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General Blames Gays for Bosnian Genocide

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Indeed this is the case. You are very right. I will expand the text for you.

The dutch army troopers called dutchbat where there to observe and guide. They where deliberately send with few troopers and light arms and not with proper equipped tanks and any other heavy artillery to not provoke the Bosnic Serbs and the bosnic muslims into a fight (UN mandate). The UN mandate was that the dutch would not intervene themselves, but ask for reinforcement. Dutchbat was not allowed according to later UN instructions to fire at the Bosnic Serbs. Now this is strange, because the mandate seemed to specify that when attacked , all means of force where allowed. Now why did dutchbat later get the order that they should not fire at the Bosnic Serbs ? Anyway, Dutchbat followed orders and in the army that is what you do, you have to follow orders. These orders came from the UN.
Dutchbat had asked for reinforcement but was indeed denied. The Bosnic Serbs could have their way and Dutchbat was not allowed to fight back and protect the Bosnic muslims even if they wanted too. If they would have engaged into a fight with the Bosnic Serbs they would have lost because they where few in number and only carried light arms. If they would have survived, they would have been brought to court for disobeying orders.
The dutch have been sold out.

This is the view that ignores relevant facts to paint the Dutch as poor victims rather than perpetrators. If they were victims, why were they so hated by the Dutch public when they returned? The commander had to flee to Spain. They were cowards and complicit in genocide.

Your story completely ignores reports that state the Dutch were complicit in genocide. Dutch soldiers aided in the massacre and celebrated with the killers.

It was a sad day for a small country that history wise will help to bring and keep the peace but will not go to war them selves.
It is a sad day for the whole world when a pathetic and small country is allowed to pretend that it did not aid the genocide. I also don't understand how you can say that the Dutch keep peace. They were enemies of peace.

The Netherlands have always been open to foreigners and as such welcomed liberal and moderate modern moslims, this gave The Netherlands a lot of goodwill. You know what i mean ? I think it smells fishy. Also because the Bosnic Serb Ratko Mladić did not share ay information about his intentions. It was expected that he would enforce genocide but nobody in the dutch government or the UN listened to the warnings of the dutch military intelligence service.
I don't know what you mean. The Netherlands are on a far-right binge.

Ask yourself if the part of the american public with these short sighted opinions get to see the same news we do. Wise People compare the news occasionally from abroad with the local news. But not all people are wise.
You cannot blame them... They do not know any better...

Besides, the general just wants to make money.
You should ask yourself if you're getting news filtered by nationalistic and racist policies. Wise people would bypass news under such governmental and patriotic pressures. If you did that, then you would realize the Dutch actions to promote the genocide and would be outraged that such a pathetic country is allowed to control itself!
 
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This is the view that ignores relevant facts to paint the Dutch as poor victims rather than perpetrators. If they were victims, why were they so hated by the Dutch public when they returned? The commander had to flee to Spain. They were cowards and complicit in genocide.
They are not victims, they where send as soldiers. And soldiers follow orders do not go against rules. If anybody is responsible, it is the strategic command in these issues. When the soldiers show intolerable behaviour like for example raping women, they should be trialled and in mine opinion any soldier anywhere shoot be shot when showing that kind of behaviour. Respect is the important word here.

Your story completely ignores reports that state the Dutch were complicit in genocide. Dutch soldiers aided in the massacre and celebrated with the killers.
And you fail to see that it is very obvious that Ratko Mladić had no intention to letting these people live, and the responsible UN secretary would have known this. Yet the UN sends a small group of light armed soldiers to take on the Bosnic Serb army. While giving them a mandate not to fight the Bosnic Serbs but call in for reinforcements. Reinforcements that never came.
Besides, the english wikipedia page about Srebrenica is wrong and misleading.

It is a sad day for the whole world when a pathetic and small country is allowed to pretend that it did not aid the genocide. I also don't understand how you can say that the Dutch keep peace. They were enemies of peace.
Now i see you are what is called a troll. This will be my last post answering your ridicules thoughts.

I don't know what you mean. The Netherlands are on a far-right binge.
That is why i know you only read biased news or, you are biased yourself.
People get along just fine in the Netherlands. But as always it is small groups of uneducated people that cause havoc fore everybody. Ethnic background is not relevant here because these groups can be found under all nationalities in Holland including natives. These troublemakers are no different then hooligans. They look for trouble and do not care about other people.
These people just use race or ethnic or religious differences to start a fire.
Part of the people in these groups have psychological problems and should be treated accordingly. Besides there is nothing wrong with a little balance. You mean Geert Wilders. But Geert Wilders is when you look at the whole situation from a distance just a part of a political chess. Because Holland has multiple electable parties. Because of Geert Wilders, The modern educated muslims in Holland who have never committed a crime and always work, but never firmly and actively spoke against violence caused by religious hooligans and troublemakers... They are more and more speaking out together with the educated christians and atheists against religious hate. Because they see how good it is in the Netherlands and why this is. Because we have a freedom for everybody as long as everybody is willing to share and work. That is be social towards one and other. I know you cannot understand that because you, like most some of those other simpleminded Americans can not get it through your head that communism and socialism is not the same. If you take care of eachother you have the right to correct eachother. One hand washes the other. Unfortunately, a large growing part of the Netherlands population, is free market brainwashed and turning into crazy left people kicking against every form of government controle while they are proponents of legalization of any kind of drugs. A pattern as always emerges...


