Bingo...
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I so much prefer 'Ditto" It's truer to your source.
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jj, thanks for the exposé. You credit ambition and aspirations as a dead giveaway that a person's to be taken with a grain of salt. I read your goal as the intention to discredit Clark. I'll take it with a grain of salt as I did with Corn and Shiner's, a couple of cheer leaders types who saw their team get panned. Sour grapes and all that stuff. Man, don't we accuse others of what it is we do. "Everybody's a piece of crap because I am." I want to go to the bathroom so I'll lie about where the toilet is. What a bunch of class.
Care to show me where I used the term Mini-Me. Corn. I don't recall it or find it in a search. Maybe you just enjoy putting words in my mouth to insult somebody else because it builds character.
But quite honestly, or at least as you understand the term, me and LR are old friends. We went to clown school together where we learned to make fools of people by allowing them to be themselves. The world is full of what you see, Corn, because it is what you are. In it what is in it, as they say.
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I so much prefer 'Ditto" It's truer to your source.
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jj, thanks for the exposé. You credit ambition and aspirations as a dead giveaway that a person's to be taken with a grain of salt. I read your goal as the intention to discredit Clark. I'll take it with a grain of salt as I did with Corn and Shiner's, a couple of cheer leaders types who saw their team get panned. Sour grapes and all that stuff. Man, don't we accuse others of what it is we do. "Everybody's a piece of crap because I am." I want to go to the bathroom so I'll lie about where the toilet is. What a bunch of class.
Care to show me where I used the term Mini-Me. Corn. I don't recall it or find it in a search. Maybe you just enjoy putting words in my mouth to insult somebody else because it builds character.
But quite honestly, or at least as you understand the term, me and LR are old friends. We went to clown school together where we learned to make fools of people by allowing them to be themselves. The world is full of what you see, Corn, because it is what you are. In it what is in it, as they say.
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Originally posted by: Corn
Are you being serious? You and Moonie borne of the same genetic stock? LOL!
Soooo Lunar, are you the younger brother imitating his older brother to be irritating brat?
Oh the questions I would ask if I didn't already know the answers.
One ear of corn looks much like another... especially after use...
So too with clowns... and one carrying a mirror can reflect humor or can reflect fear... or much in between... depends on what be reflected.. no? Not to worry about questions.... answers abound... Do I irratate? Like a flea or more like and unscratchable itch... or unknown source... if the latter.... look within for the source... if the former... they don't eat much... ignor them.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
jj, thanks for the exposé. You credit ambition and aspirations as a dead giveaway that a person's to be taken with a grain of salt. I read your goal as the intention to discredit Clark. I'll take it with a grain of salt as I did with Corn and Shiner's, a couple of cheer leaders types who saw their team get panned. Sour grapes and all that stuff. Man, don't we accuse others of what it is we do. "Everybody's a piece of crap because I am." I want to go to the bathroom so I'll lie about where the toilet is. What a bunch of class.
What expose? Quit trying to read your inanities into my post. I have no intent to discredit Clark, he's quite capable of doing that all by himself as are the rest of his ilk. As for taking a crap, suit yourself, just don't do it on my lawn.
Edit: And BTW, defender of Clark's integrity that you are, you completely ignored the most important point of my post: "His statement is very conveniently, wonderfully ambiguous, almost the perfect political ambush."
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
jj, thanks for the exposé. You credit ambition and aspirations as a dead giveaway that a person's to be taken with a grain of salt. I read your goal as the intention to discredit Clark. I'll take it with a grain of salt as I did with Corn and Shiner's, a couple of cheer leaders types who saw their team get panned. Sour grapes and all that stuff. Man, don't we accuse others of what it is we do. "Everybody's a piece of crap because I am." I want to go to the bathroom so I'll lie about where the toilet is. What a bunch of class.
What expose? Quit trying to read your inanities into my post. I have no intent to discredit Clark, he's quite capable of doing that all by himself as are the rest of his ilk. As for taking a crap, suit yourself, just don't do it on my lawn.
Edit: And BTW, defender of Clark's integrity that you are, you completely ignored the most important point of my post: "His statement is very conveniently, wonderfully ambiguous, almost the perfect political ambush."
On your lawn? I said class not grass.
And I didn't completely ignore the most important point of your post: "His statement is very conveniently, wonderfully ambiguous, almost the perfect political ambush." I missed your point all together. That's way way too deep for me. LR can perhaps help you though, he's made a specialty, I think, of such things.
