, ’I told you so.’ ”

The piece also describes a meeting in which a soldier vents his frustration over General McChrystal’s tightening of the rules over the use of air strikes to kill insurgents. In the article, the soldier tells General McChrystal that he is endangering their lives by forcing them to be too restrained.

Pfc. Jared Pautsch is quoted as telling the general, we should just drop a bomb on the place, using an expletive. “What are we doing here?”

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/22/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html?hpt=T1

Obama 'angry' after reading McChrystal's remarks
By the CNN Wire Staff
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Source: McChrystal would resign if Obama has lost confidence
Obama wants to talk with general before making decision
Gibbs says 'all options are on the table' in deciding McChrystal's fate
Obama 'angry' after reading McChrystal story
(CNN) -- President Barack Obama was "angry" after reading Gen. Stanley McChrystal's remarks about colleagues in a Rolling Stone article, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday.

McChrystal -- the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan -- has been recalled to Washington to explain his actions to the president. He is expected to meet with Obama in the Oval Office on Wednesday, Gibbs said. Gibbs refused to speculate about McChrystal's fate, but told reporters "all options are on the table."

McChrystal is prepared to resign if the president has lost confidence in him, a national security official told CNN. But most of the Pentagon brass hopes he will be upbraided by the commander-in-chief but sent back to continue the mission.

Obama, questioned about McChrystal before a Cabinet meeting Tuesday afternoon, said he had not made a decision.

"I think it's clear that the article in which he and his team appeared showed poor judgment, but I also want to make sure that I talk to him directly before I make that final decision," he said.

The White House will have more to say after Wednesday's meeting, Gibbs said. He noted, however, that McChrystal did not take part in a teleconference Obama had with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and other top officials on Tuesday.

The "magnitude and graveness" of McChrystal's mistake in conducting the interview for the article were "profound," Gibbs said. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said McChrystal had "made a significant mistake and exercised poor judgment."

Several elected officials have strongly criticized McChrystal but deferred to the president on the politically sensitive question of whether the general should keep his position. A couple of key congressmen, however, have openly called for McChrystal's removal.

McChrystal apologized Tuesday for the profile, in which he and his staff appear to mock top civilian officials, including the vice president. Two defense officials said the general fired a press aide over the article, set to appear in Friday's edition of Rolling Stone.

"I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened," McChrystal said in a Pentagon statement. "Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard."

In the profile, writer Michael Hastings writes that McChrystal and his staff had imagined ways of dismissing Vice President Joe Biden with a one-liner as they prepared for a question-and-answer session in Paris, France, in April. The general had grown tired of questions about Biden since earlier dismissing a counterterrorism strategy the vice president had offered.

"'Are you asking about Vice President Biden,' McChrystal says with a laugh. 'Who's that?'"

"'Biden?' suggests a top adviser. 'Did you say: Bite Me?'"

McChrystal does not directly criticize Obama in the article, but Hastings writes that the general and Obama "failed to connect" from the outset. Sources familiar with the meeting said McChrystal thought Obama looked "uncomfortable and intimidated" by the room full of top military officials, according to the article.

Later, McChrystal's first one-on-one meeting with Obama "was a 10-minute photo op," Hastings writes, quoting an adviser to McChrystal. "Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. Here's the guy who's going to run his f---ing war, but he didn't seem very engaged. The Boss (McChrystal) was disappointed."

The article goes on to paint McChrystal as a man who "has managed to piss off almost everyone with a stake in the conflict," including U.S. Ambassador Karl Eikenberry, special representative to Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke and national security adviser Jim Jones. Obama is not named as one of McChrystal's "team of rivals."

Of Eikenberry, who railed against McChrystal's strategy in Afghanistan in a cable leaked to The New York Times in January, the general is quoted as saying, "'Here's one that covers his flank for the history books. Now if we fail, they can say, "I told you so.'"

Hastings writes in the profile that McChrystal has a "special skepticism" for Holbrooke, the official in charge of reintegrating Taliban members into Afghan society and the administration's point man for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"At one point on his trip to Paris, McChrystal checks his BlackBerry, according to the article. 'Oh, not another e-mail from Holbrooke,' he groans. 'I don't even want to open it.' He clicks on the message and reads the salutation out loud, then stuffs the BlackBerry back in his pocket, not bothering to conceal his annoyance.

"'Make sure you don't get any of that on your leg,' an aide jokes, referring to the e-mail."

Both Democrats and Republicans have been strongly critical of McChrystal in the wake of the story. House Appropriations Committee chairman David Obey, D-Wisconsin, called McChrystal the latest in a "long list of reckless, renegade generals who haven't seemed to understand that their role is to implement policy, not design it."

McChrystal is "contemptuous" of civilian authority and has demonstrated "a bull-headed refusal to take other people's judgments into consideration."

Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-North Dakota, became the first member of the Senate Democratic leadership to call for McChrystal to step down, telling CNN that the remarks were "unbelievably inappropriate and just can't be allowed to stand."

Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Carl Levin, D-Michigan, deferred to Obama on the question of a possible McChrystal resignation. He said the controversy was sending a message of "confusion" to troops in the field. I think it has "a negative effect" on the war effort, he said.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, urged a cooling off period before a final decision is rendered on the general. My "impression is that all of us would be best served by just backing off and staying cool and calm and not sort of succumbing to the normal Washington twitter about this for the next 24 hours."

Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Jim Webb of Virginia -- also key senators on defense and foreign policy issues -- were each strongly critical of McChrystal's remarks, but noted that the general's future is a decision for Obama to make.