You should ask yourself if you're getting news filtered by nationalistic and racist policies. Wise people would bypass news under such governmental and patriotic pressures. If you did that, then you would realize the Dutch actions to promote the genocide and would be outraged that such a pathetic country is allowed to control itself!
Your feeble attempts to get me emotional are not working. I have history on my side.
 
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They are not victims, they where send as soldiers. And soldiers follow orders do not go against rules. If anybody is responsible, it is the strategic command in these issues. When the soldiers show intolerable behaviour like for example raping women, they should be trialled and in mine opinion any soldier anywhere shoot be shot when showing that kind of behaviour. Respect is the important word here.

The Dutch government's commissioned report stated that they were complicit in the massacre. Survivors of the genocide saw Dutch soldiers give their uniforms to the killers. Dutch soldiers helped process people for death. The Dutch commander was also photographed celebrating a toast with Mladic.

Those are against the rules of basic human decency. Respect is important, but the Dutch soldiers failed to show any. They turned into monsters. The subsequent Dutch coverup and collective amnesia, one you seem to be participating in, is also hideous.

And you fail to see that it is very obvious that Ratko Mladić had no intention to letting these people live, and the responsible UN secretary would have known this. Yet the UN sends a small group of light armed soldiers to take on the Bosnic Serb army. While giving them a mandate not to fight the Bosnic Serbs but call in for reinforcements. Reinforcements that never came.

It seems obvious to me that the Dutch soldiers also had no intention of letting the people live. Their primary goal wasn't even to protect the people, but gain a prestigious assignment for their worthless soldiers.

Besides, the english wikipedia page about Srebrenica is wrong and misleading.

Nobody has quoted wikipedia here.

Now i see you are what is called a troll. This will be my last post answering your ridicules thoughts.

I see what you are now. You are a far-right supremacist nationalist troll.

That is why i know you only read biased news or, you are biased yourself.

Considering that you don't even know the facts of Srebrenica, don't know about the Dutch complicity in the event, how Dutch soldiers helped separate victims and organized them for death, etc. it seems that you're the one who only reads biased news.

I've provided links to news sources around the world. You've posted nationalistic vomit.

People get along just fine in the Netherlands. But as always it is small groups of uneducated people that cause havoc fore everybody. Ethnic background is not relevant here because these groups can be found under all nationalities in Holland including natives. These troublemakers are no different then hooligans. They look for trouble and do not care about other people.
These people just use race or ethnic or religious differences to start a fire.
Part of the people in these groups have psychological problems and should be treated accordingly. Besides there is nothing wrong with a little balance. You mean Geert Wilders. But Geert Wilders is when you look at the whole situation from a distance just a part of a political chess. Because Holland has multiple electable parties. Because of Geert Wilders, The modern educated muslims in Holland who have never committed a crime and always work, but never firmly and actively spoke against violence caused by religious hooligans and troublemakers... They are more and more speaking out together with the educated christians and atheists against religious hate. Because they see how good it is in the Netherlands and why this is. Because we have a freedom for everybody as long as everybody is willing to share and work. That is be social towards one and other. I know you cannot understand that because you, like most some of those other simpleminded Americans can not get it through your head that communism and socialism is not the same. If you take care of eachother you have the right to correct eachother. One hand washes the other. Unfortunately, a large growing part of the Netherlands population, is free market brainwashed and turning into crazy left people kicking against every form of government controle while they are proponents of legalization of any kind of drugs. A pattern as always emerges...

Hahahaha, a champion of Geert Wilders. Now I understand. His followers believe that those massacred in Srebrenica are not humans. That must be why you ignore the Dutch complicity in the genocide - those humans are the equivalent of cockroaches to you and your political master.

Your master is one of the most dangerous men in the world.

Your feeble attempts to get me emotional are not working. I have history on my side.

History shows that the Dutch are weak. I don't understand how it's on your side. It's on the side of good. Geert Wilders may start WW3, but history shows that people of his ideology eventually lose.