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Originally posted by: Corn
Hmm, old friends or related by blood. Whatever, it's tough being right all the time, but it is my cross to bear.
Interesting you mentioned blood...You must know then... amongst the blood of many the banks of Boyne gave up two to never let again occur such a travesty.. It was your cousin Billy the Orange who came... and now in eerie mood we come back armed with mirror and scythe which will you heed...?
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MB,
jj in part said... "As for the phone call for which this thread originated, it is interesting but in the light of his aspirations, I'll take it with a huge grain of salt. His statement is very conveniently, wonderfully ambiguous, almost the perfect political ambush. I'd be interested in seeing if he'll ever have opportunity to provide details. "
I pictured a grain of salt equal in size to Bush's lie. So huge in fact, that brine would not survive its presence.. If he made the statement for political fodder it was mis guided... so other associate should have said..." X and other called a very highly respected individual and said... " then go on to create the image piece by careful piece... this is how it is done... slowly.... and carefully... if a piece falls down... evaluate... never name the general... if the issue becomes untenable... then it just drops... if Congress has the fellow testify he falls on the sword... but, never does he name Clark... this is how the game is played..
jj in part said... "As for the phone call for which this thread originated, it is interesting but in the light of his aspirations, I'll take it with a huge grain of salt. His statement is very conveniently, wonderfully ambiguous, almost the perfect political ambush. I'd be interested in seeing if he'll ever have opportunity to provide details. "
I pictured a grain of salt equal in size to Bush's lie. So huge in fact, that brine would not survive its presence.. If he made the statement for political fodder it was mis guided... so other associate should have said..." X and other called a very highly respected individual and said... " then go on to create the image piece by careful piece... this is how it is done... slowly.... and carefully... if a piece falls down... evaluate... never name the general... if the issue becomes untenable... then it just drops... if Congress has the fellow testify he falls on the sword... but, never does he name Clark... this is how the game is played..
Well, I didn't think you or Jr. would have anything cogent worth sharing. Enough dallying with the infants, I need to raise my level of conversation. I'm off to play with my 2 year old daughter.
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JJ
You don't believe all the political crap that goes on is spur of the moment stuff... do you? Every possible move is played out... just like a movie with a zillion attack scenarios for every defense for every counter... and etc.. The 'handlers' are there to deal with all the issues as they pop up...
Maybe the phone calls were to set up the General... maybe they wanted him to be discredited or something... I don't know the motive nor the truth.. I do know that what Clark did is not what is done by a "player"... it just ain't done like that. Clark said he got calls... assume he did... what was the motive of the callers? Why callers? Why did Clark say what he said about the calls? What are the possible moves to all this? Don't just blindly accept nor not accept something like this... it is a move by someone for some purpose... the purpose we from either side can debate and come to some conclusion... Now assume Clark did not get the calls... why did he say he did then? Is he stupid? Who benefits? This side too can be played out...
Every Word uttered by these folks have been developed, tested, and rehearsed. Some are quicker than others... some are smarter then others... the smartest folks around work in DC when it comes to dealing with these and other reelection or election stratagies... The overall AGENDA will not change... in theme... events may change sequence or timing but that is all..
You don't believe all the political crap that goes on is spur of the moment stuff... do you? Every possible move is played out... just like a movie with a zillion attack scenarios for every defense for every counter... and etc.. The 'handlers' are there to deal with all the issues as they pop up...
Maybe the phone calls were to set up the General... maybe they wanted him to be discredited or something... I don't know the motive nor the truth.. I do know that what Clark did is not what is done by a "player"... it just ain't done like that. Clark said he got calls... assume he did... what was the motive of the callers? Why callers? Why did Clark say what he said about the calls? What are the possible moves to all this? Don't just blindly accept nor not accept something like this... it is a move by someone for some purpose... the purpose we from either side can debate and come to some conclusion... Now assume Clark did not get the calls... why did he say he did then? Is he stupid? Who benefits? This side too can be played out...
Every Word uttered by these folks have been developed, tested, and rehearsed. Some are quicker than others... some are smarter then others... the smartest folks around work in DC when it comes to dealing with these and other reelection or election stratagies... The overall AGENDA will not change... in theme... events may change sequence or timing but that is all..