Karzai weighed in from abroad, urging Obama to keep McChrystal as the U.S. commander in Afghanistan. The government in Kabul believes McChrystal is a man of strong integrity who has a strong understanding of the Afghan people and their culture, Karzai spokesman Waheed Omar said.

A U.S. military official said Tuesday that McChrystal has spoken to Biden, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Adm. Mike Mullen and other officials referenced in the story, including Holbrooke, Eikenberry and Jones.

An official at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul said Eikenberry and McChrystal "are both fully committed" to Obama's Afghan strategy and are working together to implement the plan. "We have seen the article and General McChrystal has already spoken to it," according to a statement from an embassy official, making reference to McChrystal's apology.

"I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome," McChrystal said in the closing to his apology.

Rolling Stone executive editor Eric Bates, however, struck a less optimistic tone during an interview with CNN on Tuesday.

The comments made by McChrystal and other top military aides during the interview were "not off-the-cuff remarks," he said. They "knew what they were doing when they granted the access." The story shows "a deep division" and "war within the administration" over strategy in Afghanistan, he contended.

McChrystal and his staff "became aware" that the Rolling Stone article would be controversial before it was published, Hastings told CNN Tuesday. He said he "got word from (McChrystal's) staff ... that there was some concern" about possible fallout from the story.

Obama tapped McChrystal to head the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan in the spring of 2009 shortly after dismissing Gen. David McKiernan.

CNN's John King, Suzanne Malveaux, Barbara Starr, Dana Bash and Alan Silverleib contributed to this report.


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Bush failed Obama is failing and all the cream puff generals are failing. You don't nation build, you kill motherfuckers until they think they are about to be exterminated and capitulate. Oldest lesson in war and until we relearn these tried and true we will waste men material money and prestige.
 
This prima donna general reminds me of Perez Hilton.

Notice how he turned pussy when asked to elaborate on his interview with Rolling Stone before Congress.
 
The general is right of course, but the wimps in the white house don't want the public hearing such truth so they call him on the carpet and tell him to shut up or else.
 
The general is right of course, but the wimps in the white house don't want the public hearing such truth so they call him on the carpet and tell him to shut up or else.

But he's a general. He has his place. He isn't going to change policy by childishly humiliating those in power. People may come to see him as untrustworthy should he leave the military.
 
But he's a general. He has his place. He isn't going to change policy by childishly humiliating those in power. People may come to see him as untrustworthy should he leave the military.

I'd rather have him speaking the truth than just parroting what the morons in washington tell him to say.
 
The whole military should resign. What good do they do? If we had current leadership we'd still be fighting WWII talking of "winning heart and minds of Germans" instead of ending it in four years.
 
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And Obama is "furious". LOL. I guess his image is more important to him than the actual war. I can't blame him, he's doing what he does best; being a celebrity.
 
Would you say similar things about your boss in a public article???

The point is that the General thought he could make the snarky comments without consequences, in a popular magazine. The public apology is just the General speaking with an egg on his face. It's the same as a troll apologizing for a bad thread.
 
While I may personally agree with the General I don't think it was appropriate to air what he did say.

Now with that being said, it did seems if most of the comments were not made intentionally in an interview, but rather little side remarks here and there. Hell we all do that from time to time about our bosses so that shouldn't be too surprising. I suppose the lesson here is don't let a journalist follow you around everywhere where they may pick up some of your dirty laundry.
 
Would you say similar things about your boss in a public article???
This is the problem. I've no problem with him thinking these things - hell, I agree - but his job is to translate policy into strategy and operations, not to comment publicly on the wisdom of the policy. Publicly humiliating his superiors makes him part of the problem, and if he must do that he should retire and complain to his heart's content.

He's no Petraeus anyway.
 
Afghanistan has been a mess. The RoE are ridiculous. Signaling the US was looking for a way out instead of a way to win was beyond amateurish. Leaving Af'stan tomorrow would be better than staying with the American Nero in charge.
 
The piece also describes a meeting in which a soldier vents his frustration over General McChrystal’s tightening of the rules over the use of air strikes to kill insurgents. In the article, the soldier tells General McChrystal that he is endangering their lives by forcing them to be too restrained.

Pfc. Jared Pautsch is quoted as telling the general, we should just drop a bomb on the place, using an expletive. “What are we doing here?”

I agree. Stop wasting lives and money and send them the f' home. Now!

Your military has figured out they're dying for nothing.
 
The point is that the General thought he could make the snarky comments without consequences, in a popular magazine. The public apology is just the General speaking with an egg on his face. It's the same as a troll apologizing for a bad thread.

He knew exactly who he was talking to and the consequences of his words.
 
Is this the ass Obama is going to attempt to kick?
The next day him and biden are human pretzels.

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The point is that the General thought he could make the snarky comments without consequences, in a popular magazine. The public apology is just the General speaking with an egg on his face. It's the same as a troll apologizing for a bad thread.
in fairness, I don't think that the general is completely out of line for assuming that no one reads Rolling Stone.
 
The sad thing that Obummer is so concerned with with his image, not with the war itself. It's apparently OK that people are dying and the plans don't seem to be working. No need to meet with anyone. Now if a general calls the white house what they are - wimps... that's an outrage. Meet with that general immediately and demand an explanation and apology. Then resume doing nothing.
 
The general is right of course, but the wimps in the white house don't want the public hearing such truth so they call him on the carpet and tell him to shut up or else.

Apparently your hatred of this adminitration extends to excusing a top general maligning the civilian leadership to the press during an ongoing military conflict, which clearly undermines U.S. interests. Partisanship before patriotism.

Whatever the merits, or lack thereof, of McCrystal's comment, he needs to keep his damn mouth shut in front of the press. I am not impressed.

- wolf
 
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