History also shows that European attempts at revising history also fails. See Belgium and King Leopold's Ghost, UK and the several books on the British Empire, Germany and the Herero, etc. The outside world studies your history and will write about it.
 
Only some flag waving moronic Dutch patriot wouldn't recognize the Dutch failures here. Hell, their actions in this event spawned a whole area of legal research and study for reparations. The Dutch acted in despicable ways. They should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Only some flag waving moronic Dutch patriot wouldn't recognize the Dutch failures here. Hell, their actions in this event spawned a whole area of legal research and study for reparations. The Dutch acted in despicable ways. They should be ashamed of themselves.

If you mean me, i never waved a flag in my life for any country and i am not planning too either for i have my reasons. But it is pretty obvious you belong to the group with bad memory. Besides, even and i mean this purely hypothetically. Even if it was true, every country has it dirty laundry. The Netherlands is no exception when it comes to dirty laundry. But i do think it is fair to give all the facts and not just some newsworthy version. And the facts i know i delivered. Deal with it. Was it a shameful massacre, yes. But it is not just the soldiers to blame there. It was very bad strategic planning of the UN. If they would have done research on the history of formal Yugoslavia , they would have known it would never end peacefully and easy.
A good example is Iraq. You think after Saddam, the people would work together to build up a free and happy Iraq. Afcourse not... When people know only pain and suffering for a few generations in a row, they become like it. I wonder if it is epigenetics though...
 
Oh well, at the rate that Dutch society is going, the world will probably have to intervene to prevent a genocide going on there. Of course, when they commit it and other people talk about it, it's just because they have a 'bad memory.'
 
Oh well, at the rate that Dutch society is going, the world will probably have to intervene to prevent a genocide going on there. Of course, when they commit it and other people talk about it, it's just because they have a 'bad memory.'

At what rate is the dutch society going ?
I am curious how other foreigners perceive it ?
 
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If you mean me, i never waved a flag in my life for any country and i am not planning too either for i have my reasons. But it is pretty obvious you belong to the group with bad memory. Besides, even and i mean this purely hypothetically. Even if it was true, every country has it dirty laundry. The Netherlands is no exception when it comes to dirty laundry. But i do think it is fair to give all the facts and not just some newsworthy version. And the facts i know i delivered. Deal with it. Was it a shameful massacre, yes. But it is not just the soldiers to blame there. It was very bad strategic planning of the UN. If they would have done research on the history of formal Yugoslavia , they would have known it would never end peacefully and easy.
A good example is Iraq. You think after Saddam, the people would work together to build up a free and happy Iraq. Afcourse not... When people know only pain and suffering for a few generations in a row, they become like it. I wonder if it is epigenetics though...

Ah, the classic "look there, somebody else is doing something bad" technique. It's quite popular among European supremacists.

Your opinions are not facts. You have posted no links to anything to back anything you have vomited out of your mouth.

However, I have posted links that include the report commissioned by the Dutch themselves, via the Netherlands Institute for War Documentation and issued in The Hague that stated that the soldiers' act of collusion in handing over the refugees was "tantamount to collaborating with ethnic cleansing."

I've posted links to pictures of the Dutch commander celebrating with Mladic, statements from survivors of the genocide, etc.

Accept history. It is what it is. Denying it only opens you up to further far-right tendencies.
 
It's going towards massive intolerance, hate, and eventual genocide covered by self denial. Dutch people can't really understand this though because most of them are too patriotic to understand.
 
It's going towards massive intolerance, hate, and eventual genocide covered by self denial. Dutch people can't really understand this though because most of them are too patriotic to understand.

I happen to know the Netherlands pretty well. You are insane or you really do not know the Netherlands very well. The mixture here is quite friendly. That a person as Geert Wilders has won votes, is simply what is called a protest vote. Something that is quite common in countries with multiple electable parties(This means more then 2, think like 10 or as many as you like). A significant part of the votes Geert Wilders received where from non islamic foreigners... How about that. Why because none of the more common parties are willing to strike with hard measures against the people who causes trouble. I have written about those hooligan alike people in my other post. They are low educated, have criminal records and feel they can do anything. They are out of control, will use racism or religious speeches while most of them never have read the quran and some live for generations in the Netherlands.

The common (multi ethnic) working class people are tired of not feeling save on the streets . Geert Wilders promises safety and thus the people vote for him while knowning his virgin state of service. The funny part is that the other parties realize this and become more determined to act out. Thus the people will vote for the more common parties again in the near future.

Another part of the problem is a culture barrier between uneducated but honest 1st generation traditional muslims and their children who want to live a more modern and western life. And that is not easy causing frequent clashing. But already we see more and more stabilization of the matter.