Now why did jj imply we had less maturity than a two year old, LR? Lets hope he had an adjenda so we can take him with a grain of salt.
Thanks for the lesson in Political Rhetoric 101. Are you having trouble discerning the meaning of my posts? That is exactly what I stated, almost nothing slips out of the mouth of pols that isn't tied to elections in one way or another. I assume Clark may have gotten a call or two. Why would I have reason to disbelieve that? And there may be some truth to what he said, or maybe not. What I stated is that, just like any pol, he was conveniently ambiguous about details, leaving the audience to infer what they will. A typical politcal manoeuvre.
What you and Papa Beam keep professing is that we take these calls at face value, something you later chide me about as in your post quoted above, or, more laughably, that Clark is being set up.
As for condescending behavior, you and your mentor live much too close to that glass house to be tossing any stones.
Edit: And as I stated earlier, I don't care about Clark one way or another. But just because he says something provocative, I'm not about to go off on a wild goose chase. If he was a stand up guy, he would be forthcoming about his comments instead of leaving it at sly interpretation. He's just another pol and I allow about zero faith in anything any of them say.
And as I stated earlier, I don't care about Clark one way or another. But just because he says something provocative, I'm not about to go off on a wild goose chase. If he was a stand up guy, he would be forthcoming about his comments instead of leaving it at sly interpretation. He's just another pol and I allow about zero faith in anything any of them say.
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Yeah but the Link is about why the press isn't covering the Clark remark. The point, I think, is selective vision in the press. Why hasn't the press gone after the details of this story? Why doesn't somebody force his hand? Always it's the person not the issue with the personality assassins.
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Yeah but the Link is about why the press isn't covering the Clark remark. The point, I think, is selective vision in the press. Why hasn't the press gone after the details of this story? Why doesn't somebody force his hand? Always it's the person not the issue with the personality assassins.
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Originally posted by: Corn
Speaking of condescending remarks........
Good thing, otherwise I would have a hard time scarfing down a bowl of fresh babies each morning for breakfast, a Republican delicacy.
Farmer Corn..
As a citizen of these here United States... I have to support freedom first and religion second or later... As King of my Castle... at least high on the totem pole... well at least on the pole... or near the foundation of the pole.. I don't believe abortion to be an option to normal pregnancy.... I'm in the wrong thread again... Corn u copia.... you say babies... and see what happens... Sorry Moonie for the digression.
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Oh my god stop the presses!!! A political wannabe levied an undocumented accusation at his political opponents after being made a fool of on national TV because of his slightly off the mark commentary regarding the tactics employed by his successors, who just happen to be employed by the target of his accusation. Why this deserves front page coverage in every periodical!!!! Obviously Bush controls the media, because there is never anything reported in the media other than glowing praise for his administration and policies.......
They also recieved money from Iraq's intel agency, as reported by the Iraqi Daily News, and they have other ties here among others.
Seems Hamas and Hezbollah are playing with AQ now along with the others.....
Anyone who doesn't see all the terrorist activity in Iraq, including Saddam's unabashed support is quite frankly a fool.....
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JJones,
Quote:
Thanks for the lesson in Political Rhetoric 101. Are you having trouble discerning the meaning of my posts? That is exactly what I stated, almost nothing slips out of the mouth of pols that isn't tied to elections in one way or another. I assume Clark may have gotten a call or two. Why would I have reason to disbelieve that? And there may be some truth to what he said, or maybe not. What I stated is that, just like any pol, he was conveniently ambiguous about details, leaving the audience to infer what they will. A typical politcal manoeuvre.
What you and Papa Beam keep professing is that we take these calls at face value, something you later chide me about as in your post quoted above, or, more laughably, that Clark is being set up.
(I find it very interesting that folks who hold sway in their homes or offices or workplace have the darndest time responding to another with out some form of PeePee measuring objective included, don't you?) (Not being among that data set I am free to presume all or nothing and respond accordingly... IF someone posts opinion one is asked for proof... if one post the opinion of another one is sadled with that opinion writer's underware.. A debate is about logic... premise and the link and subjective intertwined with the objective... in a friendly manner..)
My point was, is and will be, the same!.... Deal with the message!... trying to cut down the messenger is nice but it is the message that is in focus... we've gotten off track and seem to always do.. for the same simple reason... trying to justify a point and then the justification becomes the issue.