Another positive side effect of the election of Geert Wilders in some counties is that the more modern and moderate muslim people are finally starting a dialogue with non muslims, agreeing on many issues. Much of the moderate muslims are now actively speaking out against terrorism because that has nothing to do with them. Much of them because of the dialogue identify themselves more with non muslims in the sense that we are all people and want the best for our children, that is peace, safety and a future. Differences are becoming non existent. And there is a growing awareness that the people who try to create hate must be act hard against with.
There is unification going on. But with many different people it is not easy.

No the real problem for the Netherlands now and in the foreseeable future is that education gets more expensive and to much hormone driven youth want a job but cannot find one. Add very bad influence of music channels and it is obvious. The education system is weakened because of cuts in the budgets for the educational system for decades and the effects are noticeable. Too much young people in one class. Too much burden on the teachers. No control. The dutch educational system is going down the drain. There has been warned for this for decades. People are more busy with their work instead of their children. The politicians do not want to listen. Thus the people vote for Geert Wilders. It all comes back to the same point. If the people are not happy they will protest vote. If they see that someone like Geert Wilders is all talk and no walk, they start too look back if the other parties got the message. It has always has been like this and will stay that way. However , if the other parties still do not see it. Geert Wilders might just get another chance. Until the so called experienced politicians get the message.
 
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Well, with support of people such as yourself, it's only a matter of time until Geert Wilders and his ilk come into total power and commit genocide. The rest of the world will have to clean up another freaking European mess yet again. Sigh...
 
Well, with support of people such as yourself, it's only a matter of time until Geert Wilders and his ilk come into total power and commit genocide. The rest of the world will have to clean up another freaking European mess yet again. Sigh...

I think you are a bit strange. Anyway, i will make you happy and reveal i never voted for Geert Wilder. I did not feel my vote for him was needed. I predicted he would get enough momentum already and i was right. Balance of power is what it is all about. He must first learn that there are more perspectives. If he cannot do that, i do not want him in the government. And i am not alone. Besides, life is not that simple. If there are difficulties between different ethnic groups, there are always multiple reasons.
 
What was the particular portion you disliked?

War is hell, and the balkans have been under nearly perpetual suffering and war in the scheme of things.

Belgrade has been razed I don't know how many times over the centuries. The history of the region reads like a long tragedy.
 
What was the particular portion you disliked?

War is hell, and the balkans have been under nearly perpetual suffering and war in the scheme of things.

Belgrade has been razed I don't know how many times over the centuries. The history of the region reads like a long tragedy.

I have almost read it true to do a compare with my own literature, the literature on which i base my comments in this thread but is in my native language.

I have to take it with a grain of salt i know, but i find for example the raping as a means to be forcing the muslims out disturbing. I remember it from the past but i was at the time busy with studying to get to much distracted about every detail about the war in Yugoslavia.

Especially if i read that some UN troops have visited these brothels where the serbs kept the bosnian muslim woman hostage as well. It does not explicitly state that the UN troops where having sex with these women but it makes one wonder...

But you are very right, i have tried to explain this to the other posters that a quick fix was impossible there. Just as it will be in Iraq. There is a reason why dictators have to behave like dictators. When they become to democratic and friendly the fighting starts again. That is why we in the west should be thanking each other that we treasure freedom , being social and education so much.
 
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I almost forgot about this thread. I was right about what would happen in Iraq. But the more important thing for this thtread is that the un at the time had promised air support but it never came when requested. Since some time, documents have been released from the Clinton administration. Some of those documents state that unprofor airsupport was put on hold at request of the British and the French. The decision was taken by the clinton administration and the Dutch government was never informed. Why was the air support put on hold ? Because the Serbs had taken British and French soldier as hostages and placed them at strategic points so that when air support would happen unprofor soldiers would have fallen victim. The dutchbat soldiers did not have heavy equipment and relied on the promised air support that never came.
 
Also, us generals warned about the upcoming genocide but were ignored. It was known at the time by the balkan task force. An interagency of the CIA and more.
 
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You can find several documents here :


http://www.foia.cia.gov/collection/bosnia-intelligence-and-clinton-presidency?page=19

I made a mistake, the general i mentioned who warned upfront what would happen eventually, is actually former General Rupert Smith from England.

You can read it here :

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/1817859/1995-05-09.pdf


And in this document on page 5, the following text :

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB171/ch01.pdf

At this rare Sunday, May 28 Principals Committee meeting, officials decided to suspend "quietly" the use of air strikes against the Serbs for the foreseeable future, as UN peacekeepers were just to vulnerable to Serb retaliation. This was a position supported by Chirac as well as Mayor (As both expressed to the president before). However, they did not rule out future strikes.

The only air support came from 2 Dutch F16 fighters who were asked to stop attacking and return after the Serbs threatened to kill of the dutchbat soldiers.
 
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