As for condescending behavior, you and your mentor live much too close to that glass house to be tossing any stones.
(I don't suppose it matters much but, I don't think I chop at you-all until well after a number of recurring attacks come my way and even then I don't swing hard... or with venom... I could I suppose but, I prefer humor to anger... don't you?)
The response to this will be.... "well stop posting insane misguided blabber and we'll stop asking you to stop." I would respond to that with... "From where I sit... The postings I respond to that contain what I read as blabber get a reasoned blabber in response" So... at the end of the day... all like minded folks read as they do and nary a thing will change... Being mean does not make one right... just mean...
Edit: And as I stated earlier, I don't care about Clark one way or another. But just because he says something provocative, I'm not about to go off on a wild goose chase. If he was a stand up guy, he would be forthcoming about his comments instead of leaving it at sly interpretation. He's just another pol and I allow about zero faith in anything any of them say.
Unless you have sight of the goose... I'd not chase it either... The only thing lacking in the "Clark Calls" that he can provide is the 'who are the callers' and perhaps a more definite content.. then all the important folks will tear it apart.. (lesson in construction 563... a swing grad course.. comes as a lab to polysci 630) and what results should be amazing... Just an opinion...
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Thanks for the lesson in Political Rhetoric 101. Are you having trouble discerning the meaning of my posts? That is exactly what I stated, almost nothing slips out of the mouth of pols that isn't tied to elections in one way or another. I assume Clark may have gotten a call or two. Why would I have reason to disbelieve that? And there may be some truth to what he said, or maybe not. What I stated is that, just like any pol, he was conveniently ambiguous about details, leaving the audience to infer what they will. A typical politcal manoeuvre.
What you and Papa Beam keep professing is that we take these calls at face value, something you later chide me about as in your post quoted above, or, more laughably, that Clark is being set up.
(I find it very interesting that folks who hold sway in their homes or offices or workplace have the darndest time responding to another with out some form of PeePee measuring objective included, don't you?) (Not being among that data set I am free to presume all or nothing and respond accordingly... IF someone posts opinion one is asked for proof... if one post the opinion of another one is sadled with that opinion writer's underware.. A debate is about logic... premise and the link and subjective intertwined with the objective... in a friendly manner..)
My point was, is and will be, the same!.... Deal with the message!... trying to cut down the messenger is nice but it is the message that is in focus... we've gotten off track and seem to always do.. for the same simple reason... trying to justify a point and then the justification becomes the issue.
As for condescending behavior, you and your mentor live much too close to that glass house to be tossing any stones.
(I don't suppose it matters much but, I don't think I chop at you-all until well after a number of recurring attacks come my way and even then I don't swing hard... or with venom... I could I suppose but, I prefer humor to anger... don't you?)
The response to this will be.... "well stop posting insane misguided blabber and we'll stop asking you to stop." I would respond to that with... "From where I sit... The postings I respond to that contain what I read as blabber get a reasoned blabber in response" So... at the end of the day... all like minded folks read as they do and nary a thing will change... Being mean does not make one right... just mean...
Edit: And as I stated earlier, I don't care about Clark one way or another. But just because he says something provocative, I'm not about to go off on a wild goose chase. If he was a stand up guy, he would be forthcoming about his comments instead of leaving it at sly interpretation. He's just another pol and I allow about zero faith in anything any of them say.
Unless you have sight of the goose... I'd not chase it either... The only thing lacking in the "Clark Calls" that he can provide is the 'who are the callers' and perhaps a more definite content.. then all the important folks will tear it apart.. (lesson in construction 563... a swing grad course.. comes as a lab to polysci 630) and what results should be amazing... Just an opinion...
So he never said who it was that made this call? Has it ever been determined he actually recieved a call?
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I thought I was in the other thread that was on about abortions... and... the point is.... As a Christian and a Citizen I find it easy to say it is ok to legislate abortions as long as I am free to believe as I do... for anyone to force ME to act contrary to my belief is repugnant... how you view it should be for you to decide and your view should not extend to your neighbors farm...
We do not know who these unnamed sources, so until names are named this only amounts to rumor. In the hours, days after following 9/11 I would expect the military to develop contigency plans for any and all nations that might have been involved in the attack. This is the job of the military, so dont act to surprised.[/quote]
especially considering what is known about AQ operating in Iraq along with other sympatetic terrorist groups.....
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